Has anybody heard of LE (Lubricating Engineers) oil?

[machinemover]

I have a friend's brother that sells LE oil. It is a commercial grade oil and I am told through all the analysis it is suppose to be far supiorior to any other oil including Amsoil. It is a Dino oil but they have a secret additive that makes this far better then anything on the market. It is used by heavy equipment mostly, including NASA. I am concidering running this bumper to bumper, I am wondering if anyone has any experience in it? I remember Joe Donnelly saying he ran it in the drivetrain, but this was several years ago, that's all I remember hering about it, I know it's hard to get and not sold in stores. They concentrate on selling it in large volumns and for industrial use.

 

[DavidC]

Have heard of it. If I remember right there is a place on Mckellips near center in Mesa called A to Z diesel and the owner there carried it. He also touted it as the best but I have not tried it personally.



Dave

 

[Coalsmoke]

Have a friend that uses it and swears by it. I wanted to try it myself but don't have a local distributor for it. I believe there are some video tests of their oils and greases that you may be able to search online for.

 

[DavidC]

Here is the website for LE in case you do not have it.

Lubrication Engineers,® Inc. - Welcome.



Dave

 

[HBarlow]

Beware of snake oil salesmen with fantastic claims but little to back them up.



The first question to ask is: "is the LE brand oil certified for use in the new engines that demand ULSD fuel?"



A fairly recent issue of the TDR magazine included a test report of chemical analysis of all the major brands of oil. I don't remember hearing of LE.



If its so good, are all the major truck fleets using it? Does Cummins recommend it?



I used plain old Shell Rotella 15/40 purchased by the case from SAM's Club for 325,000 miles on my '01 and 230,000 miles on my '06. No synthetic, no fancy additives, just Shell Rotella poured from the jug. The '01 is still in the family and has 350,000 miles showing. No failures, no repairs.



I use only Valvoline Premium Blue in my '08.

 

[SBashaw]

We tried some LE oil in some of our gear boxes and compressors at work. manager won't even let the salesman back on the property. its expensive and did not show any improvement.

 

[Bob4x4]

The LE rep that used to come to all the TDR get togethers has jumped ship. A few years back he went to amsoil :-laf. Now i"ll bet he is saying Amsoil is the best... ... ... ... ... ...



Bob

 

[HBarlow]

The LE rep that used to come to all the TDR get togethers has jumped ship. A few years back he went to amsoil :-laf. Now i"ll bet he is saying Amsoil is the best... ... ... ... ... ...



Bob

I chuckled when I read that one. It's funny how salesmen "discover" those outstanding qualities and benefits of the products they (try to) sell.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

The LE rep that used to come to all the TDR get togethers has jumped ship. A few years back he went to amsoil :-laf. Now i"ll bet he is saying Amsoil is the best... ... ... ... ... ...

Bob

Was that Kevin Dinwiddie by chance? He was the LE version of Amsoilman :-laf
His handle was Oil Man, disappeared off TDR years ago but Amsoilman is still around

As for the oil, it was discussed at length but I don't think there were a lot of takers especially those in cold climates. The gear lube had a poor cold pour point temperature, like hardly below 0 as I recall but someone could probably dig up the specs & post them.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Well I see they have a syn gear lube now, they didn't have that when Kevin was around: http://www.le-inc.com/products/documents/9919_tdb.pdf

The synthetic knocks the pants off the dino gear lube in cold pourability, which is only -17F for the 85W90 and +5F for the 85W140 http://www.le-inc.com/products/documents/0703-0704_tdb.pdf

Thread to look at

https://www.turbodieselregister.com...xcept-engine/199862-almasol-le-607-worth.html

 

[MMeier]

Been running the 607 in my diffs for quite some time now. just bought a 5 gallon pail so I can service them all before winter.

 

[amsoilman]

Was that Kevin Dinwiddie by chance? He was the LE version of Amsoilman :-laf

His handle was Oil Man, disappeared off TDR years ago but Amsoilman is still around



As for the oil, it was discussed at length but I don't think there were a lot of takers especially those in cold climates. The gear lube had a poor cold pour point temperature, like hardly below 0 as I recall but someone could probably dig up the specs & post them.

Yes, Kevin Dinwiddie, Is theTechnical Product Manager for Drivetrain and Power Transmissions with Amsoil Inc.



I have been at the Amsoil facility several times in the past, and have spoken to Kevin in person as well as by telephone. He did get his eye's opened.



wayne

 

[Bob4x4]

I miss BSing with Kevin. If you see him again say hi from me. He"ll remember the 94 with the chrome under the hood and a bit of smoke out the back... .....

 

[amsoilman]

I miss BSing with Kevin. If you see him again say hi from me. He"ll remember the 94 with the chrome under the hood and a bit of smoke out the back... .....

I'm sure I 'll be seeing him at SEMA in November, and I will tell him.



Wayne

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Yes, Kevin Dinwiddie, Is theTechnical Product Manager for Drivetrain and Power Transmissions with Amsoil Inc.



I have been at the Amsoil facility several times in the past, and have spoken to Kevin in person as well as by telephone. He did get his eye's opened.



wayne

Well that's just interesting. . . I thought Kevin was alright, nothing against him. You might tell him hello and that his name popped up on TDR again if you see him

 

[machinemover]

I wouldn't consider LE "Snake Oil" I feel there claims are substantial and would stand up to Amsoil at most points. I have to be honest, I tried amsoil for 240,000 in my '03 dodge and my '00 dodge, ran it bumper to bumper including the by-pass system. Still was not impressed and found it expensive and over rated. I had just as many if not more mechanical breakdowns and found no benefit in running it. I have read up on LE a bit and just because they concentrate on the industrial market, where it will get really hard worked in an unkind environment, and not some much on the smaller guys this is no reason to knock what you don't know about or heard of. Here's another link on LE http://www.le-inc.com/documents/2410_8800_jim_leons.pdf. I'm not trying to sell it , just trying to get the best for my buck.

 

[DieselLady]

Beware of snake oil salesmen with fantastic claims but little to back them up.



The first question to ask is: "is the LE brand oil certified for use in the new engines that demand ULSD fuel?"



A fairly recent issue of the TDR magazine included a test report of chemical analysis of all the major brands of oil. I don't remember hearing of LE.



If its so good, are all the major truck fleets using it? Does Cummins recommend it?



I used plain old Shell Rotella 15/40 purchased by the case from SAM's Club for 325,000 miles on my '01 and 230,000 miles on my '06. No synthetic, no fancy additives, just Shell Rotella poured from the jug. The '01 is still in the family and has 350,000 miles showing. No failures, no repairs.



I use only Valvoline Premium Blue in my '08.

Pardon me for this but I read this article too. And if you are still using your Shell Rotella in your older trucks, you won't be getting the same lubricating factors that you used to. All the rotella, Delo and pretty much all the oils you can find now are CJ 4 rated and will not have the lubricity due to removing the additives that cause ash in the DPF. This was done specificly to Preserve the life of the DPF, at the expensive of all the other moving parts on the truck. I for one would rather shorten the life of a DPF than my crankshaft, etc. So much for going by every little rule set down in life. We have to start using our brains here. 30% reduction in fuel economy for no soot out the tail pipe and abrasive soot and less lubricity in our engines too. Give me a brake. :-{}

 

[6naline01]

Le

I have been using LE in my NV5600 for four years with good results,Jerry @Mag-Hytec sells it. We have used it in all our ranch equipment and I used it in my welding truck with good results.

 

[grasmo]

Their is an entire world of factors that come into play when dealing with oil. I will say that it is very easy to place judgement on an oil based on what the container looks like ... the marketing strategies of the company etc. etc. I suggest before reccomending an oil brand really do some research ... you can easily become interested in oil and the way it comes to being in a package and eventually in your truck. I can tell you I have used Amsoil for 22 years and until about 10 yrs. ago really didn't know squat about it other than some very savvy people had reccomended it to me . Even if you never use Amsoil they can provide you with a whole bunch of knowledge aqbout testing etc. and you can get an education about oil in general . Research it man and have fun! Amsoil.com

 

[HBarlow]

Pardon me for this but I read this article too. And if you are still using your Shell Rotella in your older trucks, you won't be getting the same lubricating factors that you used to. All the rotella, Delo and pretty much all the oils you can find now are CJ 4 rated and will not have the lubricity due to removing the additives that cause ash in the DPF. This was done specificly to Preserve the life of the DPF, at the expensive of all the other moving parts on the truck. I for one would rather shorten the life of a DPF than my crankshaft, etc. So much for going by every little rule set down in life. We have to start using our brains here. 30% reduction in fuel economy for no soot out the tail pipe and abrasive soot and less lubricity in our engines too. Give me a brake. :-{}

I'm not sure why you quoted my comment to make your point. I don't own any older trucks and am no longer responsible for their maintenance. My son-in-law's company owns my old '01 and he doesn't ask for my opinion on how it should be maintained. It only gets a thousand miles per year of usage now and would probably keep running for a while with no engine oil at all.



As I stated, I use Valvoline Premium Blue, a product recommended by Cummins, in my '08. I am confident that Cummins designed the new engines with full knowledge of the challenges, if any, presented by the new low ash oils that would be available for them.



I see no need to purchase snake oils with magical properties at inflated prices and regardless how many speeches are spoken or written, I never will. If Cummins, the manufacturer who builds our engines, believed that it was important for me to buy magical lube oils they would publish that recommendation and I would follow it.