How come CAT isn't involved in diesel pickups?

[hammersley]

The reason you don't want one is that you

want most of the oil on the Inside of the Engine... ... . I remember others making the comment..... " If a CAT isn't leaking it isn't running??????" Is there any truth to this??????

 

[hammersley]

Dilbert is at work......

Rewind back to the year 1988. How many people in the USA recognized the Cummins name? How many of you would have considered a Dodge pickup in 1988?



Ask the above questions by replacing 1988 with 2005. See how much has changed?



Recognition of the 'Cummins' name is much higher today. Why? The performance, economy, and reliability of the 5. 9 Cummins engine has carved a very loyal niche in the highly-competitive, diesel pickup market.



Doesn't Caterpillar see Cummins' success in a high-volume and high-profile market and get a bit envious? There could have been a website like this one dedicated to Cat diesel engines in Brand-X pickups. Aren't there marketing persons in Peoria saying, "We have a brand-name with even more potential than Cummins, a engine with similar performance numbers, and we are just sitting around doing nothing!"



I don't understand why Caterpillar has chosen to sit this game out. Why do you turn your back on the sale of hundreds of thousands of diesel engines? Was it the lack of autonomy that an automaker would give Cat in developing the engine (ex. Ford & Navistar)? Were they spooked by EPA regulations?



It makes no sense to me. Someone please explain it to me because I don't get it.

Do you ever read Dilbert?????? Any comparissons????

 

[Evan A. Beck]

If its a Cat and smaller than a 3406, it sucks.

 

[FDavid]

I'll take a cummins over a cat any day. Went to a truck pull last year and they had semi's pullin as well. It came down to 2 rigs, one with a cummins and the other with a cat. It was pretty awesome to see the cummins powered rig outpull the cat by noticable margin

 

[rbattelle]

I'm not a big fan of Caterpillar's HEUI fuel system. It has an impressive capability for customizing injection events, and it looks really good on paper, but in actual implementation it seems too complex for my tastes.



Wasn't it in Diesel Progress that Cat said they're going to common rail in the future?



-Ryan

 

[tgee]

Cat has success with the big truck market, it has captured 50% of all truck sales I would guess, the other 50% is Detroit, and Cummins. The big success came with the 425 -3406 model, these engines were long lived at 500,000+ miles, they had the potential of mega bombing (several out there in the 600-800 hp area), and they would PULLLL. This engine in the rigs is kin to the Cummins in the pickup market. I would be tempted by Cat, if they had a proven engine in the size of 5. 9 - 7. 0 liter, and it was a inline six. If they could put retarder technology on it----SOLD. But, in all reality, I really do not care for all that electronics, and my old twelve valve has more life than I have left. But it is fun to dream.



Cat did put a 3208 in a few Ford one tons for awhile in the late 70s. A friend of mine bought a used one. It was a hog, it would run like a scalded ape, but only got around 10MPG. At 110,000 miles it ate a valve and sent it through a turbo (twin turbos), he went to get it fixed and was quoted a repair price of over $4000. 00 . The truck was parked.

I thought DDC had a bigger share of the big truck market than Cat, for many years. DDC S-60s would always get better fuel mileage, cheaper to repair ( labor and parts pricing ), and usually get more mileage between overhauls. Speaking of HEUIs, I thought Int'l was a pioneer of this technology, not Cat. Doesn't a old 3116 fuel injection system look similar to an old DDC 2 stroke system? Where did Cat get its electronic fuel injection system from, 3406E?

 

[Champane Flight]

Detroit

Detroit has probably all of the big fleet engine sales, but most owner operators I know are running Cat. Of course they are running mostly mountains, and have bigger mills, such as the 550 and 600HP models. There are couple of guys running Cummins, but you are probably right about Detroit having market percentage. I am coming from the early eighties when Detroit was making the swap from the series engines to the DDC (V-8/V-12 to the inline), at that point Cat was coming on strong, and had it sewn up for awhile.

 

[Evan A. Beck]

I thought DDC had a bigger share of the big truck market than Cat, for many years. DDC S-60s would always get better fuel mileage, cheaper to repair ( labor and parts pricing ), and usually get more mileage between overhauls. Speaking of HEUIs, I thought Int'l was a pioneer of this technology, not Cat. Doesn't a old 3116 fuel injection system look similar to an old DDC 2 stroke system? Where did Cat get its electronic fuel injection system from, 3406E?

There are a LOT of S60's out there. Great engine, great mileage. Easy to work on.



The HEUI system was developed by Cat. They make the injectors used in many Cat engines, and the Int'l T444E (PSD), DT466E, and I530E engines.

 

[EricBu12]

on page 92 of the latest "Off-road Adventures, they are showing alot of old I-H scouts and the things they had... .



There is a nissan Diesel Engine that looks like a Cat engine. Painted yellow, it looks like the 12 valve Cummins with the mechanical injectors.....



The wording under it says...



"The Nissan 6D-33 six cylinder Diesel was added to the lineup in 1976. The naturally aspirated version cranked out 96 hp and 137 pound-feet from 198 Cubic inches. that was good enough to give the Scout Terra 20. 7 Mpg. in a combined city/highway test by "PV4" magazine. Pretty good from a 4500# rig, though it's 0-60 time was a yawn-inspiring 33. 1 seconds. The Turbo version cranked out 101 hp and 175 pound feet with only 6. 5# of boost. "



Here is the site for the magazine,wait for the current June issue to show up online to see the story.

http://www.4wheelpartsadventures.com/currentIssue/index.html

 

[NPloysa]

on page 92 of the latest "Off-road Adventures, they are showing alot of old I-H scouts and the things they had... .



There is a nissan Diesel Engine that looks like a Cat engine. Painted yellow, it looks like the 12 valve Cummins with the mechanical injectors.....



The wording under it says...



"The Nissan 6D-33 six cylinder Diesel was added to the lineup in 1976. The naturally aspirated version cranked out 96 hp and 137 pound-feet from 198 Cubic inches. that was good enough to give the Scout Terra 20. 7 Mpg. in a combined city/highway test by "PV4" magazine. Pretty good from a 4500# rig, though it's 0-60 time was a yawn-inspiring 33. 1 seconds. The Turbo version cranked out 101 hp and 175 pound feet with only 6. 5# of boost. "



Here is the site for the magazine,wait for the current June issue to show up online to see the story.

http://www.4wheelpartsadventures.com/currentIssue/index.html

My brother had a 1980 Scout II with the 6D-33 Nissan, and his was turbo'd. Yep, 101 HP was about all that little tank had. Fun to drive but pretty gutless.



Nick

 

[Champane Flight]

I had a neighbor with one of those old scouts.

Does anyone remember the Dodge D-50 with the little Mitsubishi turboed diesel? Wish I could find one, they were a good little rig, nobody understood the little buggers though.

 

[me4osu]

After dealing with Cat's non-responsive attitude toward its customers for years, I would not want to own a pickup with one of their engines in it.



They make very good engines, in the large bores that we buy, but the bean-counters have taken them over. We currently have a G3616TA on order right now that Cat has slipped delivery by three weeks, because they can't keep enough crankshafts on hand for warranty replacements. So, what do they do? Rob the production line. #@$%!



I agree with an earlier post: Less than a 3406 is a piece of dooky. I used to work on D3208s and they are a non-linered throw-away engine made to swing, not re-build.

 

[JJuday]

Cat wouldn't have to hard of a time replacing the current International diesels, mainly because they already have their foot in the door with the medium duty F-series trucks. The C-7 seems like a good motor, but I have no experience with Cat diesels. Being that the big three are so hush-hush on future vehicles, it's possible someone may have something already in the works with Cat. I'm no Rhodes scholar, but in 2003 Cummins had sold over 1,000,000 5. 9s to Dodge and if you figure an average of 5,000$ per motor, plus Cummins replacement parts and you get the idea! I don't expect Cat to just sit idley by as two of their major competitors control the market. I still think it would be cool to see some yellow under a Super Duty hood!





2003, 2500 Q. C. Long bed, H. O. 6-spd. 4X4

 

[foxracer1]

They had the Power Wagon concept truck, it had a 3116E or 3126 if I rember right. With a displacement of 7. 2 liters, and only making 300 HP, it wouldnt make much sense when the smaller ISB series makes the same amount of power.

This is true but the tourqe numbers are much higher and a few tweaks on the computer will bring it higher. But how can a transmission in a pick up handle much more and still fit and offer 4 wd?