GVWR Question

[HookMeUp]

Looking at the tag inside the door for the GVWR it states 8800lbs. Looking at the axle ratings the front states 5200lbs. and the rear states 6084lbs. whichs adds up to 11284lbs. So why is the GVWR only 8800lbs?

 

[RJOL]

Looking at the tag inside the door for the GVWR it states 8800lbs. Looking at the axle ratings the front states 5200lbs. and the rear states 6084lbs. whichs adds up to 11284lbs. So why is the GVWR only 8800lbs?

Because the axle ratings you are quoting are the "max load" for each axle. I don't know how you could ever load 6084 over the rear axle and not be over the GVWR or 8800lbs. If you weigh your empty 2500 I think you will be surprised how little pay load capacity you actually have... -

 

[HookMeUp]

I've scaled it before, and yes I was disappointed. 7400lbs with driver, passenger and a full tank. Which only leaves 1400lbs payload. I have put 2500lbs of gravel in the bed and have had no problems, wasn't even down to the overloads.



reason I'm asking the question is that we are looking at a 5'er that has GRWR of 12k and a pin weight of 1800lbs unloaded.

 

[SnoKing]

You will be overloaded like a lot of us. DC sold the truck with stock springs and 245 tires at 8800 GVWR, and with the Camper Package (overloads and sway bar) and 265 tires with the same 8800 GVWR. Washington State licensed mine at 12K, as it must be 1. 5 times tare weight rounded to the next highest even K. So, I do not worry about it. Tow a 29' Cardinal that grosses at around 12K and I have up to 2500 lbs of pin weight when load heavy. More when rear fresh water tank in empty. The camper package and 265's are the SRW 3500's for those years, DC just screwed up the paper work!!!!!!





Oo. :-{} #@$%!



SNOKING

 

[Boondocker]

I don't know Dodge's magic formula for calculating weight ratings is, but I can guarentee you that for any manufacturer, it is more than simply the sum of the axle ratings. You have consider axles, tires, suspension, frame, engine power and drivetrain, and the all-important brakes. Consider too that supporting a load while the vehicle is in operation is not a static condition. Hopefully there are some serious physics calculations involved regarding the dynamics of a loaded vehicle in motion.



There are people who take factory weight ratings as gospel and get irate at those who exceed them, as if being under gross makes you safe. At full load, I'm a few hundred pounds over. I know this because I care enough to weigh my rig, and I inspect and maintain all of the above-listed components in the interest of safety. Maybe some day I'll get a bigger truck or a smaller trailer. Every little bit helps, but the biggest margin of safety is between your ears.



Neil

 

[RJOL]

Dodge under rates all trucks, just to be safe... The axles are under rated... The brakes are under rated... The load range E tires (3200 lbs) are under rated... The springs are under rated... I can tow anything, and carry any load... #ad

 

[McCRam]

With my 97 k1500 gmc, I could carry nearly the same weight as my dodge. 1600 vs 1750. 1500 lbs in the gmc was nerve racking. 2000 lbs in my Dodge is no big deal. The weight rating on these trucks doesn't make any sence to me.

 

[GLuttmer]

I pull a 36-foot, triple slide 5th wheel across the prairies and through the mountains. One additional concern that I have, other than the ones listed above, is that some insurance companies are now looking harder and harder at ways to get out of paying liability claims. And one of the things they're starting to look at is whether the unit that was involved in an aaccident was overloaded. The more of these that they find, the more they will look - and we'll all wind up paying the price one way or another. With the variety of trucks out there, it's really not that hard to stay legal weight-wise.

 

[J&LRam]

I've scaled it before, and yes I was disappointed. 7400lbs with driver, passenger and a full tank. Which only leaves 1400lbs payload. I have put 2500lbs of gravel in the bed and have had no problems, wasn't even down to the overloads.



reason I'm asking the question is that we are looking at a 5'er that has GRWR of 12k and a pin weight of 1800lbs unloaded.

the trucks GVWR is a recommendation from Dodge as our states set the legal GVWR for our trucks. My state has a uprate GVWR weight rates for 2500 trucks up to 15000 lbs. Your insurance company insures your truck per legal weights that your truck is registered/tagged/sticker/title at.

Stay within your trucks RAWR [6000+ lbs] when picking a 5er or GN trailer. Our stock 2500 truck rear weighs around 2800 lb approx which leaves approx 3200 for a payload. LEOs/DOT don't hassel RVs unless your truck has a DOT number or says for commercial use or some type of business name. I have been checked twice with a RV in a road stop point checking DLs and insurance varifications [everyone stops]. The DOT guy that was with the trooper had me pull the rear tires on a small portable scale. He read the numbers, checked my door tag RAWR, checked my rear tires capacity per GAWR, said something to the trooper and I was on my way in about two minutes. I live in rock crusher country DOT/state keeps the dump truck driver square with max loads so we have lots of rolling road check points. Tires/wheels/suspension can be upgraded to more capacity but axles/bearings are what they are.



JIM

 

[BBeck]

You will be overloaded like a lot of us. DC sold the truck with stock springs and 245 tires at 8800 GVWR, and with the Camper Package (overloads and sway bar) and 265 tires with the same 8800 GVWR. Washington State licensed mine at 12K, as it must be 1. 5 times tare weight rounded to the next highest even K. So, I do not worry about it. Tow a 29' Cardinal that grosses at around 12K and I have up to 2500 lbs of pin weight when load heavy. More when rear fresh water tank in empty. The camper package and 265's are the SRW 3500's for those years, DC just screwed up the paper work!!!!!!





Oo. :-{} #@$%!



SNOKING

SNOKING:



I live in Washington state as well. Could you point me to where the 1. 5 times tare weight is mentioned?



Thanks,

Brad

 

[SnoKing]

Maybe that changed.



November 22, 2005 - For Immediate Release



DOL announces new vehicle registration fees and requirement

OLYMPIA—Vehicle owners in Washington will notice changes on their next tab renewal notice. New laws created this year will affect the fee total for most vehicles and vehicle owners are now required to provide driver license information.



Several fees were created or increased by the state Legislature this year as part of a plan to fund 274 critical transportation projects over the next 16 years. These projects, located across the state, will improve highway safety and freight mobility. They also will reduce traffic congestion.



These will affect vehicles that are newly registered or are due for renewal on or after Jan. 1, 2006.



A new weight-based fee will be due for most motor vehicles subject to the state's basic $30 license tab fee. This new fee, collected in addition to the $30 basic licensing fee and all other taxes and fees due, will be charged as follows:



$10 for vehicles that weigh 4,000 pounds or less

$20 for vehicles that weigh between 4,001 and 6,000 pounds

$30 for vehicles that weigh between 6,001 and 8,000 pounds

$75 for motor homes regardless of actual weight

The gross weight (tonnage) fees paid by the owners of trucks and commercial vehicles in the 4,000-, 6,000- and 8,000-pound weight categories will increase by $10 to $30. The prior fee for vehicles in these weight categories was $30.



The fee for vehicles with a declared gross weight of 4,000 pounds will now be $40.

The fee for vehicles with a declared gross weight of 6,000 pounds will now be $50.

The fee for vehicles with a declared gross weight of 8,000 pounds will now be $60.

Comprehensive information about the 2005 transportation funding plan, including a breakdown of projects by county, is available at the Washington State Department of Transportation web site: www.wsdot.wa.gov/Projects/Funding/2005/.



The Legislature also lowered the fees for many small trailers and increased replacement license plates fees.



The license fee for private-use, single-axle trailers with a scale weight of 2,000 pounds or less will be reduced from $30 to $15. The fee to replace a license plate has increased to $12 per plate, which includes a $2 reflectorization fee. Previously, the plate replacement fee was $3. 50 per plate.



Vehicle owners are now required to present an unexpired Washington state driver license for each registered owner when they register a vehicle for the first time or renew their license tabs.



This new law is intended to reduce sales tax evasion by ensuring individuals who have a car registered in Washington don't have a driver license issued by another state. An out-of-state driver license can be used to claim an exemption from state sales tax on purchases.



There is space provided on the renewal notice for vehicle owners to write in the Washington driver license number and expiration date for each registered owner. Vehicle owners who visit vehicle licensing offices should be prepared to show their Washington driver license during the visit.



There are exemptions for those who are not required by law to have a driver license or do not drive on public roads. Individuals who present a valid and compelling reason for not presenting their license also may have the requirement waived.



DOL is now providing vehicle owners with the ability to get a complete breakdown of the vehicle taxes and fees included in their fee total over the Internet. This new function is available at www.dol.wa.gov.



SNOKING

 

[Grizzly]

For about $150 more you can get a 3500 SRW with more GVWR when you order a new truck.

 

[Mel Swanson]

Answered

Maybe that changed.

November 22, 2005 - For Immediate Release

DOL announces new vehicle registration fees and requirement
OLYMPIA—Vehicle owners in Washington will notice changes on their next tab renewal notice. New laws created this year will affect the fee total for most vehicles and vehicle owners are now required to provide driver license information.
www.dol. wa.gov.

SNOKING

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When SNOKING answeres a question there is nothing left to be answered

 

[Ramtough]

I have a 1. 300# payload 3/4 ton diesel truck also. Didn't the 8,800# GVWR have something to do with government regulations. EPA, NHTSA or some such crap?



Just because you are paranoid dosen't mean someone's not trying to get you.