I am going to throw up....WHERE IS THE EDGE BOX!

[KLockliear]

Our MB103 kit is wastegated at no more than 40psi. The stock head gasket should take 55psi before popping.

 

[Mopar_Mudder]

Originally posted by CLAYTON

All my money goes to my wifes expensive tastes

Ha I wish that was the case, it is better then to the X-Wife.....

 

[98rammer]

wow nick, you know, i'm about a month younger than you, but act many years older than you.



i'm not into personal attacks on the boards, leave that to phone, personal, e mail, or PM's. it's gets us nowhere. just have a little respect for people and they'll respect you back (regardless of your age, truck, etc. ).



unfortunately i do see where you're coming from and have been seeing that a lot of companies have bad customer relations. great products, great mechanics/crew, but bad customer relations. in the end, those who provide the general best will stay afloat- that's why piers, diesel dynamics, wildcat, mass diesel here for us northeasterners, and a lot of others have a great business going.



if you're not happy, go with someone else. it's called "Free Enterprise".



Tom

 

[XcumminsX]

98 rammer, thanks for the advice/comment. Was it hard for you to "grow up" on the tdr?

 

[Rman]

x he was just pointing something out... making an innocent observation and you dart off with another 'punk kid attitude' comment. One day you'll learn to just take one on the chin and deal with it, until then try not to keep spreading your (insert your word of choice) around here.

 

[XcumminsX]

Uh,,,,what are you talking about... Looking at his post i can see what i need to work on.

 

[Rman]

i rest my case... forget it.

 

[JDailey]

you are hopeless XX.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Let me take this point to remind everyone of the forum guidelines ( https://www.turbodieselregister.com/guidelines.htm ), specifically:

2. Conduct. The TDR encourages lively and informative discussion among Discussion Forum participants. But keep it clean and productive. Do not use or allow others to use your subscription to:



2. 1 Repeatedly post any material that the moderators feel is antagonistic to others or instigates non-productive conflict between users as well as vendors.

Not everyone has the same amount of experience as others. This site is for EVERYONE - whether they know absolutely nothing about our trucks or are an expert. The type of behavior I see on this thread by some people will not be tolerated. Knock it off.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

 

[fencebuilders]

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

Let me take this piont to remind everyone of the forum guidelines ( https://www.turbodieselregister.com/guidelines.htm ), specifically:







Not everyone has the same amount of experience as others. This site is for EVERYONE - whether they know absolutely nothing about our trucks or are an expert. The type of behavior I see on this thread by some people will not be tolerated. Knock it off.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

Amen!

 

[Dean Upson]

Thank you, Steve.



Dean

 

[bmoeller]

xcx, if you want 4 gauges, have you considered S. P. A. Technique gauges? They are 2 in 1 gauges. They are pricey though. Then you would only need a dual gauge mount.



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[lil red cummins]

after reading all 5 pages of this thread, and many others in the 3rd gen forums, i still have a question.

say my target bomb is 500 hp/1000 tq, which is obviously obtainable. if i add the new TST box when it comes out, what else would I need to get to my target. will the stock turbo be OK? are there good drop in replacement injectors for these '04 trucks. do i NEED different injectors. the DD 2's and 3's normally mentioned here are not for 3rd gens are they?? my driving does not include trailering. this is basically a daily driver/commuter (and a darn nice one at that!). i am mainly interested in 1/4 mile type acceleration and then getting off it.



i guess i need some clarity on these points. please advise folks.



jim

 

[BillGotthelf]

Lil Red if you want 500 hp and plan on towing alot use twins. With a single turbo you can get 500 hp with injectors, box and exhaust. But it will be more lagy than stock and towing will be off the chart on egts. Some of the guys will tell you that you can regulate egts with your right foot sure as long as you tow in flat land. I could not believe the egt drop with twins. You can use smaller injectors (less smoke) and get good throttle response too.

 

[KLockliear]

Bill, I beg to differ. At 500hp, the EGT's are more manageable than stock with the single turbo kit we offer now. One customer of ours has it on his 03 with our airbox, gauges, exhaust and just the TTPM and reported EGT's over 300* lower while towing 12k than stock made empty.



Lilredcummins - 500hp is achieveable now. Any way you slice 500hp, the stock turbo will NOT support it EGT wise or flow wise. You will have to step up to a larger turbo regardless, to achieve that power level useably.



With the new timing/pulsewidth box that is coming, I would expect almost 200hp gain with just the two boxes. That puts a HO truck very close to 500hp with just electronics and a turbo. Injectors can add that much more, but they are also available now.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I run pretty hard and haul heavy all the time. I know I only run a SO truck but with the DD TTPM and DDII's with the DD pusherpump, I can run all day with 10,000 in tow and not even hit 1200* until 85 mph. I can peg 1450* in fourth gear but as soon as I shift and rpm's go to 2200 I drop 400*. I probably only make 350 HP total. With the box that is coming from edge, I hope to see 500 HP. Here is my ?

Kieth,

Will your turbo still support that amount of power on a SO truck?



Thanks, Greg

 

[lil red cummins]

thank you keith, thats the kind of info i am looking for.

it looks like the turbo is a definite and that is good to know.

i am not sure if i understand completely about the "two" boxes area. are you saying that if the two new boxes are stacked they will equal around 200 gain with the turbo or are you saying either one of the new boxes only with a turbo will do it.



on the injector side, what would i expect to see with a turbo and injectors only with no box? as you say, the injectors are here now.



obviously it will be necessary to talk in person when i get closer to actually doing this. i am only in planning (budgeting) stage. my optimistic plan is to get this done in early summer.



thanks

jim

 

[XcumminsX]

Keith would you recomend stacking the boxes?

 

[CLAYTON]

When you get to those hp levels don't you have to upgrade the trans? I thought the 48RE is good up to 400rwhp.

 

[KLockliear]

Greg, 500hp is 500hp. This turbo will support the airflow for 500hp. With everything currently available (TTPM/DD3's/Turbo) you will gain right at 200rwhp. The (250hp) SO makes about 235 at the wheels. The (235hp) SO CA model makes about 200 at the wheels. Add 200rwhp to that figure- whichever fits for your truck- and that's about where you'll be.



Lilredcummins. The currently availabe TTPM or EZ rail pressure box will make 65-70hp on an otherwise stock truck. If you have an HO, that should take you from the 275-280hp range to around 350hp. The upcoming timing/pulsewidth box has been rumored to make over 125hp by itself. That would put you in the 475hp range if all we did was add the power together. My guess is that the combination make make even more power when run together.



For example, in our testing, our Stage 2 injectors will add 75-80rwhp on a stock truck. The TTPM will add 65-70hp on a stock truck. Individually, that should add up to 145hp minimum. When put on a truck together, they make more like 170hp. This is due to the compounding effect of larger injectors and more fuel pressure.



When the new box comes out, there will be another compounding effect of pulsewidth as well. Let's think of it like this. If the injector is commanded to be open for 3 milliseconds, with 23000psi, it flows "X" fuel into the cylinder. If we raise the fuel pressure to 25000psi, now that "X" is raised as the fuel is pressed in harder, which means more flows through. With injectors, we make the holes slightly bigger, and smoother for fuel flow, meaning more can come through (among other things). So now, we're pushing more through with more pressure, and have a bigger hole, so those two compound each other. With the upcoming timing/pulsewidth box, we will now be able to increase that puslewidth from 3ms to say 3. 5ms... now we have more pressure coming through a bigger orifice for more time. See how it all add up?



Now, on to the injectors/turbo question. You have to have the TTPM if you are going to run injectors... this is because you have to have the MAP limiting (boost module) feature. This is built into the TTPM. It allows you to make any boost level without setting the check engine light and defueling the truck. You could run any level of injector, the TTPM and turbo kit and produce a decent amount of power. Most of the trucks we have done have come out in the following fashion:



HO + TTPM + Stage1 + turbo = 410rwhp

HO + TTPM + Stage2 + turbo = 470rwhp

HO + TTPM + Stage3 + turbo = 500rwhp



HO's generally make 275-280rwhp here, so those numbers are based on that starting point.



XCX, I do not see any problem with stacking the boxes logically. Until we actually test it, I can't say - but I don't think it will be a problem.



Clayton, you are correct. The 48RE is limited at 400-410rwhp in stock form. Any more power with that trans will require an upgrade. We have always used DTT with great results. Manuals require a clutch upgrade at 350hp for 6-speeds and 325hp for 5-speeds, but then they are good to go.