Just FYI on the truck I bought

[Wiredawg]

A friend of mine just bought a new Chevy 3500 CC LB 4X4. I rode with him to pick up his new 5er RV. Ride was nice, very quiet, smooth shifting transmission. It was a nice truck.

I'm happy with mine, he's happy with his, and sounds like you're mostly happy with yours.

Congrats on the new truck and may you have many trouble free miles with your Ford.

Cheers, Ron

 

[NIsaacs]

One thing I've found is that you have to step on the brake pedal a little to get the exhaust brake working quicker than it will by just letting off the throttle. This with the EB on full, not auto.

My guess is the brake application caused a down shift and why it felt stronger. The 10 speed is so smooth you don't feel the shift. Also, with 10 speeds the spread is slight. My brother says don't be afraid to downshift the heck out of it and get rpm's up. When you do that, the exhaust brake works pretty good. His is a '21, F-250 and says it does ride a little rough so he has some sand bags in the rear.

 

[JR]

One thing I've found is that you have to step on the brake pedal a little to get the exhaust brake working quicker than it will by just letting off the throttle. This with the EB on full, not auto.

Sounds like its just the same as the Ram.

In all honesty if I were to own another truck other than a Ram it would be a Ford...although I'm still not sold on long term ownership (post warranty) of the 6.7 PS. (twice the # of heads, $$ piezo injectors, intake and cp4 issues, etc etc). Obviously you will own this truck post warranty sooner than later, have you thought about length of ownership post warranty? IE what is your breaking point? You mentioned a couple of repairs with the Ram so I am pretty confident you have crunched some pretty good numbers.
I'm not questioning your decision in any way, just curious as to what your long term forecast looks like.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

My guess is the brake application caused a down shift and why it felt stronger. The 10 speed is so smooth you don't feel the shift. Also, with 10 speeds the spread is slight. My brother says don't be afraid to downshift the heck out of it and get rpm's up. When you do that, the exhaust brake works pretty good. His is a '21, F-250 and says it does ride a little rough so he has some sand bags in the rear.

Yes, it starts downshifting, but after the brake starts working.
And, of course, any exhaust brake works stronger with higher rpm, even the RAM Cummins. Higher rpm means higher exhaust flow and pressure.
And, the PSD being a V8, has quite a bit higher rpm range than the Cummins, so potentially has even higher exhaust braking possible, but I think Ford keeps the turbo from closing up as much as the one on the Cummins does.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Sounds like its just the same as the Ram.

In all honesty if I were to own another truck other than a Ram it would be a Ford...although I'm still not sold on long term ownership (post warranty) of the 6.7 PS. Obviously you will own this truck post warranty sooner than later, have you thought about length of ownership post warranty? IE what is your breaking point? You mentioned a couple of repairs with the Ram so I am pretty confident you have crunched some pretty good numbers.
I'm not questioning your decision in any way, just curious as to what your long term forecast looks like.

I bought an extended warranty, the most they had was 150K miles bumper to bumper, that'll take me out a ways.

 

[JR]

Has your annual mileage changed? Rough math says 150k will get you less than 2 years?
Again, just curios more than anything.

 

[Tuesdak]

Having hauled RV's with a 2008 Duramax, and later: 2005 Duramax, and GASP! 1993 6.5TD... The Dodge RAM Cummins Pickups are very common where the Fords and GM pickups are rare for RV hauling. Regardless when we started in 2008 we gave Dodge RAM Cummins pickups a close look. IMO we got lucky getting the GM vs. the meet emissions early problems on the 2008 Dodge RAM. We got an education on diesel emission system changes due to the MPG hit as it was. The heated washer fluid burn the truck down GM recall to remove that feature...

The 2005 LLY overheater and the old IDI bled my GM orange blood dry on GM diesels. All three were a power check the cooling system couldn't cash. A tradition GM continues to this day with their already thermally power limited 3.0L diesel...

Hope you share how things go with the Ford.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Has your annual mileage changed? Rough math says 150k will get you less than 2 years?
Again, just curios more than anything.

Not working as much.

 

[SnoKing]

My guess is the brake application caused a down shift and why it felt stronger. The 10 speed is so smooth you don't feel the shift. Also, with 10 speeds the spread is slight. My brother says don't be afraid to downshift the heck out of it and get rpm's up. When you do that, the exhaust brake works pretty good. His is a '21, F-250 and says it does ride a little rough so he has some sand bags in the rear.

What Ford does not tell you is that it uses the service brakes to slow the truck under certain conditions. Put it in adaptive CC and head down a hill and the truck will not over speed the CC setting, which it does buy applying the service brakes without your knowledge. I believe their Tow/Haul does it also. I am leaning all about this driving my new 2021 F150.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Sno I have read about this also. I sure want cold brakes on a big downhill. My brakes are always cold at the bottom of a long downhill even at 35k.

 

[Wiredawg]

I believe my wife's 19 Ram 1500 uses brakes slowing with ACC, might even bring it to a complete stop, if I trusted it. We've never had it on a steep grade to judge if the brakes also were used to keep from going too fast with either CC setting.

 

[Ozymandias]

I believe my wife's 19 Ram 1500 uses brakes slowing with ACC, might even bring it to a complete stop, if I trusted it. We've never had it on a steep grade to judge if the brakes also were used to keep from going too fast with either CC setting.

It's an old technology. My 2012 Durango does that too, and very much unnoticed.

 

[NIsaacs]

I bought an extended warranty, the most they had was 150K miles bumper to bumper, that'll take me out a ways.

What rear axle ratio did you get? Can you post the maintenance schedule and oil specs, for all the oil changes for the engine and gear boxes?

 

[SnoKing]

Sno I have read about this also. I sure want cold brakes on a big downhill. My brakes are always cold at the bottom of a long downhill even at 35k.

I am going to turn off adaptive CC and see if it over speeds the CC. There are grades that I will be going down on my return to Arizona where I want to just paddle shift the truck down to maintain my speed without using the service brakes. I did that with the Edge ST coming North, and only touched to brakes a couple times even on Cabbage Patch Hill coming into Pendleton, Or. I think Ford is using a little smoke and mirrors that many are not aware of.

On Edit:
From the manual.

Normal Cruise Control

"Automatic braking remains active to maintain set
speed."

Guess CC will get cancelled on descents so I can manage want the vehicle is doing myself, and save my brakes for an emergency. I would bet that a high percentage of Ford owners do not know the truck is using the brakes without one pushing the brake pedal.

I was in stop and go traffic and the adaptive cruise control would bring me to a complete stop and then move ahead when traffic did. I shorten the spacing from four bars down to 1 bar as traffic slowed.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

No adaptive cruise.

 

[AH64ID]

What Ford does not tell you is that it uses the service brakes to slow the truck under certain conditions. Put it in adaptive CC and head down a hill and the truck will not over speed the CC setting, which it does buy applying the service brakes without your knowledge. I believe their Tow/Haul does it also. I am leaning all about this driving my new 2021 F150.

So does the Ram with adaptive CC.

 

[DHayden]

I am going to turn off adaptive CC and see if it over speeds the CC. There are grades that I will be going down on my return to Arizona where I want to just paddle shift the truck down to maintain my speed without using the service brakes. I did that with the Edge ST coming North, and only touched to brakes a couple times even on Cabbage Patch Hill coming into Pendleton, Or. I think Ford is using a little smoke and mirrors that many are not aware of.

On Edit:
From the manual.

Normal Cruise Control

"Automatic braking remains active to maintain set
speed."

Guess CC will get cancelled on descents so I can manage want the vehicle is doing myself, and save my brakes for an emergency. I would bet that a high percentage of Ford owners do not know the truck is using the brakes without one pushing the brake pedal.

I was in stop and go traffic and the adaptive cruise control would bring me to a complete stop and then move age when traffic did. I shorten the spacing from four bars down to 1 bar as traffic slowed.

Ahhh Pendlton, I used to fly CH-47s in Pendleton. My wife still gives me flack for moving away. She loved it there (for some reason)

 

[gsbrockman]

What rear axle ratio did you get?

3.31’s

 

[Ozymandias]

From what I know, using T/H on a Ford does change the shift pattern massively.
On the Expedition if that button is in and then going down a hill in CC means that thing starts to downshift like hell, engine screams and only if that isn't sufficient then it starts using the service brake.

I'm pretty sure that the PSD works the same way if T/H is in. If not that would be a bad step backwards for Ford.

 

[DHayden]

In the F450 tow haul makes a difference in shifting/downshifting but it is not aggressive by any stretch.