Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) JAMMERS VS EDM's ??????

[Graphic man]

I am going to run a new set of INJ. and i can get a good deal on the jammers but is it worth the savings?

has anyone run both to compare ?? EDM 4's or jammer 4's ?

and is it true BD is using EDM's and calling them XXX??

they show a XXX-Pulse 155HP

does anyone know??

BD clames they are EDM's !!





Thanks

Scott

 

[jaybigboy34]

I have not run both, but I think the EDM 4's produce more horsepower.

 

[Hohn]

Jammers are EDM as well. There are many EDMs on the market, but they are NOT all created equally.



I went with Don M's sticks and I feel like I got my money's worth in a 150hp stick. Drive them daily in altitude with no problems thus far.

 

[Graphic man]

anyone else run a JAMMER and switched to a EDM?

or the other way around?

thats could share there experiences??

 

[KLockliear]

Here's a thread that started with Jammers and went to Mach's: https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133097

 

[Luke Warmwater]

Oh brother Keith, you point him to a thread and imply that because the owner in that thread only saw 375hp with a Sled puller 66, Mach 5s and Edge drag comp, that he lost the power because he swapped out the Jammers? That's a joke and you know it. That is what I don't like about a lot of vendors on here. They pull I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER out of their arse in an effort to influence those that may not have that much knowledge or experience. That user obviously had some other issues and that thread is not even close to being a fair assessment between Jammers and F1 injectors. Argue on actual merits or STFU.

 

[KLockliear]

Funny Luke, I didn't make that post, another member did. So how did I "pull I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER out of [my] arse"? Just because you don't like our products, doesn't mean they don't work and do what they say.



Just how many vendors are still on here anyway? Not many, not compared to the old days; and why is that?



I believe Graphic man asked for someone to "share there experiences" of having "run a JAMMER and switched to a EDM". Seems to me that is EXACTLY what that MEMBER did. I didn't skew that members' assessment, and it's preposterous to insinuate that I did. The actual merits remain to be seen as that member still hasn't responded. To my knowledge, that is the most recent member posting of having gone from Jammers to F1's.



If you have another, more recent thread in mind, please post it up and let the injectors speak for themselves.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

LOL Keith, first I don't hate your products. I do hate misrepresentation of facts. The crux of that thread you posted as a "fair" reference and comparison of Jammer VS F1 injectors, was that he most definitely had some other issues going on that were causing his loss of power. Are you seriously going to suggest that he only had a 375hp truck with a 66, Comp, and Mach5s? Get real and stop the obfuscation lol. In regards to the question, I've had no experience with your injector other than the old slobbering SuperMentals. I'm sure your Jammers are decent and you'd be a lot better of just stating they are both good nozzles and here's what you think might give your's a slight advantage. Instead you refer the guy to a thread that would leave the uniformed to believe that F1 sticks are junk because somebody only got 375hp out of what should be an easy 500+hp setup which is purely BS and you know it. You sleep ok trying to pull that sorta crap lol? If getting busted for misrepresenting the facts is causing vendors to leave then good riddens anyway.



PS Don's injectors speak fine for themselves. 514hp here with 4s and a B1-2. I bet 600 will be in the park with 6s and one of these II66s.

 

[KLockliear]

I never said the F1 stuff was junk. I merely posted the link to a thread that ANYONE could search for and find. The guy asked for a comparison, he got one. Where's that other thread you keep eluding to? There must be some out there - I just don't care to take the time to try to find one. That one was recent memory. I agree that the truck should have made 500+ with the Jammer 5's he said he had.



My personal truck makes 535hp with our JammerBB, Comp and Jammer 5's. 500hp isn't all that hard to achieve with the right combination of parts.

 

[Luke Warmwater]

I'm not going to argue anymore other than to just say, trying to make a fair injector comparison on a 500hp truck with some obvious problems that is only making 375hp, is not a very good basis for any argument pro or con.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I'm not getting into his "discussion" other than to make a single comment in reference to the bit about vendors on this board:



I, for one, very much appreciate the participation of the sellers, makers and workers of goods involved with our trucks on a DAILY basis - you are the "front lines" of experience and knowledgeable info that benefit us all. Sure, a few might "tilt" reality in some instances, but that can usually be spotted pretty early in the game, if the onlookers pay attention to what's going on.



Keith, I value your experience and presence here - OH - and I *also* very much like my Don M F1's -

 

[pro99]

Injectors

I too don't like the vendors or members trying to put down anothers product by misleading statements or threads. I am also looking for a new injector other than DDIII, but I'm not saying there is anything is wrong with them but want a ( hate to say this ) more powerful injector like the mach 4's. I hate it when anybody gives bull on any product to justify there buy or product. You almost have to try the products just to see for yourself what is good and whats not. But I do say to Graphic man just keep looking and thinking before you buy. Maybe do a poll?





just my 2 you know whats... ... ... .

 

[Graphic man]

WOW

I never intend to start a fight i was just wondering if anyone had any experience with the two i hear a lot of good things about both but was wondering if anyone had dyno'd the two!



i was looking for something with good drivability!

MPG increase if any

and real world HP #'s



as far as the other thread i think there is something else wrong with his set-up! he should be 500hp+

keep in mind i am just looking for some straight up answers no BS

there are a lot of us on here or all, just want the best bang for the buck



Thanks to all that replied

 

[PC12Driver]

Just how many vendors are still on here anyway? Not many, not compared to the old days; and why is that?

Couldn't be because of stuff like this, could it?

Argue on actual merits or STFU.

I could only imagine what would have been posted had Keith actually SAID something negative about another vendors product instead of just pointing to someone else's thread. A thread that, after reading the whole thing instead of just the first post, says absolutely nothing about the differences between the injectors. Really; after the first post it becomes very obvious that there's a lot more going on with just injectors. But maybe after he gets the truck sorted out he could give a valid comparison between the two brands?

 

[Luke Warmwater]

A thread that, after reading the whole thing instead of just the first post, says absolutely nothing about the differences between the injectors

Isn't that what I said? Sigh...

 

[bmoeller]

Keith, I value your experience and presence here

I second that. The help that both you and Joe Donnelly have given me, as far as the BOMBs have gone, the results have far exceeded my expectations.

 

[PC12Driver]

Isn't that what I said? Sigh...

... and quite a bit more... .

 

[Diesel Freak]

Have not run any DD injectors except a set of DD3s so I have no experience with any other set of DD injector. I really liked the DD3 injectors, but now I have a set of F-1 Mach 4 EDM's.



I was out of turbo with the DD3s (HX40) and now with the M4s my little HX40 is not long for this world.



I was ay 427 HP with the DD3s and I am pushing 480-500 with the M4s.

 

[Oil Burner]

Here's my take.



disclaimer, I have owned and driven stage IIs, DD Jammer 4 edms and DD supermentals. Never owned Mach injectors (yet )



I had a slight idle problem when the jammer 4s were in which is why I bought a used set of supermentals, but I really believe now that I have another problem, like my pump is failing. I have ruled out an injector issue (done this on the last 4 sets, only two of which were DD, one was custom set by an injection shop and the others were stock bosch). So I have another problem somewhere.



That said, the Jammer 4s were awesome. I sold them to a friend who removed stage III honed injectors and put these in. They were shimmed right on the money (within a couple of bar of each other). They run great in his truck but he has a new VP44. Very good low end power and much less smoke than you would think. After going to the jammers, he smoked his southbend Con FE with the TST on 9 so the low end is much better.



I have driven Mach 3s and 4s but have never owned them. They ran GREAT.



Remember when comparing mach 4s make 150hp and jammer 4s are rated at 125hp. I believe jammer 5s make 150 hp.



Between the supermentals and jammer 4s, the jammers had a lot more power down low. less smoke and about the same top end. But I like the supermentals a little more becuase my cruise control is more civil at 70 mph. The bigger edms had so much low end response that my 6 speed truck would "hammer" going down the road when cresting hills as the ecm tried to find the right fuel amount to match the desired speed.



I know some of this is off topic, but thought you might want to hear about it. Sorry for rambling on.



Jason

 

[Graphic man]

Jason,



Thank's for your post

its nice to hear hands on experience



so if you here to spend the money and buy another set what would you get???



Scott