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[Diesel Freak]

Marco, if there is not a limit in the pump programming..... explain why... ...



I have done tons of research into CAN, J1939 and other associated protocols to determine how the ECM and pump communicate. There is a limit... if not prove me wrong.



At work (Intel) I use a similar system all the time... . but it uses a different protocol. (LON Works)





Peace!

 

[Diesel Freak]

TTT

Anyone got some new ideas?

 

[SmokinJoe]

Re: TTT

Originally posted by Diesel Freak

Anyone got some new ideas?

Do you know what processor you are running on? Do you know how to write machine code for that processor?

 

[Diesel Freak]

Re: Re: TTT

Originally posted by Smokin Joe





Do you know what processor you are running on?

Do you know how to write machine code for that processor?

Machine Code as in Binary?

 

[Diesel Freak]

TTT

Just thought I would revive this since I have some free time today at work. Does anyone have some new ideas?

 

[EagleEye]

LOTS...

But still skiddish on dropping the cash for a serious CAN sniffer.



But this is not dead yet. Options, options options... money, money, money... info, info, info... hack, hack, hack, etc.



Time is starting to work for me instead of me against it, so I should be able to spend more of it on this project. And after the holidays, money won't be so tight.



The sniffers I'm checking into may require an upgrade on my laptop. SERIOUS number crunching and info in a short time span. Don't know if my current laptop can handle it, so may have to upgrade that in this process also.



This idea is not dead, just kinda sleepy at the moment...

 

[Diesel Freak]

I think Dearborn Group sells one... ... I can not remember what the cost is. Do you know if it is Flashable like the Inline II adapter? Will it hold the "proper" incryption algorythm to reprogram the ECM, or will it just allow you to see streaming CAN data?

 

[EagleEye]

Checked that one...

DG does sell one, but I didn't like what I heard from the techs. LOTS of money, and no guarantees. That's why I've been searching others, with more options. CAN is getting more mainstream by the minute, and applications are finally catching up. I imagine prices will be dropping soon also.

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

OK,ok,ok I'm interested!!!



I'm a geek too. I'm a JD edwards ERP developer and have a BS in comp sci. 0after reading the info in the links and all the posts I'm drooling.



Bear with me...



I gather that the CAN is like ethernet. . a protocol. meaning it specifies the layout of the data in the packets that are basically broadcast on a mini LAN on our truck. . WAY COOL. The can standard specifies max mumber of nodes(30), size of LAN(40m), and baud rate (250kbps). Neat in a geeky kinda way.



The only hard limits here are the 40m and 250k. . the 30 nodes is probably a good networking standard to prevent high collision rates.



I would be that the plug-n-play fuel boxes are bisecting the bus then blocking certain packets and transmitting the rest in a two way set-up. it basically reads both sides and selectively transmitts data from one side to the othher and visa-versa.



While doing this it recalculates the values for the packets that it intercepts, alters them and passes them on. Out pacing the bus is easy when its so slow. Just think how hard it would be to out run a 100mbps connection!!!



The question is do we want to re-flash the ecm or just fool it like the current boxes do? basically the current boxes are a mini ecm that takes over the core functions of the engine and leaves the rest up to the oem ecm ( idiot lights, guages, heater grids etc)



Feed me some more info and your own conclusions and lets see if we can't fill in the gaps.



Marco, please gimme a call or drop a note. I have a few questions better not asked or answered here.



-- email address removed --

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918 521 8666

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick

OK,ok,ok I'm interested!!!



I'm a geek too. I'm a JD edwards ERP developer and have a BS in comp sci. 0after reading the info in the links and all the posts I'm drooling.



Bear with me...



I gather that the CAN is like ethernet. . a protocol. meaning it specifies the layout of the data in the packets that are basically broadcast on a mini LAN on our truck. . WAY COOL. The can standard specifies max mumber of nodes(30), size of LAN(40m), and baud rate (250kbps). Neat in a geeky kinda way.



--That is exactly the way I interpret it.



The only hard limits here are the 40m and 250k. . the 30 nodes is probably a good networking standard to prevent high collision rates.



I would be that the plug-n-play fuel boxes are bisecting the bus then blocking certain packets and transmitting the rest in a two way set-up. it basically reads both sides and selectively transmitts data from one side to the othher and visa-versa.



--The earlier Diablo Pucks were this interupter type. . now they are a one way unit... . which I think they just modify the signal going to the pump and not going back to the ECM.



While doing this it recalculates the values for the packets that it intercepts, alters them and passes them on. Out pacing the bus is easy when its so slow. Just think how hard it would be to out run a 100mbps connection!!!



The question is do we want to re-flash the ecm or just fool it like the current boxes do? basically the current boxes are a mini ecm that takes over the core functions of the engine and leaves the rest up to the oem ecm ( idiot lights, guages, heater grids etc)



--From what I have gathered the only way yo get some major power from the engine without tapping the pump wire, both the ECM and the VP44 need to be reprogramed with matching fueling maps. If we just reflash the ECM we will be limited to about 320 HP at the flywheel using 275 injectors



Feed me some more info and your own conclusions and lets see if we can't fill in the gaps.



Marco, please gimme a call or drop a note. I have a few questions better not asked or answered here.



--Good luck, he is in it to make money... . he has been a little tight lipped... . but that depnds on the question you ask him. I just want to do it for bragging rights (400 hp with no add on boxes) and personal enrichment

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

Diesel freak,

I'm with you . . 400 hp w/no boxes would rock. What product does Marco sell? does he have web site?



It sounds like he has reflased or moded the ecm somehow. either way, very cool.



Later,

Mark

 

[Diesel Freak]

Marco does not sell anything yet..... but his "partners in crime" are at



www.smokindiesel.com



400 HP would require at least the addition of DD3's or SM's along with an ECM reflash.

 

[Diesel Freak]

for those of you currious about CAN



go here



http://www.mjschofield.com/





enjoy

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

So what's he up to that is so secret?



I've read all about the CAN, but I have to admit I get glazed pretty quick



What have you found out?

 

[Diesel Freak]

TTT

 

[Diesel Freak]

kick

 

[shaft]

Re: Big Brother Is Watching

Originally posted by B9Mile

Now that we are getting into some interesting aspects of the ECM and other things, be very careful what you say on this board.



Once upon a time there was a poster (CMECHANIC) who was leaned on very hard by his employer and others. Somebody even sent him a virus, which was pretty hard on his 'puter.



For those that doubt, take a look at the form for TDR subscriptions. Why do you think a VIN # is asked for?



I'm sure its for "Marketing Purposes Only" !!

Hmmmm you sure about that?... ..... I just signed up a few days ago and was NOT asked for my VIN#

 

[shaft]

Re: Re: Big Brother Is Watching

Originally posted by TowPro

i don't remember being asked for my VIN, Maybe its something new?

Nope... I believe it was something old... ... . I just registered this past weekend and was not asked either... ...

 

[Diesel Freak]

Digging deep, and bringing an old thread to the surface again.

 

[pcarlson]

DF,



I inquired 8 months ago about the software from Cummins and if I remember right the cost was about $850 for the Insite Pro and the ESDN license is yearly. The adapter was about $200.



Cummins didn't think that all the software was programable with the Dodge ECM. But was just guessing as they never did one.



Then I asked Brian at Edge Products why my EZ can not be programed with higher numbers and he basically told me it was because of the program in the VP not the ECM. Hence we need a tap at the pump.



Now I could have misunderstood but I think if it was possible it would already be here (Ez Plus, etc). So I didn't buy the software from Cummins to modify my ECM and not be able to take advantage of the power increase. Alot of money for a "What If".