Hey guys, well today was the first day of the our island bus service strike, employees walked out about midnight last night, now here's my predicament, I work in a division of this company, my shop has a different contract, the drivers in my division have a different contract then the bus drivers striking, yet our union has asked us to sympathy strike along with them. Now what is really ticking me off is, our division handles elderly, disabled and medically sick peoples transportation, one of which is my aunt, and our union has seen fit to put the lives (oh yes, the LIVES, because if all our drivers loyally listened to our union there would be no means of transportation for some of these people, thus causing them to miss dialysis appointments and medical doctor appoinments) of our customers on the line and to use as leaverage. I am supportive of my union brothers up until this point, and I have worked today because I have to do what I have to do, just as they are doing. Honestly guys how would you deal with the fact where you have to go to work because you need to pay bills, yet want to support your union brothers, yet serve you customers and be there for people who really need you? I need to take a vacation!
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We have supported union strikes in other areas before (member CWA local 2336).
Yeah,... it bites.
Yes it affects customers.
Yes it's usually caused by companies trying to cut costs by hosing employees.
No,... . our union has not gone on strike for more pay, it's alway been about cutting our benefits, layoffs, and relocating jobs.
One day YOU might be "The Other Guys".
Take a couple of days off.
JMHO
Ed
Yeah,... it bites.
Yes it affects customers.
Yes it's usually caused by companies trying to cut costs by hosing employees.
No,... . our union has not gone on strike for more pay, it's alway been about cutting our benefits, layoffs, and relocating jobs.
One day YOU might be "The Other Guys".
Take a couple of days off.
JMHO
Ed
Kalaehina
- You could take your vacation time and not step on your union brother's toes by doing so. Then, use that time and your own vehicle to shuttle around those in need. You'll solve two conflicting ideals, but you'll use your acrued time off. At least you'll sleep better at night. -frank.
- You could take your vacation time and not step on your union brother's toes by doing so. Then, use that time and your own vehicle to shuttle around those in need. You'll solve two conflicting ideals, but you'll use your acrued time off. At least you'll sleep better at night. -frank.
My fulltime job is at a non-union factory, owned by one of the largest and richest corporations in the world. Managers are rotated out on a regular basis. The ones who get promoted out of here have done something significant, like cut costs. Well there's no more blood in the turnip, it's been squeezed dry by previous managers. This time, it's a shift change, in our maintenance department only, and a loss of $400 per paycheck. We're all ready to quit. We wish we had the union . No greed here, just a realization that we've been used as pawns for someone's promotion.
Kalehina, hang tough, man. We're with ya !
Kalehina, hang tough, man. We're with ya !
This may come across the wrong way...
Can you shuttle the really sick ones to get dialysis, etc. in your own vehicle on your time while youre on vacation? You wont be working anyway, right?
If it was a union members mom or grandma I think they'd understand.
Just a thought.
I'm not pro or anti union. Right now I'm not a union employee and I wont have a job as of winter 04/spring 05. I've been in unions (loacl 68 IUOE) and I dont think they could have prevented the company moving everything to mexico.
Eric
Briar Hopper,,, sounds familiar.
Edit: OOps. Didnt see Franks post.
Can you shuttle the really sick ones to get dialysis, etc. in your own vehicle on your time while youre on vacation? You wont be working anyway, right?
If it was a union members mom or grandma I think they'd understand.
Just a thought.
I'm not pro or anti union. Right now I'm not a union employee and I wont have a job as of winter 04/spring 05. I've been in unions (loacl 68 IUOE) and I dont think they could have prevented the company moving everything to mexico.
Eric
Briar Hopper,,, sounds familiar.
Edit: OOps. Didnt see Franks post.
Lets see ... whats more important your job, your paycheck, your family -or- a bunch of whiners wanting more $$$!
BE LUCKY YOU HAVE A JOB ... NOW GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
Union people ... let me tell ya, they'd stab you in the back if it served their purpose. Don't be a patsy for them ... blood sucking, pinky ring, dues squandering socialists.
I lost a good job because of a union organizing office workers! We were a small company and the office workers union worked over a few programmers to join them and I said NO F'ING WAY.
It was either join or leave ... so I had to leave.
You can either be one of the multitudes begging for more money or non-existant "job security" or you can make things happen yourself.
Me ... If I had kids that needed food and cloths and a roof over their head ... I'd be worring about them and not give a thought about walking out of a good job on some union boss's say-so.
BE LUCKY YOU HAVE A JOB ... NOW GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
Union people ... let me tell ya, they'd stab you in the back if it served their purpose. Don't be a patsy for them ... blood sucking, pinky ring, dues squandering socialists.
I lost a good job because of a union organizing office workers! We were a small company and the office workers union worked over a few programmers to join them and I said NO F'ING WAY.
It was either join or leave ... so I had to leave.
You can either be one of the multitudes begging for more money or non-existant "job security" or you can make things happen yourself.
Me ... If I had kids that needed food and cloths and a roof over their head ... I'd be worring about them and not give a thought about walking out of a good job on some union boss's say-so.
Ditto to FATCAT
I have been on both sides of union and managment and "they" as in upper company or union managment could care less about you or putting food on your table. In out union the union dues were a percentage of the average workers hourly wage, hence more $$ for the employee more money for the union. Always remember the the union is a business just like the company and it needs $$ to stay in business. The only job security left is the one you and you alone create, start a business, plenty or oppurtunity out there you just have to do it and not relay on "them" for your paycheck.
Do what you have to do to keep your kids fed!!!
I have been on both sides of union and managment and "they" as in upper company or union managment could care less about you or putting food on your table. In out union the union dues were a percentage of the average workers hourly wage, hence more $$ for the employee more money for the union. Always remember the the union is a business just like the company and it needs $$ to stay in business. The only job security left is the one you and you alone create, start a business, plenty or oppurtunity out there you just have to do it and not relay on "them" for your paycheck.
Do what you have to do to keep your kids fed!!!
Well I guess if I follow along I'll need to go take some night courses,... ... In foreign languages, so I can follow my job to what ever country is paying their workers the least this week.
Hablas Espanol?:--)
Hablas Espanol?:--)
Don,t know
I don't know now Kal, I was going to tell you to go out with your brothers. Now I see Fatcat and repo thinking about moving to the islands? Wal-mart mentality... .
If your union wants to go out, better read the contract real close to see if it is legal to go out under present agreement. Some contracts do have clause to prohibit strike for length of contract.
Get with your Union brothers and talk this out, in some cases a lock in is better than a strike.
I don't know now Kal, I was going to tell you to go out with your brothers. Now I see Fatcat and repo thinking about moving to the islands? Wal-mart mentality... .
If your union wants to go out, better read the contract real close to see if it is legal to go out under present agreement. Some contracts do have clause to prohibit strike for length of contract.
Get with your Union brothers and talk this out, in some cases a lock in is better than a strike. Thanks for the advice and encouraging words guys, had another day today, a little more heat today on us. A striker actually put his hand on one of our mechanics, he came up to the window of his truck as he waited to pull out into traffic and said in a sarcastic way "You have a nice day" and he slapped our mechanic on his chest twice, in a football teamate style but suspiciously hard. Well our mechanic (who's also in the air national guard) just sucked it up and ignored him and looked straight, I told him he should have thrown that truck into park, pulled the keys out and started walking away leaving the truck blocking thier path, I mean really how freakin uncalled for and just irritating is that! Then later in the day union members tracked our mechanics down to our secret work area off base where we were repairing vehicles, to reason with them to join the strike
. Okay, the division striking took a strike vote, and it was almost 100% to strike, we had no strike vote, just asking to support our brothers and sisters in their strike, so if they asked and we decided stopped bothering us! we respect their choice so they should respect ours! Anyway, even if I'm venting a little I actually feel a little better then yesterday because alot of our drivers showed up for work, showing loyalty to our customers, but some also walked the picket line after their shift, and showed support to their union, now that is classy and I certainly give them credit for that. They saw me coming out of the base and waved happily, thumbs up, because they know what I am going through they are going through and they understand, I am happy to work with such great people who treat their passengers as family and not pawns. Sorry for the rant, and thanks again for all the advice guys
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. Okay, the division striking took a strike vote, and it was almost 100% to strike, we had no strike vote, just asking to support our brothers and sisters in their strike, so if they asked and we decided stopped bothering us! we respect their choice so they should respect ours! Anyway, even if I'm venting a little I actually feel a little better then yesterday because alot of our drivers showed up for work, showing loyalty to our customers, but some also walked the picket line after their shift, and showed support to their union, now that is classy and I certainly give them credit for that. They saw me coming out of the base and waved happily, thumbs up, because they know what I am going through they are going through and they understand, I am happy to work with such great people who treat their passengers as family and not pawns. Sorry for the rant, and thanks again for all the advice guys .stay at work
Stay at work. Those customers will find other companies to carry them where they need to go if you don't. That means less business for you when the strike is over. A strike, in some peoples opinions, may be good for the workers, but it is even better for your competition. When customers leave, they don't normally come back. When the jobs go away, the union can't do anything to help you. Just ask anyone who has worked at a company, with a union workforce, that has closed down. At least the company will give you a severance check, where did all the money from the union dues you paid go??? Just disappears I guess. Also find out if the people who call the strike, the ones who are running your union, still get paid while you walk the picket line. The answers may suprise you. Good luck with whatever decision you make. As for jobs going elsewhere, if you can buy a product, with the same quality, from somewhere else but at a cheaper price, would you do it? Yes, we all do it everyday, we all shop for a better deal, but when a company does it, it's bad??
Stay at work. Those customers will find other companies to carry them where they need to go if you don't. That means less business for you when the strike is over. A strike, in some peoples opinions, may be good for the workers, but it is even better for your competition. When customers leave, they don't normally come back. When the jobs go away, the union can't do anything to help you. Just ask anyone who has worked at a company, with a union workforce, that has closed down. At least the company will give you a severance check, where did all the money from the union dues you paid go??? Just disappears I guess. Also find out if the people who call the strike, the ones who are running your union, still get paid while you walk the picket line. The answers may suprise you. Good luck with whatever decision you make. As for jobs going elsewhere, if you can buy a product, with the same quality, from somewhere else but at a cheaper price, would you do it? Yes, we all do it everyday, we all shop for a better deal, but when a company does it, it's bad??
"Lets see ... whats more important your job, your paycheck, your family -or- a bunch of whiners wanting more $$$!
BE LUCKY YOU HAVE A JOB ... NOW GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
Union people ... let me tell ya, they'd stab you in the back if it served their purpose. Don't be a patsy for them ... blood sucking, pinky ring, dues squandering socialists. "
Man that is how I feel unfortunately I have to be in the union to keep my job, I am looking to get out of where I am at because that is all they do where I work is
:{ :{ :{ :{ about everything everybody wants to be the boss and in every body's business but they don't want to take the title BOSS, just ***** and complain.
I tell you how bad it is where I work my grandmother past away late yester day and I did not know if I had the day off or not and none of the union people at work like the Stuart or any of the committee people could give me an answer, nor could they give me an answer if I could have the tomorrow off to attend the funeral, so I am just going to call off.
I do support unions but I don't if you know what I mean,I may have to be in it to keep my job and pay them every month but I surely don't have to likt it or them. If we did not have a union where I work we would only make about $ 9. 00 hr but with the union it is a pretty hefty jump. But like I said before our union people don't know there a$$ from a hole in the ground, but if they need to stab you in the back they will do it in a New York second. This is the first union job I have had and I cant stand, I hat it with a passion but I need a job so what can I do.
Kalaehina just do what your heart tells you and you will be OK, it looks like you may have figured it out, I hope it all works out for you
BE LUCKY YOU HAVE A JOB ... NOW GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
Union people ... let me tell ya, they'd stab you in the back if it served their purpose. Don't be a patsy for them ... blood sucking, pinky ring, dues squandering socialists. "
Man that is how I feel unfortunately I have to be in the union to keep my job, I am looking to get out of where I am at because that is all they do where I work is
:{ :{ :{ :{ about everything everybody wants to be the boss and in every body's business but they don't want to take the title BOSS, just ***** and complain.
I tell you how bad it is where I work my grandmother past away late yester day and I did not know if I had the day off or not and none of the union people at work like the Stuart or any of the committee people could give me an answer, nor could they give me an answer if I could have the tomorrow off to attend the funeral, so I am just going to call off.
I do support unions but I don't if you know what I mean,I may have to be in it to keep my job and pay them every month but I surely don't have to likt it or them. If we did not have a union where I work we would only make about $ 9. 00 hr but with the union it is a pretty hefty jump. But like I said before our union people don't know there a$$ from a hole in the ground, but if they need to stab you in the back they will do it in a New York second. This is the first union job I have had and I cant stand, I hat it with a passion
but I need a job so what can I do. Kalaehina just do what your heart tells you and you will be OK, it looks like you may have figured it out, I hope it all works out for you
~20 years with the IBEW, no more for me.
Too much of the unions resourses went to protect scumbags who were always out sick or would not work. True, the company changed over time and management could not or was not allowed to manage either. But the constant battle to get an hour here or an hour there of pay for no work started the ball rolling. The lucrative shifts with good incentives went away, areas slowed up. When times were still not bad, the company asked for 12 hour shifts to remain competetive. No loss of money just a shift change. The "old guard" (many of whom worked mucho OT) said no. Things went downhill after that and now 2-3 years later, there is no job.
Too much of the unions resourses went to protect scumbags who were always out sick or would not work. True, the company changed over time and management could not or was not allowed to manage either. But the constant battle to get an hour here or an hour there of pay for no work started the ball rolling. The lucrative shifts with good incentives went away, areas slowed up. When times were still not bad, the company asked for 12 hour shifts to remain competetive. No loss of money just a shift change. The "old guard" (many of whom worked mucho OT) said no. Things went downhill after that and now 2-3 years later, there is no job.
Both
I have been screwed by both the Union and the company, can tell you, both hurt. If you belong to a Union, participate, go to meetings, and be a part of it. If you don't, pray for a good Boss, a good company, and a job you enjoy. I have a good Boss right now, that and we are very much away from the biggies.
I had a job as a younger man that had a Boss worthy of sainthood. If someone asked me to join a Union around that company, they would have been told to urinate up a rope! I have had jobs that needed Unions, pompous Bosses, bogus company policy's, and poor benefits/pay. I have only been unemployed for three months in forty years. Can say there are many more worthless employers out there than good. I have only found two worth a damn.
Truckie, get a copy of the contract, show it to your steward. Your boss should have one to. Immediate family usually get time off with pay. If you are paying dues, you do have a right to representation, in some cases even if you are not paying dues you have a right (open shop). When the International pulled out of our company, we had only a few paying members left. Most wanted the representation without paying for it. Wal-mart mentality.
I have been screwed by both the Union and the company, can tell you, both hurt. If you belong to a Union, participate, go to meetings, and be a part of it. If you don't, pray for a good Boss, a good company, and a job you enjoy. I have a good Boss right now, that and we are very much away from the biggies.
I had a job as a younger man that had a Boss worthy of sainthood. If someone asked me to join a Union around that company, they would have been told to urinate up a rope! I have had jobs that needed Unions, pompous Bosses, bogus company policy's, and poor benefits/pay. I have only been unemployed for three months in forty years. Can say there are many more worthless employers out there than good. I have only found two worth a damn.
Truckie, get a copy of the contract, show it to your steward. Your boss should have one to. Immediate family usually get time off with pay. If you are paying dues, you do have a right to representation, in some cases even if you are not paying dues you have a right (open shop). When the International pulled out of our company, we had only a few paying members left. Most wanted the representation without paying for it. Wal-mart mentality.
Re: Don,t know
Wal-mart mentality ... how about ape-man mentality which fits most unions thugs! About a year and a half before I had to leave my previous job the union threatened a strike, and us non-union people would have to man the trucks and do turn-on/turn-off and safty checks for our natural gas customers.
We were warned that there might be some phony customer calls of "I smell gas" by strikers so that we would drive out to fix the problem only to find a bunch of strikers ready to damage the truck and/or the "management" person driving the truck. To which I replied to my Boss ". . well then, you won't object to me carrying my . 45 with me on the truck. . ".
This had happen during the last strike my old company had, luckly the union came to their senses before they went on strike this time.
So ... as soon as someone doesn't agree with CF the name calling come out. Well CF, you can take your "Wal-mart mentality"
comment and blow it out your A$$! I haven't had a raise in 2 1/2 yrs. so I work on the side to make my own raise ... I don't sit around whining to others about it.
If you don't like the job, the people, or the boss ... there's the door ... no one is keeping you from walking through it to find another job or start a business of your own.
Originally posted by Champane Flight
I don't know now Kal, I was going to tell you to go out with your brothers. Now I see Fatcat and repo thinking about moving to the islands? Wal-mart mentality... .
Wal-mart mentality ... how about ape-man mentality which fits most unions thugs! About a year and a half before I had to leave my previous job the union threatened a strike, and us non-union people would have to man the trucks and do turn-on/turn-off and safty checks for our natural gas customers.
We were warned that there might be some phony customer calls of "I smell gas" by strikers so that we would drive out to fix the problem only to find a bunch of strikers ready to damage the truck and/or the "management" person driving the truck. To which I replied to my Boss ". . well then, you won't object to me carrying my . 45 with me on the truck. . ".
This had happen during the last strike my old company had, luckly the union came to their senses before they went on strike this time.
So ... as soon as someone doesn't agree with CF the name calling come out. Well CF, you can take your "Wal-mart mentality"
comment and blow it out your A$$! I haven't had a raise in 2 1/2 yrs. so I work on the side to make my own raise ... I don't sit around whining to others about it.
If you don't like the job, the people, or the boss ... there's the door ... no one is keeping you from walking through it to find another job or start a business of your own.
FATCAT,
Watch who you are calling Union thugs.
There are many TDR members here that belong to Unions, including myself.
You havent had a raise in 2. 5 years? Sure sounds like your whining about it to me.
There is nothing wrong with an organized group of workers negotiating to better their circumstances.
Wal-Mart, now there is a place where the workers are not paid enough to make a decent living.
Yes, I would pay more and still shop at Walmart IF the employees were compensated more.
But, realistically Corporations are really greedy and want to pocket as much cash as possible and P--- on the worker.
--Justin
Watch who you are calling Union thugs.
There are many TDR members here that belong to Unions, including myself.
You havent had a raise in 2. 5 years? Sure sounds like your whining about it to me.
There is nothing wrong with an organized group of workers negotiating to better their circumstances.
Wal-Mart, now there is a place where the workers are not paid enough to make a decent living.
Yes, I would pay more and still shop at Walmart IF the employees were compensated more.
But, realistically Corporations are really greedy and want to pocket as much cash as possible and P--- on the worker.
--Justin
Cross at your own risk!
If you decide to cross a picket line or take the job of a Union worker on strike, then you better be prepared to get your behind busted. I would never cross a picket line, I don't give a hoot how hungry I am, or my family is. It is the every man for himself mentality that has ruined America and continues to pull us down. When I say Wal-mart mentality, I mean who cares who I put out of work, as long as I can get it a buck cheaper!
You can call it socialist, communist, or whatever you want. If there was never any Unions, you would not have paid vacations, health insurance, any raises, or a minimum wage. You also would not even have a chance to start your own buissness. So if you don't like Unions, OK, but at least give them the respect they deserve. As far as I am concerned, I would rather see another Hoffa style Union, bust some heads, then they would think twice about crossing the picket line.
If you decide to cross a picket line or take the job of a Union worker on strike, then you better be prepared to get your behind busted. I would never cross a picket line, I don't give a hoot how hungry I am, or my family is. It is the every man for himself mentality that has ruined America and continues to pull us down. When I say Wal-mart mentality, I mean who cares who I put out of work, as long as I can get it a buck cheaper!
You can call it socialist, communist, or whatever you want. If there was never any Unions, you would not have paid vacations, health insurance, any raises, or a minimum wage. You also would not even have a chance to start your own buissness. So if you don't like Unions, OK, but at least give them the respect they deserve. As far as I am concerned, I would rather see another Hoffa style Union, bust some heads, then they would think twice about crossing the picket line.
If there were never any unions, a lot more work would probably still be done here instead of overseas where it is cheaper. The companies don't take it over there cause they want to, they take it over there cause they have to. Your unions drive the price of everything up, protect the jobs of those who normally deserve to be fired, and hold back the real workers who do deserve more.
My family means a hell of alot more to me than my coworkers, if yours don't then your not doing them any good anyhow.
Did you ever even think that some of the people who cross your lines, namely management, don't have a choice in whether they cross or not? Sure if people cross the line, thump em, but don't be supervised when they thump back.
As for the Walmart workers, if they think they are underpaid, then QUIT, nothing is keeping them there. They stock boxes on shelves, exactly how much should they get for that? If it wasn't for crap hole jobs like Walmart, there would be no good jobs out there. I was turned off of unions the first time I was ever introduced to them. They told me how much my dues were, and I had to pay them even if I didn't join, not a damn word about the benefits of being a Union member. Showed me right where there concern was.
My family means a hell of alot more to me than my coworkers, if yours don't then your not doing them any good anyhow.
Did you ever even think that some of the people who cross your lines, namely management, don't have a choice in whether they cross or not? Sure if people cross the line, thump em, but don't be supervised when they thump back.
As for the Walmart workers, if they think they are underpaid, then QUIT, nothing is keeping them there. They stock boxes on shelves, exactly how much should they get for that? If it wasn't for crap hole jobs like Walmart, there would be no good jobs out there. I was turned off of unions the first time I was ever introduced to them. They told me how much my dues were, and I had to pay them even if I didn't join, not a damn word about the benefits of being a Union member. Showed me right where there concern was.
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