Is it ALIVE when you...

[jtisdale]

Ketchup is made from tomatoes... we all know. The tomato is a living organism. So is Ketchup "alive" when we are eating it?

 

[Rob Thomas]

Uh oh, Doc has highjacked jtisdales user name.



So you have the day off and your bored, eh? Try thinkin' about tappin' the pump wire.







Rob

 

[illflem]

No, it's dead the moment you pick the tomato from the vine.



Where I used to farm we had a fruit stand. There were a few kooks that came by wanting the ultimate in fresh sweet corn and would pay extra to go out in the field to bend the corn stocks over into a pot of boiling water on a campstove.

They were literally cooking the corn alive.

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

That seems more like a Whitmore thang

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Think of it this way.....

Everything is in fact 'alive' - depending on how you view the world. Is something alive merely because some part of it is moving by itself? If so... . read on.



The theory of absolute zero describes a temperature at which all electron motion ceases.



So technically, even if you cooked your food as if you were trying to determine the # of kilo calories in it..... it would still be 'alive'. Those carbon atoms still would have electron movement - unless you suddenly made them VERY cold.



If you want to be a biologist - when homeostasis stops, life as we know it ends.



Homeostasis - definition: The process by which an organism maintains the "constancy" of its internal environment.



The tomato is a fruit of an organism which bears it - since it has a vine, one would expect that any processes occuring inside of it would cease shortly after the umbilical was severed.



So the answer to your question is yes and no - it all depends on whether you are a physicist or a biologist.



Matt

 

[BIGDIG]

Hey Matt,better check your stack,I think it's leaking into your cab... ... .

 

[TORQUE THIS]

MTY, so what are you trying to say

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Reread my post - all the info is there.



Since all matter is composed of atoms and all atoms have orbiting electrons - there is motion within everything. If you consider things to be 'alive' just because they are in motion without any outside influences..... then everything is 'alive'.



The only way to stop this electron motion is theoretically at absolute zero or 0° Kelvin.



If you want to be a biologist - when homeostasis ceases, life as you know it has also ceased.



MTY

 

[BV]

It has to be alive because... ... ... ..... Oh-Just because it seems alive

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

Originally posted by HoleshotHolset

absolute zero or 0° Kelvin.



MTY

Or -459* F #ad

 

[Mtngoat]

That brings up an interesting thought. When you open your refridge, everything in it is dead. .



Robin

 

[jtisdale]

except yogurt... right?

 

[Whitmore]

You are right , yougert is a live culture and acording to Paul Harvey and the American Medical Journel 4 ounces of yougert a day helps rid yeast infections... ... ... ... ... ... I am currious about the application of this



Cheers, Kevin

 

[dpuckett]

Originally posted by BIGDIG

Hey Matt,better check your stack,I think it's leaking into your cab... ... .

WHy? Makes sense to me. I dont even have a stack, so it cant be that



Daniel



PS- I was reading in Scientific American last week about quantum physics (or mechanics?) and how a particle can theortically be in two places at once. Interesting to the point you discover that these guys have way too much time on their hands. That said, is that particle a clone?

 

[HoleshotHolset]

What kind of particles were they talking about?



It has been said that no two bits 'o matter can occupy the same space at the same time..... I'm curious how they can speculate that one bit 'o matter can occupy two spaces at the same time.



Maybe they can't accurately monitor the particulate motion... . and it appears it's in two spaces at once.



Matt

 

[dpuckett]

Originally posted by HoleshotHolset

What kind of particles were they talking about?





Matt

I believe positrons and neutrinos. Smaller than sub atomic particles. And it could be related to the inability to track it very well and it appears in two places at once. Now I'm going to have to look it up. Didnt get that far in physics in college. Be interesting to take just to learn the theories and postulates.

 

[dpuckett]

I was wrong, sort of

It has to do with superposition. Under the laws of quantum physics, a particle undisturbed can occupy two places at once, until something disturbs it, and the "two" join into one again. Not sure of the details of quantum physics, just remembered it being mentioned while reading the magazine during a MASH marathon. Now I need to find a place to read up on quantum physics. I'm sure it's all clear as mud when you know the laws involved.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

That's deep stuff.....



Way beyond any physics class I ever had. I was happy to learn about acoustics, acceleration and stuff like that.....



Matt

 

[dpuckett]

Originally posted by HoleshotHolset

That's deep stuff.....

Yup, and I'm full of it up to my brown eyeballs most of the time Except for now; I can kind of understand it.

 

[HoleshotHolset]

I'd actually like to see the details of this superposition stuff - now that my interest is sparked.



Matt