Jet Fuel?

[GKPremier]

Ive heard a few different opinions about putting JET fuel into the diesel truck. I work at an airport where i can get JET fuel for basically nothing instead of paying 3. 59 at the pump. Ive heard its ok on the engine and it wont do any damage and also that its not a good idea. I also heard if you do put JET fuel into the tank that you should mix it 10 : 1 with the actual diesel fuel. Any imput would be aprreciated.

 

[KcoleKennyc]

I would like to know more about this, also. Do know of a local airport that runs jet fuel in their Kubota tractors for grass cutting. They haven't had any problems running it without mixing with anything. It is much cheaper than diesel fuel. Is it colored like offroad fuel?

 

[MMeier]

Read here. . its been covered before. Also, it is in most owners manuals what you can and can not run.

 

[Hubert.H]

By JET FUEL, are you taking about aviation diesel fuel (blue diesel)?

If so, I've heard that aviation diesel has less lubricants than regular low sulfer diesel... . ?

Might be a bad idea.

 

[2broke2smoke]

had a freind that ran it and added 2 stroke oil for lube

 

[okayred]

Yep, the shop manual for your truck will tell you that most of the JP fuels will work. They look like Canadian diesel - crystal clear (not dyed red or green). I'd recommend JP5 with (and I second 2broke's comment) 2 stroke oil.



You can also use biodiesel.

 

[DKupec]

The Air Force has all of their diesel vehicles set up to run off jet fuel. When they have to defuel an airplane they won't put that fuel back into another plane so instead of wasting it they recycle it into their diesel tanks. I've heard that they have "tuned" their diesels for it but I have no idea what if anything they actually do to them.

 

[TRLRTRSH]

On my 95 I ran 50/50 jet A my son would bring home. No problems at all. But then that was on my 95 Cum. Not so sure I would do it on the 03.

 

[JFaughn]

There are a number of grades of fuel , the the P pumped 12v , is the only multi fuel Cummins in the Ram . Diesel Fuel Characteristics and use

 

[JoeBioDiesel]

I believe that the 12V trucks are spec'd to run it, but the VP44 equipped trucks are not, but a MMeier said, there's another thread on this forum covering this exact topic. Check it out.

Joe

 

[cj hall]

JET A / k1 /D1 YOU NAME IT.

here is the msds sheet for JET A

http://www.albina.com/Fuel/FuelPDFs/MSDSJetFuel.pdf

Just look at all the names you can call it!



3. 59 vs 0. 00 not hard for me!!!!!



cj hall

 

[tgordon]

Jfaughn I read the site on your link, and the Jet A-1 sure sounds a lot like the ULSD crap we are now getting at most pumps But for what you are using the fuel for CJ I would think you would get enough lubricity from the WVO I am guessing you will be blending with it.

 

[cj hall]

Jet A

yes to me its just a vegetable oil thiner /same as gasoline/ power service is cetane and injection cleaner and the mock DSE is for will thats all I can say on that.



What I need is a good supply of pure cetane. (2-ethyl hexyl nitrate) anybody have an idea where its sold?????



The most AMOUNT in a product is FPPF 8+ CETANE BOOST at 45/55 %



cj hall

 

[mhenon]

yes to me its just a vegetable oil thiner /same as gasoline/ power service is cetane and injection cleaner and the mock DSE is for will thats all I can say on that.



What I need is a good supply of pure cetane. (2-ethyl hexyl nitrate) anybody have an idea where its sold?????



The most AMOUNT in a product is FPPF 8+ CETANE BOOST at 45/55 %



cj hall

Here's what you need (100 cetane) but I haven't found were to buy it yet:

The CETC SuperCetane Technology



Mike

 

[mhenon]

Ive heard a few different opinions about putting JET fuel into the diesel truck. I work at an airport where i can get JET fuel for basically nothing instead of paying 3. 59 at the pump. Ive heard its ok on the engine and it wont do any damage and also that its not a good idea. I also heard if you do put JET fuel into the tank that you should mix it 10 : 1 with the actual diesel fuel. Any imput would be aprreciated.

I have a 2nd gen engine with a VP44 and am always a little concerned about what goes in the tank. HOWEVER. . If I could get free Jet A you bet I'ed use it. Ten tank fulls and you just saved enough for a new VP.

Some Jet fuels have low lubricity so adding 2 stroke oil or 2%-5% biodiesel would be a good idea. Here's some info on Jet fuel:

Jet fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go for it!

Mike

 

[GKPremier]

The jet fuel i can get is JET-A with the prist which is the anti ice additive. Its pretty much clear. The blue av fuel is 100LL so if someone tried dumping some blue av gas in a truck they probably figured out that it was a real bad idea. A mechanic at work uses JET-A in his VW diesel jetta for almost a year now but thats not a 24v cummins engine. I still dont know if I want to use it or not I dont have a real good knowledge on whether its ok or not. From what im reading i dont think i want to take the chance. If the temps start dropping well below freezing I may try a tank so the reg diesel doesnt get a chance to gel up on me. Itd save a lot of money but if i burn up a fuel pump or anything else then it would end up hurtin more than doing good.

 

[CanadianCarGuy]

Jetfuel or kerosene is probably a little too thin to run it in high concentrations unless your are using it with WVO, than you can add up to 80% jet A without being too thin. I've been using Jet-A for thinning out my biodiesel for a couple months now and it seems to be working great! What I've found to work the best so far is 65% biodiesel 30% Jet-A and 5% Toluene. Also I top up the the truck with #2 after ranging anywhere from 2 to 5 gallons depending on how much biodiesel I have on hand. Today I added 45 litres bio, 15 litres Jet-A, 5 litres Toluene, and 22 litres #2. The truck has never felt more powerful than it has today!!



Also Amsoil's cetane improver is 99% Ethylhexyl Nitrate

 

[mhenon]

CCG, why the toluene?

Mike

 

[CanadianCarGuy]

I am experimenting with different solvents to extend the burn a little longer and to see which ones work the best for adding more heat or energy to the fuel and also something to help keep the biodiesel from gelling. I use half canola and half veggie shortening for my bio so it gells up at higher temps than normal biodiesel. It is also used in many different kinds of diesel additives, like stanadyne. I am trying to get my fuel to spool the turbos faster and burn more completely. I don't know why, but it really seems to improve the performance of the bio/jetful mix. So far, I've tried acetone, mineral spirits, methanol, naptha (camping fuel), and turpentine (works well also).

 

[WDaniels]

The Air Force has all of their diesel vehicles set up to run off jet fuel. When they have to defuel an airplane they won't put that fuel back into another plane so instead of wasting it they recycle it into their diesel tanks. I've heard that they have "tuned" their diesels for it but I have no idea what if anything they actually do to them.

What you are talking about here is JP4. The Air Force converted to JP8 in 93. JP8 has none of the higher volatiles like benzine, toluenes and all that crap. Rarely do they put their fuel into vehicles anymore, at least that is how it is on our base. JP4 has a flash point of 197 did and was comparable to the cetane 100 diesel. JP8 has a flash point of 203 and does not combust as well as JP4 or even diesel for that matter. In fact when the Air Force converted most of their aircraft engines were not made for JP8. The KC-135E model which I work on, the engines would not ignite at all at -40. What fuel that did ignite would roll up into little balls of fire and roll out of the tailpipe. When we converted to the "R" model engine those problems went away because the engine was designed to run on JP8. The JP8 fuel would coke up our heaters (because it burned so dirty and with so much soot) which were made for diesel and they would catch fire when we tried to shut them down. Jet A is more like JP4 and Jet B is like JP8. If you attempt to run JP5, you most likely will have injector pump problems real soon. JP5 has additives that absorb moisture and it is very, very dry fuel.

Just my 2 cents worth.

WD