here you go keith

[BFC]

Belive me Stephan, the bench looks pretty damn good when your up in the nose bleed section



Glenn

 

[Brandon]

crap i just started watching all these dyno videos (first time)



its all in seconds... ... ... .

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by Stefan Kondolay

What do you think of the B-1 Bomber?

stefan



kurt and i are testing the b-1 right now. in my truck it works great on the street but when i was on the dyno it never spooled. so i looked at lawerence's run and saw he was in od. when i did that today i was able to pull over 40psi with my truck.



i have a really big housing on this turbo, it works good unloaded but when i pulled 8k home it was running hot egt's. the housing on kurts truck is the one he is going to probably sell, it's a small dual wastegated housing and it spools pretty quick.



i am looking forward to may madness. i hope the dyno will make it all the way through this time.



jim

 

[Boost]

717 Way to go Jim. Wish I could have went down with ya.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

If you and Lawrence stay off it the rest of us might get a chance. I think you big boys just make the dyno want to quit. Now if I could only blow a dyno up then I'd be happy.

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

it's funny how thigs change all the time. first of all the cf for my run was 1. 13. dd's cf is around 1. 10-1. 12 at least that's what they told me. as far as you beating me on #2 great job. but when you feel like getting off the porch let me know.

Normally we do run around 1. 08 or so. Saturday was 1. 04 because of the cold.

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

i think all this is great. i'm a little slow but i think i have this figured out. if i dyno my truck it doesn't count, but if joe or dd dyno's there truck it counts. so basicly the only accurate dyno in the country is at dd?

Nope, if you dyno your truck IN FRONT OF EVERYONE then it counts. We've got bigger numbers at the shop, but you don't see us posting them... we posted what we did AT THE EVENT.

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

oh well i hope the dyno doesn't break before i get to run in may.

jim

You better dyno first (again), just to make sure.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

3 dyno's

Better bring 3 Dyno's to MM. If I go there, my 350 hp will be sure to blow one up. Two will be left for backup!

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by KLockliear





Normally we do run around 1. 08 or so. Saturday was 1. 04 because of the cold.







Nope, if you dyno your truck IN FRONT OF EVERYONE then it counts. We've got bigger numbers at the shop, but you don't see us posting them... we posted what we did AT THE EVENT.







You better dyno first, just to make sure.

keith



you asked for graph that was bigger than dd's, so i posted mine. you didn't tell me all the rules before i posted it, so sorry for breaking them.



trust me i would have beaten lawerence on sat if the dyno hadn't gave up on us. even if the motor would have failed i would have beat him. keith you can post any #'s you put up and i will never disagree with them, as long as there honest, i trust you guys.



like i said you guys did a great job saturday, and i wish the dyno didn't break, but it did so now the whining starts.



may-madness will be a blast.

are you guys going to sled pull in may?



on edit becuase of keiths edit.

i did dyno first but my turbo wasn't spooling up fast enough so i decided to change exhaust housings and try a full blown run. well the housing didn't hook up to my exhaust like kurt and i had hoped so i put my turbo back on and i was ready to run.

one other thing keith looking at all of the graphs from sat just the dd backed trucks were run in od. it seems that everyone else was in direct. if you guys were to be fair to everyone shouldn't all the trucks be run in od. for my truck shifting into od was the awnser as i picked up almost 40hp on just #2 in idaho when i tried it.



jim

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

you asked for graph that was bigger than dd's, so i posted mine. you didn't tell me all the rules before i posted it, so sorry for breaking them.

There were no rules. The whole point of going to a neutral dyno was to show everyone what you had right then and there. I'm not saying you don't have some good power, but I think we would have won. In May, we'll both put our numbers down in front of the crowd so there won't be any speculation on what "might" have been.

trust me i would have beaten lawerence on sat if the dyno hadn't gave up on us. even if the motor would have failed i would have beat him. keith you can post any #'s you put up and i will never disagree with them, as long as there honest, i trust you guys.

I'm not going to trust you, because I can say the same for us... we'd take the motor out before letting you win. We had a handful of nitrous jets with us too. Isn't competition great?! While I could post numbers we've got here, there is no point. The correction factors are different, etc, so we want to make a big number at the same place and time so we can compare apples to apples. That way it will be fair for both of us. BD vs DD.

like i said you guys did a great job saturday, and i wish the dyno didn't break, but it did so now the whining starts.

Who's whining? We put up the biggest number at the event.

may-madness will be a blast. are you guys going to sled pull in may?



jim

That I don't know. We're not into sled pulling, but you never know.

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

i did dyno first but my turbo wasn't spooling up fast enough so i decided to change exhaust housings and try a full blown run. well the housing didn't hook up to my exhaust like kurt and i had hoped so i put my turbo back on and i was ready to run.

one other thing keith looking at all of the graphs from sat just the dd backed trucks were run in od. it seems that everyone else was in direct. if you guys were to be fair to everyone shouldn't all the trucks be run in od. for my truck shifting into od was the awnser as i picked up almost 40hp on just #2 in idaho when i tried it.

jim

Almost all manuals get dynoed in the 1:1 gear. The exception is the really big turbod trucks. Joes was the only one dynoed in OD on Saturday. This is because normally on the dyno, you will see lower power in OD due to the extra rotational inertia you have to accelerate. This means you'll show less in OD, unless you run a massive turbo that doesn't get up to boost (like Joes).



Steve Covalts truck was run in 5th (6-speed) and made 470 without drugs.



I'll see if I can find a graph to illustrate my point.

Here you go:

#ad




There's 4th vs. 5th in the same truck... 24v 5-speed.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

I'm not going to trust you, because I can say the same for us... we'd take the motor out before letting you win. We had a handful of nitrous jets with us too. Isn't competition great?! While I could post numbers we've got here, there is no point. The correction factors are different, etc, so we want to make a big number at the same place and time so we can compare apples to apples. That way it will be fair for both of us. BD vs DD.





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like i said you guys did a great job saturday, and i wish the dyno didn't break, but it did so now the whining starts.

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Who's whining? We put up the biggest number at the event.

i don't want to argue with you, but as far as more nos jets, lawerences truck sounded like it was starting to pop with one you had in there. which means you didn't have enough fuel for any bigger jets. i'm just trying to help if you have to big of jets you will lose power.



as far as dd vs bullydog whatever. no one has given me anything for my truck for free yet, so it will be little ol me vs DD. to be honest i was disappointed with my #'s in idaho. i had alot more to give her but i had already beat your #'s so there was no point in going any higher.



jim

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

Originally posted by KLockliear





Almost all manuals get dynoed in the 1:1 gear. The exception is the really big turbod trucks. Joes was the only one dynoed in OD on Saturday. This is because normally on the dyno, you will see lower power in OD due to the extra rotational inertia you have to accelerate. This means you'll show less in OD, unless you run a massive turbo that doesn't get up to boost (like Joes).



Steve Covalts truck was run in 5th (6-speed) and made 470 without drugs.



I'll see if I can find a graph to illustrate my point.

keith i understand how the dyno works i just didn't think about running it in od until i saw lawerence doing it on his truck. steve has a lot smaller turbo on his truck than i do. so i couldn't build any boost in direct.



jim

 

[KLockliear]

Originally posted by CUMINNTSTRKN

as far as dd vs bd whatever. no one has given me anything for my truck for free yet, so it will be little ol me vs DD. to be honest i was disappointed with my #'s in idaho. i had alot more to give her but i had already beat your #'s so there was no point in going any higher.

jim

Good luck in May. I'll just leave it there.

 

[DAWG-1]

WOW

"WOW" I sure would have liked to be there . These trucks have a sound of there own when making high horsepower. See you at Dyno days, Sam.

 

[HeberRam]

Trying to resolve the dispute!

In order to resolve the dispute between Keith and Jim regarding their Dyno charts, I have obtain confidential information from each regarding:



Type of fuel used

Barametric pressure

Alltitude

Wind speed

Air Temp

Wind direction

Type of Dyno used

Time of day

Correction factors

Tire size

Drag coiefiency

Ego ratios



I have a personal friend of mine who has a Doctorate in science, a PHD in Engineering, and a Masters in Mathamatics and is head of Micro-soft programming, here in Utah who has a program to analyze all the above data, in order to make a fair comparison!!!



I should have the answers in a few hours..... Heber

 

[Mopar-muscle]

herber ... good one ...



keith , you lost me , more hp in direct vs od ? i thought it was the other way around due to the bigger load on the engine in OD ???



help ...





stephan , you of all people should know ... there is ALWAYS someone faster ... how much you wanna spend ???



i gave up , i can't afford to be THE biggest dog on the porch , i'm happy being ONE of the biggest dogs on the porch ...





ok guys , shake hands , go to your corners and when the bell rings keep it clean

 

[Bob Riley]

Keith, something doesn't add up

Keith,



Your quote here in this thread

Almost all manuals get dynoed in the 1:1 gear. The exception is the really big turbod trucks. Joes was the only one dynoed in OD on Saturday. This is because normally on the dyno, you will see lower power in OD due to the extra rotational inertia you have to accelerate. This means you'll show less in OD, unless you run a massive turbo that doesn't get up to boost (like Joes).

And another member on Diesel-central.

Keith, you had a chance to clear this up, but it seems you want to BS us here a bit. So if I take what your saying here, you run the Fords in direct because of the speed limiter? Aren't you guys chip programmers? If your any good at it, you can remove the limiter. So why not run the Fords in OD? I'm guessing you ran your Dodge in OD to draw more load on the engine, which will give better (inflated) dyno numbers.

And your answer

yeah, we are a Superchips dealer. The fact is though that not every truck has a chip. In fact, with our Therminator, we would rather sell that than the chip, so when we dyno a Ford, not all of them have the limiter removed.



We do all of them in 3rd for consistency. If we did the ones with chips in OD, and the ones without in 3rd, you can't compare them.

And another question in the same thread

Right now, IMHO to get comparable numbers you should dyno the trucks in the same relative final gear ratio, or at least as close as possible. For example dyno all 3. 73 rear end ratios in 1:1 transmission ratio, but let Duke with his steap gears use OD. I wouldn’t compare one truck with 3. 73 dynoed in OD to another 3. 73 truck in 1:1 gear.

And your answer

In the case of the Dodge's, this is not the same. The Dodge's produce higher numbers in OD than in drive, likely because of more boost/load and this extra power overcomes the extra loss from drivetrain inertia.

So, which is it? You say two different things depending on the question. I am really curious myself cause I just ran on a dyno. I have a chip and a higher speed and rev limiter. Would I have run higher numbers in OD? I do drive a Ford.



Bob

 

[KLockliear]

Boy, that's a lot of threads. Here's the skinny:



We dyno Dodge autos in OD, manuals in 1:1 except the big turbo'd ones that need lots of time to spool it up (like HX-55's and such).



For the manuals, most will dyno less in OD than direct, since you use gear multiplication in OD. This is easily demonstrated with a stick, but not so much so with an auto. One of the big reasons is that with an auto, you have to start the dyno run at like 1900rpm so it won't downshift. With a manual, you can start them at 1400rpm or whatever, so you give the turbo more time to build boost.



You can't always get the Dodge autos to stay in 3rd, so 4th is the choice. If you always run them in OD, the consistency is there.



We dyno Ford autos in 3rd (1:1) to avoid the limiter. The few manual Fords we've seen, we dynoed in 1:1. Mostly 450's and 550's, which are really quick due to the 4. 88's out back anyway. Again, frictional losses and mechanical losses usually end up making for less power in OD on the manuals.

 

[Bob Riley]

Keith,

Ok, I have a Ford auto. Now, I don't know about where you are, but I have yet to see a Ford or any truck, for that matter, be interested in a Dyno, if that truck hasn't been even slightly modified. That meaning, most Fords that show up have chips. If they do, they also have speed limiters removed.

So, you see, I still don't understand the logic, or at least the answer. You keep mentioning the manuals, but also say you see very few of them. Lets say on a Ford, someone has a auto, what would give more hp?

On a dodge, with an auto or stick, what would give more hp?



If you are really trying to make fair comparisons, then every truck should be run at IT'S particular best gear. You said you run the fords in 3rd cause some have limeters, but then say the dodges get better numbers in OD. That's the part that has me confused.



Bob

 

[Don M]

My truck showed 23 HP lower in 4th gear than in 5th. I have a manual and the stock turbo at the time.



What gives.



410 gears, is that it?



Don~