intakes

[TKoontz]

banks has there high ram intakes on sale and am tring to talk myself into bying one. what are the benifits, milage ,lower egt?





2004 mega cab 8foot bed smarty jr all is stock.

 

[MChrist]

I don't think you'll notice any difference, really. I began noticing that lots of guys with big hp numbers still use the stock intake horn. Yes, it looks very restrictive, but when they've spent thousands on their motors, why wouldn't they spend a little more on something so simple to change out? Makes you wonder.
I have a CFM+ and although it's rated quite well on dyno tests, I can't honestly say that I would notice it if you snuck the stock intake horn on and didn't tell me. I don't think I'd say " Hey, what happened to my truck, it's so slow now!!!"

 

[CKelley1]

as mchrist said. i also have the cfm+ and it was rated the best but when we were testing for mpg improvements it did not produce any measurable difference

 

[TKoontz]

thanks for the replays, just talked me out of it. i will save the money and invest it a fass pump. trucks got 150000and scense it is new to me i think would be a better investment.

 

[MChrist]

I would talk to a few more people about a Fass unit. Aside from being louder than stock, I haven't heard any definitive info. Due diligence.

 

[JExum]

I have the cfm intake and do feel it helped some on hp and just barely on the mpgs like less than a 1/2mpg. But it did help my egts by 50-100 degrees.

 

[Mobius1]

Yeah same here, not so much power but a little cooler egt.

 

[AHolt]

I took out the soft plug in front of # 1 & 6 cyl.

Made 2 plugs 4" x 1 1/2" soft plug holes are 1 1/2"

Inserted them in head, look straight in on top of cp3

that is 1, at the end of intake is 6. I took 1 1/2"

piping to midas had them bend 45 and flair ends.

I took out torque tube drilled 2 holes, welded 2

short pipes in tube, used hose and clamps to bring

everything together. 50 drop in egts on highway

150 on wot run. The biggest expense hose and clamps.

 

[CKelley1]

i agree on the fass, it is not worth it. you can gut and port the grid heater for nothing and get more benefit than a horn. if you go by a cummins place you can pick up a delete spacer #3922484 for about $25. spend your money on 2 micron fuel filtration. it is well worth it. pm me if you do it and will send pix and part #'s

 

[AH64ID]

An intake isn't needed with the power adders you have in your sig. The OE intake will easily support 450 rwhp.

If you are wanting to spend money on your intake then look into the following, they have given me quantifiable and provable results.

GDP Intake Horn (quicker spool, decreased Intake Air Temps, and lower peak boost (I hit 30 psi by 1950 rpms, vs 2100 with the stock horn)
Airaid MIT (quicker spool, decreased IAT's)
Home Depot CAI (increased airflow at higher boost/rpm levels, decreased IAT's)

Also if you can find one get a lower intake elbow (just before the turbo inlet) from a 04. 5-07 5. 9, they have directional fins that are said to increase turbo efficiency by up to 30%.

I have all the items listed and my boost comes on quicker and harder and the intake air temps were almost cut in half under normal cruise.




As far as a FASS, get a fuel psi gauge first, and 2um filtration and see if you are running our of pressure.

 

[TimothyLong]

I have the Banks High Ram intake on my truck along with a Six Gun package. It lowered my EGT's and helped the truck "breathe" a little easier, but that's about it. I don't do any heavy towing so, this all the advantage I got from it. You get the best benefit if you tow a lot and get the Techni-Cooler intercooler to go with it. I'm not going to say it's not worth getting because having lower EGT's, no matter how you drive your truck, is a good thing. But what I will say is that if you can find an equivalent, like a CFM, for less money than the Banks or you have something else on your "toy" list that will cost the same, I would say go with that.

 

[AH64ID]

I have the Banks High Ram intake on my truck along with a Six Gun package. It lowered my EGT's and helped the truck "breathe" a little easier, but that's about it. I don't do any heavy towing so, this all the advantage I got from it. You get the best benefit if you tow a lot and get the Techni-Cooler intercooler to go with it. I'm not going to say it's not worth getting because having lower EGT's, no matter how you drive your truck, is a good thing. But what I will say is that if you can find an equivalent, like a CFM, for less money than the Banks or you have something else on your "toy" list that will cost the same, I would say go with that.

I am always very skeptical of actual EGT reductions on cold air intakes. The reason is that the stock setup runs very cool, the most I have ever seen above ambient (in the manifold) is 45*, and that was sustained 32 psi boost, towing up a 7* grade, a/c on, 95* out. The rest of the time its about +30* max, and normal cruise is about 10-15* above ambient (the mods I have done brought that down to 6-12* above ambient).



Several independent testers have found for every deg of reduction of intake air you get about 1. 5* reduction in EGTs (same works for a rise). So if you take +45* over stock and drop it the full 45* (which is impossible) you will see only 67* reduction in EGT's, but at WOT and full boost I would be surprised if you got a 20* reduction over stock, which is only a 30* EGT drop which is very hard to quantify.



I feel the same about intercoolers, if you not flowing at least 50% more air than stock your really won't see much of a decrease as stock is very efficient. Now if you have a open air intake that pulls hot enigne bay air then a CAI will make a big difference, or an intercooler. . But going from stock with about 100hp over stock I don't think the results will be noticeable on most trucks.



This is the reason I did the mods I did to my intake, and not a CAI. The parts I replaced were the OEM choke points designed to reduce noise and reduce install time.

 

[TimothyLong]

I am always very skeptical of actual EGT reductions on cold air intakes. The reason is that the stock setup runs very cool, the most I have ever seen above ambient (in the manifold) is 45*, and that was sustained 32 psi boost, towing up a 7* grade, a/c on, 95* out. The rest of the time its about +30* max, and normal cruise is about 10-15* above ambient (the mods I have done brought that down to 6-12* above ambient).



Several independent testers have found for every deg of reduction of intake air you get about 1. 5* reduction in EGTs (same works for a rise). So if you take +45* over stock and drop it the full 45* (which is impossible) you will see only 67* reduction in EGT's, but at WOT and full boost I would be surprised if you got a 20* reduction over stock, which is only a 30* EGT drop which is very hard to quantify.



I feel the same about intercoolers, if you not flowing at least 50% more air than stock your really won't see much of a decrease as stock is very efficient. Now if you have a open air intake that pulls hot enigne bay air then a CAI will make a big difference, or an intercooler. . But going from stock with about 100hp over stock I don't think the results will be noticeable on most trucks.



This is the reason I did the mods I did to my intake, and not a CAI. The parts I replaced were the OEM choke points designed to reduce noise and reduce install time.

I guess I should have provided a bit more information on my last post. My EGT observation was done only after I had installed the Six Gun package but before I installed the High Ram intake. Before installing the Six Gun package, my truck was not equipped to monitor EGT's, so I have no idea what my stock set up was doing. But what I can say, and this is based purely on general observation of the EGT readings from my Power PDA (nothing as scientific as you have presented), is that my EGT's went down about 10* or so after I installed the High Ram intake on top of the Six Gun package. BTW, I am still running the stock intercooler. Perhaps that's not enough to make a difference to warrant spending the money for the High Ram. But it still runs lower EGT's for the way that I drive my truck and in general that's not a bad thing. So, I don't disagree with you at all. Just trying to point out that for the amount of money you would pay for a High Ram intake, you could get some other performance enhancement that would be a better "bang for the buck".