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And this. .
Jacques Chirac, the French Prime Minister, was sitting in his
office wondering what kind of mischief he could perpetrate against the
United States when his telephone rang. "Hallo, Mr. Chirac!” a heavily accented voice said. "This is Paddy down at the Harp Pub in County Sligo, Ireland. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially declaring war on you!" "Well, Paddy," Chirac replied, "This is indeed important news!
How big is your army?" "Right now," said Paddy, after a moment's calculation, "there is myself, me Cousin Sean, me next door neighbor Seamus, and the entire dart team from the pub that makes eight!"
Chirac paused. "I must tell you, Paddy that I have one hundred
thousand men in my army waiting to move on my command. " "Begorra!" said Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back!" Sure enough, the next day, Paddy called again. "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!" "And what equipment would that be, Paddy?" Chirac asked. "Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor. " Chirac sighed, amused. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have
6,000 tanks and 5,000 armored personnel carriers. Also, I've increased
my army to one hundred fifty thousand since we last spoke" "Saints
preserve us!" said Paddy. "I'll have to get back to you. "
Sure enough, Paddy rang again the next day. "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on!" We have managed to get ourselves airborne! We’ve modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Shamrock Pub have joined us as well!" Chirac was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes. My military complex is surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I've increased my army to two hundred thousand!"
"Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!” said Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back. " Sure enough, Paddy called again the next day. "Top o' the mornin’, Mr. Chirac! I am sorry to tell you that we have had to call off the war. " "I'm sorry to hear that," said Chirac "Why the sudden change of heart?" "Well," said Paddy, "we've all had a long chat over a bunch of pints, and decided there's no foo-kin way we can feed two hundred thousand prisoners. "
Jacques Chirac, the French Prime Minister, was sitting in his
office wondering what kind of mischief he could perpetrate against the
United States when his telephone rang. "Hallo, Mr. Chirac!” a heavily accented voice said. "This is Paddy down at the Harp Pub in County Sligo, Ireland. I am ringing to inform you that we are officially declaring war on you!" "Well, Paddy," Chirac replied, "This is indeed important news!
How big is your army?" "Right now," said Paddy, after a moment's calculation, "there is myself, me Cousin Sean, me next door neighbor Seamus, and the entire dart team from the pub that makes eight!"
Chirac paused. "I must tell you, Paddy that I have one hundred
thousand men in my army waiting to move on my command. " "Begorra!" said Paddy. "I'll have to ring you back!" Sure enough, the next day, Paddy called again. "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on. We have managed to get us some infantry equipment!" "And what equipment would that be, Paddy?" Chirac asked. "Well, we have two combines, a bulldozer, and Murphy's farm tractor. " Chirac sighed, amused. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have
6,000 tanks and 5,000 armored personnel carriers. Also, I've increased
my army to one hundred fifty thousand since we last spoke" "Saints
preserve us!" said Paddy. "I'll have to get back to you. "
Sure enough, Paddy rang again the next day. "Mr. Chirac, the war is still on!" We have managed to get ourselves airborne! We’ve modified Jackie McLaughlin's ultra-light with a couple of shotguns in the cockpit, and four boys from the Shamrock Pub have joined us as well!" Chirac was silent for a minute and then cleared his throat. "I must tell you, Paddy, that I have 100 bombers and 200 fighter planes. My military complex is surrounded by laser-guided, surface-to-air missile sites. And since we last spoke, I've increased my army to two hundred thousand!"
"Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!” said Paddy, "I'll have to ring you back. " Sure enough, Paddy called again the next day. "Top o' the mornin’, Mr. Chirac! I am sorry to tell you that we have had to call off the war. " "I'm sorry to hear that," said Chirac "Why the sudden change of heart?" "Well," said Paddy, "we've all had a long chat over a bunch of pints, and decided there's no foo-kin way we can feed two hundred thousand prisoners. "
Task125 said:
On my '99 they added almost 2" but my rear springs had probably sagged an inch or so by the time I instaled the mini packs.
Jared
BTighe said:
I wouldn't suggest jumping the "Pace" or the "Chase" systems. Even though the Fox system ( Race ) is way capable of jumping, it isn't suggested. The pictures you see of Kent and I jumping a 7500 lb truck is set up in a safe location. We use spotters, and are professionals doing what we do best. Racing the trucks through the desert at 90 mph is great fun. I believe we are doing it in total control. We may be slashing the ragged edge of reality but, every move is read, calculated and processed at high speeds before we make our next move. I have spent years and years bombing through the desert on 500, 600, 650 and now 450 cc motorcycles. These bikes are very unforgiving at 100 mph.
I have come off at such speeds. The recovery process is lengthy at least. Not to mention painful. Now take a $40K truck, add $3500 worth of suspension, $3000 worth of tires and wheels, $10,000 worth of bombs and rail it at speeds in excess of 100 mph. Off ROad!!!! If I lose my truck at that speed, I still pay for it for years and loose all of my bombs. It is a monumental loss. If you do want to do what we do, be care very sure of your ability. Your truck should be able to do certain things, not everything.
Greg
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Yo Hoot,
Priceless joke!!!
I've been chuckling about that one all day.
Kent
Priceless joke!!!
I've been chuckling about that one all day.
Kent
The PACE is similar to the RACE, the shocks are Bilstein 2" vs Fox 2. 5". Check my Reader's Rig's pictures for shots of an installed kit. kent also has pictures on his website of the kits and truck pics.
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To respond to some of your questions:
BTighe,
I don't recommend any KORE suspension system be used specifically for jumping. Before the article to which you refer was published I requested that "Four Wheeler" magazine not encourage jumping. Our instructions also warn against jumping. Like Greg states, it takes quite a bit of experience to do it correctly. There's a fine line between just enough air and too much. "Just enough" is fun and exciting; "too much" can be dangerous and expensive. I use flying the truck more as a metaphor for getting out and having fun than anything else -- pushing the limits a bit, doing something you normally wouldn't do, if nothing more than for the thrill. Jumping is an extreme demonstration of capability. It's kind of like racing. Racing shows what can be done. In addition, it helps us develop and test products. Racing is a heck of a lot of fun. But it's also a risky and committing endeavor that's not for everyone. Look what you have to do to prepare a truck for the SCORE "Stock Full" class:
http://koreperformance.com/building_the_beast.htm
Understand that these photos depict only a tiny fraction of what has to be done to race in the most stock class there is. It's a lot of work but the payoff is priceless. What we learned from racing has armed us with a lot of information we can pass on to others - like how to get more power without high EGT's, where to get a good clutch or lift pump, what tires are best - even what lubrication products work best for us. By jumping and racing these trucks we've learned stuff that we didn't even know we needed to learn.
That way, when you bolt on one of our systems or the parts we recommend, you know they've seen conditions far more extreme than you'll probably ever subject them to. We've engineered our components to make your trucks more comfortable when driving over rough terrain. Although I don't recommend jumping, I highly encourage getting outdoors and having fun off-road -- exploring, hunting, sight-seeing -- going places you normally wouldn't go. Good suspension removes a lot of dread and pain from an off-road adventure.
There's a saying in Baja, "Bad roads keep out bad people. " You'd be surprised at some of the great people you meet and some of the beautiful places you see at the end of very bad roads. Enabling you to comfortably use your truck to go somewhere extraordinary is probably the driving force behind our products.
I kid around a lot in these posts because, to me, TDR is like a big, clean-cut, good-intentioned, diesel-truck-driving biker gang, and I'm just another one of the boys. For the most part I think we share a common perspective, so a lot of what I say on these posts is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I joke about burn-outs and ridicule the French, however, I don't want the next statement to be misinterpreted: Please don't jump your truck or push the limits off-road unless you have equipped your truck with a roll cage, race seats, five-point harnesses, are wearing a helmet and fire suit and fully understand the consequences of making an error. Use proper safety gear and install some extra metal in your truck, so doctors don't have to install extra metal in your body, like they have in mine...
Tim Sanchez and Greg Boardman are excluded from this warning because The Force is with them.
I think you also inquired about the "Ram Air III" we tested. It's an excellent product that reduced EGT's 200 degrees over the OE filter set up. This allows more fueling and more power. For normal use I can't think of one disadvantage of the "Ram Air III. " - And I'm not just saying this because I'm afraid of 325 lb. Scotty. Even for hard off-road use his product filters and flows really well. For racing we use a drilled-out OE air box and OE paper-element filters. The reason for this is that during the Baja 1000 you're in thick dust for 30 hours and much of time you're at WOT. In general, paper-element filters don't flow well, but because they're dry, certain particles don't tend to collect on them; they just fall off. It's quick and easy to pull out and chuck a disposable OE filter. It's expensive and wasteful to toss a high-zoot reusable oiled-gauze filter like the "Ram Air III" uses. During the Baja 1000 we would have gone through at least 10 Ram Air filter-cones, vice 5 OE filters. The time it takes to change 5 more filters could mean the difference between winning and losing, or between 2nd and 3rd place - grrrrrrrrrrrr - 10 minutes... I've got stories about that... Anyway, bottom line is that almost everything is a trade-off -you've just got to choose the right thing for your conditions. When we're not racing, Scotty's "Ram Air III" is on The Beast.
Task125,
KORE sells direct, so you can always order right from us. We're currently in the process of establishing a network of retailers and installers. We'll be posting locations on our website. For now, just call us; if we have a retailer or installer near you, we'll point you in the right direction.
To answer your question about what a Dodge Ram equipped with a Pace system looks like -- from a distance, all our systems make your truck look the same. The front goes up about 2. 5" and the rear about an inch, depending on how you set up your mini paks. The coils and leaves that come with all our systems are all the same, so all KORE trucks sit the same way. The difference is that the Chase and Race systems use sophisticated reservoir shocks and aluminum mounts. Race shocks like these have heim joints at each end, so they require a unique method of fitting them to your truck. If you look under the fenders, the Chase and Race systems look different than the Pace system. As the popularity of desert racing grows, "fenderwell fashion" is becoming increasingly important - especially here in So Cal where you see a kid in a custom, Baja pre-runner style truck drive by every 5 minutes. I've actually heard guys say, "My reservoirs are bigger than yours... " This is silly talk, and although high-tech remote reservoirs do look good lurking menacingly in the shadows of a fenderwell, aesthetics are not why we use them. For us, it's all about performance.
I've attached a photo of a Chase system.
EErmert,
So far I haven't seen warranties voided by any of our products. The warranty subject is a little vague due to coverage being largely subjective, but I know for a fact that a service manager can't legally void your entire truck's warranty because you changed your shocks! Theoretically, he could void any parts your new shocks and springs affect.
Savvy service managers know that KORE suspension works within OE design parameters. Many of our customers have reported that their dealers have unquestioningly addressed driveline TSB's and other warranty issues without protesting due to the addition of KORE equipment. In fact, several So Cal Dodge dealers regularly equip their showroom vehicles with KORE suspension, KORE wheels and Toyo tires. Dodge dealers like our products because, unlike conventional lift kits, KORE suspension keeps the center of gravity low and doesn't significantly alter driveline or steering angles. Product liability and warranty issues are real concerns for dealers, so they're moving away from cosmetic lift kits and embracing more conservative, performance-based products like ours. Somewhere there may be examples of service managers being suspicious of our products, but I haven't heard of it yet.
As for your installation question, you can do the job with one 3. 5 ton floor jack and a pair of stout jack stands.
Over and out,
Kent Kroeker
BTighe,
I don't recommend any KORE suspension system be used specifically for jumping. Before the article to which you refer was published I requested that "Four Wheeler" magazine not encourage jumping. Our instructions also warn against jumping. Like Greg states, it takes quite a bit of experience to do it correctly. There's a fine line between just enough air and too much. "Just enough" is fun and exciting; "too much" can be dangerous and expensive. I use flying the truck more as a metaphor for getting out and having fun than anything else -- pushing the limits a bit, doing something you normally wouldn't do, if nothing more than for the thrill. Jumping is an extreme demonstration of capability. It's kind of like racing. Racing shows what can be done. In addition, it helps us develop and test products. Racing is a heck of a lot of fun. But it's also a risky and committing endeavor that's not for everyone. Look what you have to do to prepare a truck for the SCORE "Stock Full" class:
http://koreperformance.com/building_the_beast.htm
Understand that these photos depict only a tiny fraction of what has to be done to race in the most stock class there is. It's a lot of work but the payoff is priceless. What we learned from racing has armed us with a lot of information we can pass on to others - like how to get more power without high EGT's, where to get a good clutch or lift pump, what tires are best - even what lubrication products work best for us. By jumping and racing these trucks we've learned stuff that we didn't even know we needed to learn.
That way, when you bolt on one of our systems or the parts we recommend, you know they've seen conditions far more extreme than you'll probably ever subject them to. We've engineered our components to make your trucks more comfortable when driving over rough terrain. Although I don't recommend jumping, I highly encourage getting outdoors and having fun off-road -- exploring, hunting, sight-seeing -- going places you normally wouldn't go. Good suspension removes a lot of dread and pain from an off-road adventure.
There's a saying in Baja, "Bad roads keep out bad people. " You'd be surprised at some of the great people you meet and some of the beautiful places you see at the end of very bad roads. Enabling you to comfortably use your truck to go somewhere extraordinary is probably the driving force behind our products.
I kid around a lot in these posts because, to me, TDR is like a big, clean-cut, good-intentioned, diesel-truck-driving biker gang, and I'm just another one of the boys. For the most part I think we share a common perspective, so a lot of what I say on these posts is somewhat tongue-in-cheek. I joke about burn-outs and ridicule the French, however, I don't want the next statement to be misinterpreted: Please don't jump your truck or push the limits off-road unless you have equipped your truck with a roll cage, race seats, five-point harnesses, are wearing a helmet and fire suit and fully understand the consequences of making an error. Use proper safety gear and install some extra metal in your truck, so doctors don't have to install extra metal in your body, like they have in mine...
Tim Sanchez and Greg Boardman are excluded from this warning because The Force is with them.
I think you also inquired about the "Ram Air III" we tested. It's an excellent product that reduced EGT's 200 degrees over the OE filter set up. This allows more fueling and more power. For normal use I can't think of one disadvantage of the "Ram Air III. " - And I'm not just saying this because I'm afraid of 325 lb. Scotty. Even for hard off-road use his product filters and flows really well. For racing we use a drilled-out OE air box and OE paper-element filters. The reason for this is that during the Baja 1000 you're in thick dust for 30 hours and much of time you're at WOT. In general, paper-element filters don't flow well, but because they're dry, certain particles don't tend to collect on them; they just fall off. It's quick and easy to pull out and chuck a disposable OE filter. It's expensive and wasteful to toss a high-zoot reusable oiled-gauze filter like the "Ram Air III" uses. During the Baja 1000 we would have gone through at least 10 Ram Air filter-cones, vice 5 OE filters. The time it takes to change 5 more filters could mean the difference between winning and losing, or between 2nd and 3rd place - grrrrrrrrrrrr - 10 minutes... I've got stories about that... Anyway, bottom line is that almost everything is a trade-off -you've just got to choose the right thing for your conditions. When we're not racing, Scotty's "Ram Air III" is on The Beast.
Task125,
KORE sells direct, so you can always order right from us. We're currently in the process of establishing a network of retailers and installers. We'll be posting locations on our website. For now, just call us; if we have a retailer or installer near you, we'll point you in the right direction.
To answer your question about what a Dodge Ram equipped with a Pace system looks like -- from a distance, all our systems make your truck look the same. The front goes up about 2. 5" and the rear about an inch, depending on how you set up your mini paks. The coils and leaves that come with all our systems are all the same, so all KORE trucks sit the same way. The difference is that the Chase and Race systems use sophisticated reservoir shocks and aluminum mounts. Race shocks like these have heim joints at each end, so they require a unique method of fitting them to your truck. If you look under the fenders, the Chase and Race systems look different than the Pace system. As the popularity of desert racing grows, "fenderwell fashion" is becoming increasingly important - especially here in So Cal where you see a kid in a custom, Baja pre-runner style truck drive by every 5 minutes. I've actually heard guys say, "My reservoirs are bigger than yours... " This is silly talk, and although high-tech remote reservoirs do look good lurking menacingly in the shadows of a fenderwell, aesthetics are not why we use them. For us, it's all about performance.
I've attached a photo of a Chase system.
EErmert,
So far I haven't seen warranties voided by any of our products. The warranty subject is a little vague due to coverage being largely subjective, but I know for a fact that a service manager can't legally void your entire truck's warranty because you changed your shocks! Theoretically, he could void any parts your new shocks and springs affect.
Savvy service managers know that KORE suspension works within OE design parameters. Many of our customers have reported that their dealers have unquestioningly addressed driveline TSB's and other warranty issues without protesting due to the addition of KORE equipment. In fact, several So Cal Dodge dealers regularly equip their showroom vehicles with KORE suspension, KORE wheels and Toyo tires. Dodge dealers like our products because, unlike conventional lift kits, KORE suspension keeps the center of gravity low and doesn't significantly alter driveline or steering angles. Product liability and warranty issues are real concerns for dealers, so they're moving away from cosmetic lift kits and embracing more conservative, performance-based products like ours. Somewhere there may be examples of service managers being suspicious of our products, but I haven't heard of it yet.
As for your installation question, you can do the job with one 3. 5 ton floor jack and a pair of stout jack stands.
Over and out,
Kent Kroeker
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Is the increase in height with standard tires? so increased tire size would add to this height, and also increase ground clearance by raising the axle?https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1110730#
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kentkroeker said:To respond to some of your questions:
To answer your question about what a Dodge Ram equipped with a Pace system looks like -- from a distance, all our systems make your truck look the same. The front goes up about 2. 5" and the rear about an inch, depending on how you set up your mini paks. The coils and leaves that come with all our systems are all the same, so all KORE trucks sit the same way
Wow-- I go on vacation and you guys have all the fun without me!
At least I had SOME fun, driving on I-80W when the rain was freezing instantly upon impact to the ground. Vehicles everywhere EXCEPT the road
Scotty and I had a good little visit when he was passing through (and approved of my lasagna
), and you should hear him talk about his ride in Kent's truck! Yikes!
I only wish there were the KORE options there are when I did my levelling kit. As a result of my choices, I'm stuck with cheapo springs (which are wrong for my use, even though they "fit") and shocks that don't match.
I suspect that even the "pace" KORE system is far superior to a lift kit of any other kit that can be piecemealed together. I have the Bilstein 5100s, but they are the wrong valving (too stiff) for the weenie D25 springs. Great off-road, bad on hwy.
I also made a big mistake modifying my rear springs. I cut the bottommost leaves (the thick overload bars) shorter with a cutoff wheel. Mine are now the length of the lift blocks. Result? A VERY slight improvement in ride quality, and ruined rear springs. The OEM pack is designed to use that thick overload for support. It needs the whole length of it. My springs are beginning to take on a "w" shape (which is fine, given my political leanings), but they will be ruined unless I install the KORE mini-pack pretty soon.
Do it right. Go KORE the first time.
Justin
At least I had SOME fun, driving on I-80W when the rain was freezing instantly upon impact to the ground. Vehicles everywhere EXCEPT the road
Scotty and I had a good little visit when he was passing through (and approved of my lasagna
), and you should hear him talk about his ride in Kent's truck! Yikes!I only wish there were the KORE options there are when I did my levelling kit. As a result of my choices, I'm stuck with cheapo springs (which are wrong for my use, even though they "fit") and shocks that don't match.
I suspect that even the "pace" KORE system is far superior to a lift kit of any other kit that can be piecemealed together. I have the Bilstein 5100s, but they are the wrong valving (too stiff) for the weenie D25 springs. Great off-road, bad on hwy.
I also made a big mistake modifying my rear springs. I cut the bottommost leaves (the thick overload bars) shorter with a cutoff wheel. Mine are now the length of the lift blocks. Result? A VERY slight improvement in ride quality, and ruined rear springs. The OEM pack is designed to use that thick overload for support. It needs the whole length of it. My springs are beginning to take on a "w" shape (which is fine, given my political leanings), but they will be ruined unless I install the KORE mini-pack pretty soon.
Do it right. Go KORE the first time.
Justin
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