Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) I do not believe in Fuel Additives, BUT!

[Froadin]

Oh, I have an OLD Allis Chalmers bulldozer with a 671 in it.
Sure makes those SLOW Cat motors sound like dogs when that detriot revs up so nicely! Squat for bottom end torque though, and that is needed in any crawler application.

 

[Texas Diesel]

I have been using 2 cycle oil in the fuel since 2001. I took all kinds of heck for doing so, even had one "expert" here suggest the 2 cycle oil was the cause of my LP failure(s).



Glad to see the idea is catching on. No reason to spend$$$ on high tech products, all your injection pump needs is lubricity.

 

[Froadin]

Glad to see the idea is catching on. No reason to spend$$$ on high tech products, all your injection pump needs is lubricity.

Which is an even great statement for running the bio. Not many lubricants cost about $3 gallon.

And that report was showing those results with only a 2% concentration!

So, half a gallon of BD @ $1. 50 per tank. This seems fairly cheap to me.



Plus it's the fuel itself!



Now to wait for it to be more popular and an overall much better product (too many bad batches from less then stellar dealer of BD because there are no REAL standards for it yet).



As asked before, anyone run the 2 cycle oil WITH the BD?

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

I have been using 2 cycle oil in the fuel since 2001. I took all kinds of heck for doing so, even had one "expert" here suggest the 2 cycle oil was the cause of my LP failure(s).



Glad to see the idea is catching on. No reason to spend$$$ on high tech products, all your injection pump needs is lubricity.

any particular brands of 2 cycle?

 

[Texas Diesel]

None. I buy (and always have) the Walmart Tech 2000 whatever 2 cycle oil. The boat forum boys say it is repackaged Mercury Quick Silver, a good brand.



Any approved 2 cycle oil will work. 2 cycle oil just works well because it is 99%+ ash free.

 

[2broke2smoke]

I started adding 1oz of 2 stroke per gallon 2 tanks ago and I'm seeing about 1/2 MPG increase on the same route. It is also noticeably quieter. I am, however, getting fuel from a pump which is still labeled "low sulpher" 500 ppm or less. Not sure if they just have not updated the label or not.

1 oz per gallon?



what's that cost a fillup?

 

[mhenon]

Going back to the BD, would there be any added improvement to add 2-cycle to that?

I can't imagine any advantage to mixing 2 stroke oil with bio but it's not going to hurt anything. I use to add 2 stroke oil to both the Dodge and the Jetta. Now that B10 is available locally there's just no need for the oil.

Mike

 

[Forrest Nearing]

Plus it's the fuel itself!

diesel is a fuel oil... two cycle is just thicker than diesel... but it's still fuel

 

[fairmont]

1 oz per gallon?



what's that cost a fillup?

About $3. 00. ((24 Gal. Fuel / 24 Oz Oil. $. 97/8 Oz. bottle)) Would be cheaper if I bought it by the gallon, But I like the convenience of having it packaged in 8 Oz. throwaways.

 

[Hitec.Redneck]

About $3. 00. ((24 Gal. Fuel / 24 Oz Oil. $. 97/8 Oz. bottle)) Would be cheaper if I bought it by the gallon, But I like the convenience of having it packaged in 8 Oz. throwaways.

Check at your local WallyMart, they have a nice clear funnel with ounce markings on it. You can then buy the gallon jug of the house brand there for @$9. 00. The funnel makes it easy to measure and it even has a twist valve and a clear extension tube that makes it easy to get it in the tank without spilling it and it comes with a lid to keep it clean. I am on my second gallon, truck runs much quieter, smooth idle, and still getting between 21 and 23 mph.

 

[AKaiser]

I can't imagine any advantage to mixing 2 stroke oil with bio but it's not going to hurt anything. I use to add 2 stroke oil to both the Dodge and the Jetta. Now that B10 is available locally there's just no need for the oil.

Mike

B10? B2 was plenty, according to this test. Heck, B1 would've sufficed, going by the numbers. I've been filling with B2 on 99% of my miles.

 

[AKaiser]

Oh, I have an OLD Allis Chalmers bulldozer with a 671 in it.

Sure makes those SLOW Cat motors sound like dogs when that detriot revs up so nicely! Squat for bottom end torque though, and that is needed in any crawler application.

Makes you appreciate those "SLOW" Cat (and Cummins, Mack, IH DT, etc) motors, doesn't it? :-laf Personally, I prefer the slow rumble of a good HD inline 6 diesel over the growl of a V-type Detroit 2 stroke.

 

[mhenon]

B10? B2 was plenty, according to this test. Heck, B1 would've sufficed, going by the numbers. I've been filling with B2 on 99% of my miles.

B10 is what they sell at the pump. I would go with a higher ratio of bio if it was available. Both the Dodge and Jetta really liked B20 but it's no longer available.

There's more than lubricity at issue here. Biodiesel supports the local economy (farmers) and keeps the money at home... where it belongs.

Mike

 

[DLGonzo]

Old E300D and '98. 5 CTD love the BD in all ratios, especially b100 when it's warm. Runs quiet and smooth. Smoke is quite a bit less and different color. More of a dark brown than a Complete black out. Sometimes I miss the smoke

 

[AFoulk]

I've been running the 2 stroke oil in my fuel for the last couple months, and didn't think it was doing much of anything, other than giving me a little more haze out the tailpipe. Well, the last tank, I add some total power additive to my fuel and didn't use any 2stroke, and again, nothing seemed much different. Then yesterday I filled up and added 2stroke again, and I definately notice a difference now. The engine seems to run a little smoother, and it just seems "snappier. " Can't say I've noticed an improvement in fuel mileage or reduction in noise, but I guess I just didn't take notice to the smoother idle and acceleration before. I'm definately sold on the stuff.

 

[AKaiser]

B10 is what they sell at the pump. I would go with a higher ratio of bio if it was available. Both the Dodge and Jetta really liked B20 but it's no longer available.

There's more than lubricity at issue here. Biodiesel supports the local economy (farmers) and keeps the money at home... where it belongs.

Mike

Mike, you're preaching to the choir. My Dad farms. My point was, for lubricity, B2 is more than sufficient. It's the superior product. BTW, did they sell B2 there before, or B5? I only know of one place in Indiana that sells above B5, and that's in Noblesville, about 40 miles away and in the wrong direction (North). It's the COOP, and they sell B2, 10 and 20. My brother-in-law fuels there when he comes down in the truck (usu w/horse trailer) with baby sis.

 

[mhenon]

Mike, you're preaching to the choir. My Dad farms.

OK... I'll stop preaching. I just try to support this stuff (alternative homegrown fuels) whenever possible. We just had a local bio-plant open up and supplying the area stations with B10. To find out that it's tops in lubricity is a bonus.

Mike

 

[Froadin]

diesel is a fuel oil... two cycle is just thicker than diesel... but it's still fuel

Very true, I was vague in my statement, as I was referring more to the fuel additives.

Still, having just your fuel do all the work is a great thing, less additives needed (not that BD doesn't need a lot for winter driving).

Makes you appreciate those "SLOW" Cat (and Cummins, Mack, IH DT, etc) motors, doesn't it? :-laf Personally, I prefer the slow rumble of a good HD inline 6 diesel over the growl of a V-type Detroit 2 stroke.

Oh yeah, the slow Cat motor would have been better. Those Detroits are great for boats though. My 671 was the inline, so it wasn't the POS that those V types are/were.



I always go out of my way to run the bio when I can. But it IS 70 miles out of the way, and not open all the hours I need.