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[KMC]

Lohtka, perhaps I misunderstood your point. But it seems that you when you stated "Criminals are criminals. Doesn't matter how they are pollitically connected (Enron investigation)" you were infering that the Bush's admin. and the Enron folks are criminals. Yet we have no idea at this juncture what went on. If this in not what you were infering then what was your point?



I make no assumption regarding Bush's admin. being bought by big oil. I guess I was trying to refute all the Democrat's and Liberals who are slobbering all over themsleves hoping this Enron thing will be Bush's big downfall. They run anound claiming that Bush has been bought by big oil because of Enron contributions yet fail to mention that Enron gave $100,000's of dollars to both party's over time. In fact it was pretty close to a 50/50 split. Will we see this reported fairly - not likely... .



No I do not suggest Bill Clinton did nothing wrong during his term because he wasn't convicted in a court of law. Same with O. J. So perhaps I employed a double standard here...



I believe Bush to be a honest man, I tuly hope that he does restore integrity and do the things you mention if need be.



As far as Cheney goes if he sold stock after the fall perhaps it was coincidence, perhaps he knew something. If that even occured then the reason is yet to be seen.



Lastly I have no problem with big oil. We need energy from somewhere. It has certainly been kind to your State.



Boy has this thread taken a sidetrack...

 

[Lhotka]

rrausch



You stated, "There are a thousand times more Left wingers & Liberals willing to lie, vandalize, cheat, steal & kill for their cause than Religious folk" and also referred to FBI statistics in your previous post. I was wondering where you got the info to support your above statement.



If you do an in-depth study of crime statistics you'll find that it is actually a small percentage of the population (repeat offenders)that are responsible for most of the crime. A high probability exists that these people do not vote or claim a specific political party. Heck they don't think about much of anything other than who they might victimize next.



Most religions I know of don't require a specific political affiliation of their followers. Democratic or Republican? Liberal or Conservative? Doesn't matter. Neither party has the market on integrity, morality, ect.



There is no doubt that criminal activity occurred before or during the collapse of Enron. Finding out who is responsible is the issue. Will Democrats use this as an opportunity for further their cause? Of course, just as the Republicans did during the Clinton years. That's politics. Live by the sword..... die by the sword.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by rrausch

There are a thousand times more Left wingers & Liberals willing to lie, vandalize, cheat, steal & kill for their cause than Religious folk. The conservative Religious in this country for the most part feel they will eventually have to answer to God for anything wrong that they have done, while the Liberals feel any action at all justifies their sick vision. .

When was the last time an unhappy & unsocialized militant gay blew up a federal building, flew hi-jacked planes into buildings or suicide bombed a pizza parlor? Historically, religion has been the justification for more violence than anything else.

Originally posted by rrausch

White people ended slavery in this country. White people ended racism in this country. Institutional racism is dead. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians can be anything they want to be these days. But it is EVER so convenient to blame "racism" for their plight than to say, "You know... I didn't study enough. "

Racism isn't dead. I don't believe in affirmative action but I'm also observant enough to say to that racism isn't dead. Hell, the evidence is in this thread.



So what's the cause for all the white trash out there? Can it be that they didn't study enough? Maybe, a hard work ethic isn't a natural instinct and is learned/taught. Could it be that conservative values are color blind? As I said earlier, the problem people in society change with time and the development of their economic status. The newest immigrants are usually the lowest level in society and will be the ones sucking up the most social aide. We do live in a caste society whether we are willing to admit it or not.

Originally posted by rrausch

And too, Liberals know if they can make white people feel guilty they can force their sick agenda on them. That is why you see so many TV programs about 1940's and 1950's racism against minorities.

Today there is MANY TIMES more violence against white people, by "people of color" than there is white against minority violence. Minority violence against white people is NOT going to make things equal. It is only going to convince white people that their racist ancestors were RIGHT after all.

Look at some FBI crime statistics! The race ratios of minority violence against white people are frightening.

Can I have some of whatever you're smoking? When was the last time you heard of a white guy being dragged behind a pick-up truck or a white guy being beaten & sodomized by three black police officers? I'm not refuting your claim that there are more crimes commited against whites by 'people of color'. Most of those crimes have an economic up-side for the criminal - it's not right but at least it isn't purely based on the color of somebodies skin. You're a poor black kid in NYC, who are you gonna mug? The black guy that looks like he slept in the gutter or the white guy wearing a Prada suit driving a Lexus?



You want to help solve some of the problems? Get out there and volunteer at an inner city school and teach these young kids to read/write/'rithmatic. Yes, it's the schools & their parents job but it isn't happening. The cycle needs to be broken at the elementary school level - not the college level with remedial classes for 18 yr olds that can't read. I'm not a touchy feely liberal as some of you may think but I do see the problem and the current solutions aren't working. Until there is some parity between the public education available to a urban white kid (me)and inner city kid of 'color' (that didn't eat dinner last night) there will continue to be the problems you all so utterly despise and blame on those evil LIBERALS.



Now I have a question for you. You claim to be a conservative Catholic. What's your position on birth control? I'm sure you have some enlightening views on "welfare momma's". You're not going to be able to prevent men/women (or boys/girls) from having sex but you can prevent a child from being conceived and having the welfare rolls increased.



BTW, when are you going to move to Idaho? I hear Tom Metzger's old place is for sale.



Brian

 

[baby.driver]

THEY have you right where they want you

Some thoughts perhaps a few of us have overlooked.



The welfare system seeks out those it wants ensnared. The ignorant are easily trapped. Immigrants are for the most part ignorant when they get here, making them prime candidates for those that push the welfare drug.



While this is happening, their children are miseducated in our public schools with the very same liberal agenda fed their parents at the welfare office.



It may be the young ones revolt (gangs etc. ) because deep inside they know they are being lied to.

Think about it. I'll use some stuff from my early years to elaborate.

From elementary school we are told we live in a free country and that we were fair and just. you know, "land of the free home of the brave". how about "Liberty and justice for all". Ring any bells?

Ever try to get a job when you were 12? I did and was refused because I needed a permit from school. Say what?

Or how about " you got a social security card son?" Huh?

The same school system telling me I lived in a free country was doing it's best to make me into a little socialist.

FBI statistics? Who reads those? Anyone who believes ANY government statistics from, say the JFK hit on to our present time is living in Lala land.

Find me a republican who repeals the hogwash passed into law by the demos, and I'll vote for him. Trouble is they don't.

Can anyone say "Escalante?" There will ALWAYS be some crisis somewhere that precludes the repeal of these strangling laws laid upon us.

Immigrants are not the problem. The gov't that lets them in is the problem.

Welfare is not the problem. Those that administrate it are the problem.

Gang members start out as kids. How did they get to be gangs?

Pretend you are an illegal immigrant with kids. You came here for the better life. Work is real hard to find with no papers, but someone mentions welfare, how you don't need papers with them. You're hooked!

Your kid starts to go wrong so you spank him. He tells the class and the teach calls the cops! How dare you spank your kid! You want to ruin him?

This crap about US, members of the TDR (both registered and not) griping all around a problem and never focusing on the real problems is just that, CRAP!

United we stand? My rearend!

Uncontrolled and controlled immigration, the school system, most of the laws on the books (enforced that is) today are there to repress and DIVIDE us. Ever hear "a house divided against itself cannot stand"? How about "Divide and conquer"?

The WTC was not attacked from without but from within. Your loving government let them in. They were legal residents in all respects. Our government CAUSES most of our problems, and to remedy them causes more problems.

I'm tired of typing.



Jay

 

[KMC]

Some good points there baby. driver. Reminds me of one of my favorite Barry Goldwater quotes:



"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution, or that have failed in their purpose, or that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden.



"I will not attempt to discover whether legislation is 'needed' before I have first determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later be attacked for neglecting my constituents' 'interests,' I shall reply that I was informed their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I am doing the very best I can. "

 

[Don M]

Brian wrote:



"When was the last time an unhappy & unsocialized militant gay blew up a federal building, flew hi-jacked planes into buildings or suicide bombed a pizza parlor?"



There’s the case of Jesse Dirkhising, on September 26, 1999, a thirteen-year-old boy from Arkansas that was drugged, bound, gagged and raped repeatedly by two homosexual hairdressers until they finally killed him.

You prolly dont recall that huh? Betcha can remember the name Matthew Shepard from Wyoming though!



Brian wrote:

Can I have some of whatever you're smoking? When was the last time you heard of a white guy being dragged behind a pick-up truck or a white guy being beaten & sodomized by three black police officers?



Betcha never heard of the Witchita Kansas case either.

The Wichita Horror is an indescribably gruesome case were two black men on December 14th of last year busted into a home during the height of the holiday season and abducted five young adults. The victims, all white, both male and female, were taken to a nearby soccer field were they were forced at gunpoint to strip and perform sex acts on each other. The women were even forced to engage in homosexual acts. After enduring such torture they were all shot in the head. The lone survivor, a girl that discovered that she was to be engaged that evening when the perpetrators uncovered the engagement ring that her boyfriend bought her, ran naked dripping with blood until she was found by local residents. She later told about her "to be husband had to watch her perform oral sex on them before he was shot to death"



Do you remember the gang of blacks in Alabama during the election time? 25 black men raped a young white girl for 2 days before releasing her. Can you recall that one? Prolly not.



Here is little story from your corner of the country

http://www.komotv.com/stories/16263.htm



I have a comment on the 300 pound Compton queens. You breed, You feed. You dont, We wont.



Brian wrote:

"there will continue to be the problems you all so utterly despise and blame on those evil LIBERALS. "



Social Democrats don't vote piety, character OR goodness. Those are qualities reserved solely for the opponents of socialism. Media shills see to it that we hold only liberty-loving candidates to these standards, developed by and for the express purpose of disqualifying enemies of the left. Socialists are of course, immune from such scrutiny, for they are, by definition, pious. They have noble goals and therefore noble souls. They use government muscle to rearrange our assets, and deliver them to the "needy" as defined the ruling junta whose philosophy is, "To each according to their political positioning, from each, according to our need for cash". That philosophy sells well to government workers, the aging, blacks, immigrants, and women who want government-as-surrogate parent or provider.



It's called social "justice" for some, and asset forfeiture for those who resist. Winners become losers and the aforementioned groups are the beneficiaries. It's tribal politics of class envy, warfare and ethnic hatred.



Take away the freebies and the freebie seekers either shape up or ship out.



Brian wrote:

BTW, when are you going to move to Idaho? I hear Tom Metzger's old place is for sale



Take it easy on Idaho there Brian. Nice place, nice people. ooopps there goes those generalizations again.



Don~

 

[QRTRHRS]

If you take the time to look back at immigration patterns, you will find that most ethnic groups arrived poor and lived in abject poverty. That may have been a good excuse at the turn of the century but is it viable today? Not in my opinion. People should be eduacated enough to know better today.



The largest city that I live and work near is Allentown, PA. The general consenses is that the hispanics have ruined the city. Is this a racist statement? Would you live there? Everyone that can is leaving like rats on a New York docked freighter. Are all these people racists?



You can call me what you want but basically my feeling is I don't care what color you are, or who you call god. To me either you contribute to a modern society or you are a piece of trash. No education, that is not my fault. Drugs or alcohol or a brutal father? Bull. Pull up your pants and act like a man.



I think back to when I took basic training in the army. Of 225 men, 200 were shipped up to Dix from down south. There was one person who did not understand the theory behind soap and water after a long day. Lo and behold, his compatriots "splained" it to him.



Get my drift? Take care of your own. Pick a group. They ***** about white cops. Make a bunch of their own cops. What happens? Their own kind will beat on them same as anyone. Trash is trash.



Flame on.

 

[rrausch]

The last FBI crime stats. I have, for one year in the early 1990's showed around 200 black women raped by White perps. In that same year almost 20,000 White women were raped by Black perps. I got those stats off of a Jewish, Republican web site. (I'll try to check these #'s)

Larry Elder, the black, conservative L. A. talk show host (KABC-790) frequently makes the same point. Minority crime against Whites is an epidemic in urban areas and goes virtually unreported.



Don is correct.

The Liberal Media will NOT report crime against Whites if the perps are "people of color". If it does, it will be like the OJ case, where the media kept speculating OJ might be innocent. It will NOT report child murders or child rapes by "gay" Monsters. It might report the murder of a kid, but the perp will not be identified as a homo, even if torture and rape were involved. The Media lets those stores die fast. But let some racist White idiot do something and the cameras are on him like Ducks on a Junebug. This is to instill a sense of GUILT in white people so they can be controlled more easily by the Liberal media. And it WORKS!



OK, here are some 1995 Crime Stats. from the Dept of Justice Website.

If you are White male, you have a 2. 5% chance of doing time in your lifetime.

If you are Black male, you have a 16. 2% chance of doing time in your lifetime.

If you are Hisp. male, you have a 9. 4% chance of doing time in your lifetime.

(doing time in State or Fed. prison--city jails weren't included in the study)



This may be for another year, but the same DOJ website said this too:

"Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4. 4% of white males. "

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm