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The E range tires on my 3500 won't cut it. The 19. 5s look great I would love them but they are a little out of my range for now. Last I heard was a set with tires for 5000. I need the extra heavy load carrying capacity. I put 8 - 10000lbs on the bed. I am in the process of getting the DOT registration for those of you who are GVW anal. Tire shop can get me Goodyear 235/85/16 tires that are H load range. They only said I would have to have reinforced rims because the tires must be inflated to a minimum 100psi. Does anyone know if the factory rims will hold up to this kind of load range/ pressure?

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2001 3500 4x4 H. O. 6 speed 4. 10, SLT, Cab and Chassis, 163" wheelbase western hauler stake bed 3" straight pipe, silencer ring AWOL, boost pyro gauge, K&N, Geno's one touch oil valve, Cobra 29, Halogen backup lights, cargo bed loading area flood lights, underbed boxes
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I was just introduced to load range G this summer on a Teton 5th wheel. H does not seem possible... ... ... .

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2001 2500 QC, ETH/DEE,4:10s, LSD, EZ with elbow(25PSI) Boost/Pyro Guages, 4" Turbo back, BD Brake,Mag-Hytec Cover, Kleen Wheels, Energy Release, 70 gal. fuel, 20K Reese. 22,000 miles on 12/19/00 (RV Dealer)

 

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I paid $2600 shipped for the six 19. 5" wheels/tires and simulators from Rickson Truck. Love 'em.

Rob

 

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The H range and higher are only available as commercial tires through most companies. But the $2600... . maybe I can round that up, I think it would be worth it.

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2001 3500 4x4 H. O. 6 speed 4. 10, SLT, Cab and Chassis, 163" wheelbase western hauler stake bed 3" straight pipe, silencer ring AWOL, boost pyro gauge, K&N, Geno's one touch oil valve, Cobra 29, Halogen backup lights, cargo bed loading area flood lights, underbed boxes
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Big Red is ready to roll!

 

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One of the recent print issues of TDR stated the weight rating of the stock wheels. I believe it was around 3200 lbs per wheel. You would exceed the capability of the equipment if you had 8000-10000 lbs on the rear axle. I don't recall how much weight the axle is capable of handling.
The numbers might be in the shop manual as well, but I don't keep it at the office.

 

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I am in the process of getting the DOT registration for those of you who are GVW anal

Hey... don't do it for us. . Won't cost us a cent if something happens.

I know this is doesn't have anything to do with your question, but... have you given any consideration to the brakes??

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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC 285-75-16's on Alcoa's. Everything but leather. PIAA 1200's, AMSOIL dual filter relocation system, Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs, Rhino Liner(Junk), K&N air filter(For Sale)15 year AMSOIL dealer. Time permitting, Soon to include Ultra-lite Pyro,0-50lbs boost, Trans temp in the pillar. Rancho 9000's with in cab adjustment.

 

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All kidding aside,

I was thinking about this over lunch today, and the more I thought about it... more I was confused. Part of this comes from fact that I am not up on all the spec's and weight limits. But... what are the limits of these trucks?

This isn't the first time I read where someone would consider putting 5 tons in the back of a 1 ton pick-up. Please don't misunderstand my question. I realize 5th wheel trailers can weigh much more than that. . But, they also have brakes. Plus the weight is distributed over multiple axles including the tow vehicle.
I don't even understand how DOT could approve something like this. Further, if our trucks can handle that kind of weight... why are they rated at 3/4 or 1 ton? Why not rate them for 5 ton? I don't remember this being an option.

 

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There was a set of 19. 5s in the classifieds. Don't know if he still has them or not. I have a 2500 and have hauled 4500 pounds several times. (90 sacks of feed at 50 lbs. eash. ) that takes a lot of guess work about the weight. No problems at all, other than taking a little longer to stop when some jerk pulls out in front of me.

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2001 quadcab slt 2500 HO 6spd. LWB,2wd,dk garnett red, trailer tow package,camper special, anti spin 3. 54 axle, speed liner,oversized stainless steel chicken slide,66 gallon in bed aux. tank,K&N air filter,Reese 20k hitch, Terry 2000 EX 30ft. double slide 5er, 2000 20ft gooseneck for haulin jeep, firewood and huntin stuff. 5X12 tagalong for haulin the 4 wheeler. Okie Newton

 

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The GVW Anal one here - I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading.

What the ****? 8-10k on the bed - you're talking pin wt, right? How do you NOT exceed the rear axle wt listed on the door post? My '00 2500 is rated for a GVWR of 8800lbs, front & rear axles are 5200 & 6085, I think. Your 3500 GVWR is what? 11k GVWR?

I don't give a **** if you get DOT tags or not. Just because you can get tags doesn't mean it's safe or correct. If I understand your 8-10k on the bed correctly what you're talking about doing is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long, long time.

I hope that I've misread your intentions. If I haven't then I hope that you only get a very expensive citation for being overweight instead of killing somebody besides yourself when you have a catastrophic failure of the frame/axle/sping mount etc.

Deezelman - forget the brakes. The response will be something like "the trailer has air/hyd brakes. I stop better with the trailer than w/o it".

I continue to be amazed at people that do these kinds of things. Maybe it's Darwinism at work.

Brian

 

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Don't worry about the DOT, all they worry about is if the tire capacity is equal or more than the weight carried. DO worry about the lawyer of the guy you run over, when you are accused of delibretly overloading the vehicle. Lawyers call it we're gonna' make some big $. In the industry we call it failure to manage risk.

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Denny
'99 2500 4X4 White short Q cab to much added to put here

 

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Tire shop can get me Goodyear 235/85/16 tires that are H load range. They only said I would have to have reinforced rims because the tires must be inflated to a minimum 100psi. Does anyone know if the factory rims will hold up to this kind of load range/ pressure?

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I would be leery of the Goodyear H rated tires, they haven't got the bugs out of the D and E trailer tires yet. bg

 

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Originally posted by Deezal Man:
Hey... don't do it for us. . Won't cost us a cent if something happens.

I know this is doesn't have anything to do with your question, but... have you given any consideration to the brakes??

The stock brakes have worked perfectly and I'm picking up a BD exhaust brake Monday. I can't really tell much of a difference with the weight on the bed. Just feels like any half ton I've driven with a heavy load of firewood.



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2001 3500 4x4 H. O. 6 speed 4. 10, SLT, Cab and Chassis, 163" wheelbase western hauler stake bed 3" straight pipe, silencer ring AWOL, boost pyro gauge, K&N, Geno's one touch oil valve, Cobra 29, Halogen backup lights, cargo bed loading area flood lights, underbed boxes
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Originally posted by Brian Meadows:
The GVW Anal one here - I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading.

What the ****? 8-10k on the bed - you're talking pin wt, right? How do you NOT exceed the rear axle wt listed on the door post? My '00 2500 is rated for a GVWR of 8800lbs, front & rear axles are 5200 & 6085, I think. Your 3500 GVWR is what? 11k GVWR?

I don't give a **** if you get DOT tags or not. Just because you can get tags doesn't mean it's safe or correct. If I understand your 8-10k on the bed correctly what you're talking about doing is about the dumbest thing I've heard in a long, long time.

I hope that I've misread your intentions. If I haven't then I hope that you only get a very expensive citation for being overweight instead of killing somebody besides yourself when you have a catastrophic failure of the frame/axle/sping mount etc.

Deezelman - forget the brakes. The response will be something like "the trailer has air/hyd brakes. I stop better with the trailer than w/o it".

I continue to be amazed at people that do these kinds of things. Maybe it's Darwinism at work.

Brian

I've run everything by the state and federal DOT it is legal. As long as I have the registration and safe operating brakes and suspension. They have checked my before at this kind of weight, no prob. The factory GVW is a recommendation from Dodge only it is not binding. I also ran it by a Superior court judge and a traffic court judge just to be safe, they agree, all legal. I have always loaded my trucks to heavier weight than most, but I've done it legally. This kind of weight is max load for me, usual is around 4500 pounds on an almost daily basis. My frame has been reinforced by the truck manufacturing shop that I bought my truck from. They set it up to handle this. Springs are not overloaded they just comfortably rest on the overload springs. Weight is distributed evenly over the front and rear axle. Maybe you should check out an F550 some time. Our equipment is the same grade equipment as them. They have GVW of 18500. Just calm down and put your eyes back in your head as I'm sure they popped out when you got ****** .


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2001 3500 4x4 H. O. 6 speed 4. 10, SLT, Cab and Chassis, 163" wheelbase western hauler stake bed 3" straight pipe, silencer ring AWOL, boost pyro gauge, K&N, Geno's one touch oil valve, Cobra 29, Halogen backup lights, cargo bed loading area flood lights, underbed boxes
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Big Red is ready to roll!

 

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There is a big car lot here in Tulsa that runs a couple of 3500s for hot shots and have both of them tagged at 40K!! Is there any rules for this, i am not DOT anal at all just curios. I don't think my work truck has been under its max in months!
Clark

 

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Comment on the F550. Our equipment, lets say drivetrain, is not comparable. Don't get upset yet. The F550 from what I've read has a DANA 135 rear axle. I'd never heard of it before. I would assume it is a much beefier axle than the 80 that is under your truck. I'm not sure of capacity, but I'm sure it's higher and I would guess the brakes are larger too.

 

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Frank,
How has the frame been beefed up? I've never said that the trucks capability can't be increased with appropriate mods. It sounds like you may be the one person who has actually done some homework.

It may not feel any different than your overloaded 1/2 ton - for now.

So let's say you're right about DCs GVWR/GCVW numbers being 'recommendations' and the only reason they are put on the door post is for warranty denial purposes. You exceed these numbers you are operating out of spec therefore no warranty. Where do the gov't agencies draw the line for max GVW/GCVW on our trucks? Yeah, it says something about safe braking, properly rated hitches but that does not mean the system (truck) is designed to work together and carry/tow that load?

Take a look at a F550 or an FL60 - check out the frame rail sections. They are much larger aren't they. Hmm, think they might be able to carry more weight w/o bending.

So are the new Duramaxes capable of working at almost 2x there factory 'recommendations' for GVWR/GCWR?

Brian

 

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Originally posted by Brian Meadows:
Frank,
How has the frame been beefed up? I've never said that the trucks capability can't be increased with appropriate mods. It sounds like you may be the one person who has actually done some homework.

It may not feel any different than your overloaded 1/2 ton - for now.

So let's say you're right about DCs GVWR/GCVW numbers being 'recommendations' and the only reason they are put on the door post is for warranty denial purposes. You exceed these numbers you are operating out of spec therefore no warranty. Where do the gov't agencies draw the line for max GVW/GCVW on our trucks? Yeah, it says something about safe braking, properly rated hitches but that does not mean the system (truck) is designed to work together and carry/tow that load?

Take a look at a F550 or an FL60 - check out the frame rail sections. They are much larger aren't they. Hmm, think they might be able to carry more weight w/o bending.

So are the new Duramaxes capable of working at almost 2x there factory 'recommendations' for GVWR/GCWR?

Brian

I'm not sure about the regular pickup but the cab and chassis has about a 12-14" frame height from roughly just before the back of the cab to the rear of the truck. It was reinforced by putting channel iron perpindicular to the frame as crossmember supports every 8 inches from the bed back. This added trememdous stability to the truck. I'm not sure what the max registerable limit is for our trucks I just looked to see if I could go as high as I wanted. Truck registered at 19,500. You may be right about the Dana 135, I just know that I have been able to load anything a 550 has and do it like it should be done. The 10,000 pound load by the way was a mini excavator that I put on the bed, the trailer I was putting it on had some tire problems and I had to get it to my farm. I put it on my dock and drove it onto the bed. No prob. My next truck will be much larger, Class 7 or 8 straight truck. The only reason I didn't this time was this is also my personal truck. Kind of hard to go out for the evening in a Freightliner or Mack.


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2001 3500 4x4 H. O. 6 speed 4. 10, SLT, Cab and Chassis, 163" wheelbase western hauler stake bed 3" straight pipe, silencer ring AWOL, boost pyro gauge, K&N, Geno's one touch oil valve, Cobra 29, Halogen backup lights, cargo bed loading area flood lights, underbed boxes
ready to bomb
Big Red is ready to roll!