Latest Oil Anlaysis report on my truck

[amsoilman]

In November 2005 my Oil analysis reported 0. 02 %WT soot, and the Viscosity was 14. 05 cSt@100 C. with 45,300 miles on the oil!



A year later, November 2006 my oil analysis reports 0. 78 % soot, and the Viscosity is 14. 57 cSt@100C. with 54,800 miles on the oil.



A new SAE 40 Grade oil has to be between 12. 5 cSt and 16. 3 cSt @100C. I would say this Oil is certainly doing very well indeed, and as stated before, I am not concerned about "Soot"!





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Wayne, a while back I ran a baseline analysis, including particle count on my setup, using the stuff in my sig and a Fleetguard 3894 full flow filter - 5000 miles on Delo 400.



I'm now about ready for the followup using the Amsoil/Donaldson full flow filter to see if there's any significant difference in test results. I should have enough miles when we return home from this trip - I'm typing this on my daughter's PC here in Lodi California.



I figure my Cummins, at 46K miles or so is probably still seating in, and expect to see various wear metals continue to slightly taper off as the miles continue to roll by...

 

[amsoilman]

Wayne, a while back I ran a baseline analysis, including particle count on my setup, using the stuff in my sig and a Fleetguard 3894 full flow filter - 5000 miles on Delo 400.



I'm now about ready for the followup using the Amsoil/Donaldson full flow filter to see if there's any significant difference in test results. I should have enough miles when we return home from this trip - I'm typing this on my daughter's PC here in Lodi California.



I figure my Cummins, at 46K miles or so is probably still seating in, and expect to see various wear metals continue to slightly taper off as the miles continue to roll by...

GAry,

I think my truck must be pretty well seated in, as the wear metals have been fairly consistant.



At 21,000 on oil: Iron(Fe) 87 ppm, Chromium(Cr) 2 ppm, Lead(Pb) 6 ppm, Aluminum (Ai) 11 ppm.



At 31,500 on oil: Iron(Fe) 62 ppm, Chromium(Cr) 3 ppm, Lead(Pb) 5 ppm, Aluminum (Ai) 11 ppm.



At 45,300 on the oil: Iron(Fe) 68 ppm, Chromium(Cr) 3 ppm, Lead(Pb) 6 ppm, Aluminum (Ai) 10



At 54,800 on the oil: Iron(Fe) 52 ppm, Chromium(Cr) 2 ppm, Lead(Pb) 8 ppm, Aluminum (Ai) 11 ppm



Silicon (Ag) went from a low of 16 ppm to a high of 25 ppm



The Copper (Cu) has ALWAYS been high at 254 ppm low to a high of 287 ppm,

Lab reports this is coming from OIL COOLER, as NONE of the other wear metals are high.



The TBN (Total Base Number) has run from a high of 11. 72 @ 21,000 miles to a low of 7. 12 @ 54,800 miles, which is still very good for this oil.



TOTAL oil added in this time frame 3 1/2 US Quarts.



I have seen this on many other oil analysis reports that I have looked at as well, especialy on the Cummins engines in the Dodge truck application.



I do beleive the Amsoil and the by-pass filtration are doing a good job!





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[CumminsBu]

This is on annual oil change, Amsoil Filter and Bypass Filter?

 

[amsoilman]

This is on annual oil change, Amsoil Filter and Bypass Filter?

No, this oil has been installed in my truck since April 2003 @ 8,700 miles. Both Oil filters have been changed one time, and that was at 21,000 miles on the oil.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[CumminsBu]

What model Bypass filter are you using?

 

[amsoilman]

What model Bypass filter are you using?

I am using the Amsoil BMK-11 mount with the EaBP-100 Filter element for the by-pass, and the "Full-Flow" is a Donaldson, but prior to the filter change at 21,000 miles I had used the SDF-80 for the "Full-Flow", which is now a

EaO-80 as they have changed their filter numbers as well as the elements.





Wayne

amsoilman

 

[CumminsBu]

Looking to which soon. Thanks for the info. Any pic?

 

[Texas Diesel]

But with ALL the 1 million mile Cummins running dino oil and OEM filters what you post is cool but not much else.



I'll stick with the process and choices that have given over 1 million miles of service. And I dont have the extra plumbing (potential leaks) to deal with.



Once an Amsoil lubed truck passes 1 million miles, than perhaps Amsoil is as good as dino oil and OEM filters. When you show me a 2 million mile Amsoil lubed engine, then Amsoil will demonstrate some benefit. Unitl then, I will stay with the proven winners, not Amsoil's analysis of it's own product.

 

[amsoilman]

Sorry TEXAS DIESEL, Amsoil DOES NOT analyize their own oil, and if they did, so what! What benefit is it to them if they were to give "FALSE" information?



There are more benefits than wear on an engine, just think of how many quarts of oil and oil filters, I have saved in the 54,000 miles this oil has been in there.



How about 143 Quarts, and 14 oil filters!



Have a good day.



Wayne

 

[redram]

Sorry TEXAS DIESEL, Amsoil DOES NOT analyize their own oil, and if they did, so what! What benefit is it to them if they were to give "FALSE" information?



There are more benefits than wear on an engine, just think of how many quarts of oil and oil filters, I have saved in the 54,000 miles this oil has been in there.



How about 143 Quarts, and 14 oil filters!



Have a good day.



Wayne

How many oil changes are you calculating? Not every one feels the need to change every 3000 miles for god's sake. Try at most 10 filters and the associated oil and for most people a lot less. But Let's also be honest and add back in any makeup oil that you would have had to add over this time period.

There are also other reasons other than "oil analysis' to change oil that will not show up in the down and dirty spectrographic oil analysis lab results.

Are you inspecting for fuel, glycol, particle counts, how about nitration and oxidation. TBN should be fine - since the fuel you're now burning now has no sulfur to neutralize - that higher tbn is just added metallic ash components that could be plating out on your exhaust valves clogging yoru piston ring grooves.



Basically Wayne, every post you make is very self serving and seems to be trying to 'promote' your brand of oil and I for one grow tired of the "A" banter. Give it a rest. Do you have anything else to talk about?

 

[Riflesmith]

Let's also be honest and add back in any makeup oil that you would have had to add over this time period.

TOTAL oil added in this time frame 3 1/2 US Quarts.

Looks to me like he was honest and did consider makeup oil added.

There are also other reasons other than "oil analysis' to change oil that will not show up in the down and dirty spectrographic oil analysis lab results.

Are you inspecting for fuel, glycol, particle counts, how about nitration and oxidation. TBN should be fine - since the fuel you're now burning now has no sulfur to neutralize - that higher tbn is just added metallic ash components that could be plating out on your exhaust valves clogging yoru piston ring grooves.

His oil analysis reports do include this information. Even though today's ULSD fuel has virtually no sulfur, nitrogen oxides formed during combustion form crankcase acids that must be neutralized. TBN is still an important oil characteristic. If you take a look at conventional diesel oil, you will find that Amsoil has very little, if any, more sulfated ash content than the conventional oils. In addition, if your engine uses little to no oil, how is the ash going to plate out on exhaust valves or clog piston rings?

Basically Wayne, every post you make is very self serving and seems to be trying to 'promote' your brand of oil and I for one grow tired of the "A" banter. Give it a rest. Do you have anything else to talk about?

Don't like it; don't read it. I have yet to see any post regarding oil since I have been a TDR member where a user of synthetic oil attacked a user of conventional oil for his/her choice. Why can't Wayne be given the same consideration? Wayne is simply giving us information based on his own experience with a product line.

 

[Texas Diesel]

Basically Wayne, every post you make is very self serving and seems to be trying to 'promote' your brand of oil and I for one grow tired of the "A" banter. Give it a rest. Do you have anything else to talk about?

That pretty much sums it up. read like one of those infomercials you see on TV, what they say is interesting but what they dont say is the is where the sneaky part comes in.

 

[NIsaacs]

I don't know anything about the scientific numbers associated with oil analyzing, however I wonder if the good numbers may indicate that the oil is no longer working to keep the engine clean? That maybe the crud is adhering to the engine itself? I know when my old 855's would need an overhaul, the lubrifiner (bypass filter?) didn't seem to work. The main oil filter would plug up and cause low oil pressure, change it and all was well for a little while.





"NICK"

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Don't like it; don't read it. I have yet to see any post regarding oil since I have been a TDR member where a user of synthetic oil attacked a user of conventional oil for his/her choice. Why can't Wayne be given the same consideration? Wayne is simply giving us information based on his own experience with a product line.

ABSOLUTELY!



I may not agree fully with everything Wayne presents here - but CERTAINLY appreciate the extra effort he constantly makes to provide EXACTLY the sort of helpful info many of us are here for!



What I *DON'T* appreciate, and here and now openly protest, are those who quickly resort to attack and ridicule of the messenger they disagree with, rather than sticking to the issue presented... :-{}

 

[Texas Diesel]

Gary, you adding someone to your ignor list is not the end of the world...



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Feel free to add me to your ignorE list

 

[Riflesmith]

Gary, you adding someone to your ignor list is the greatest compliment you can give them.



Atleast you found a new butt to kiss.



If I'm not on your ignor list, please add me

I believe the word is ignore. If this kind of post is acceptable to the moderators, the TDR site is certainly slipping.



Oh, and by the way, hating a brand name for no reason is not rational behavior. Has Amsoil wronged you in some way?



I know Wayne personally and have been to a couple of Edge Dyno Days with him. He does not push his products on anyone. He has simply been impressed with the service he has received from what he (and I) believe to be an excellent product. He is sharing his experience with people with similar interests on this site. Once again DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T READ IT.



If I recall correctly, you posted extensively on your use of Royal Purple products in your NV-5600. What I don't recall is anyone being rude with you and your experiences. Why not extend the same courtesy you once received?

I have been to Texas on numerous occasions. The people there were very polite and considerate. What happened to you?

 

[Texas Diesel]

latest oil analysis on my truck

Oh, and by the way, hating a brand name for no reason is not rational behavior. Has Amsoil wronged you in some way?



If I recall correctly, you posted extensively on your use of Royal Purple products in your NV-5600. What I don't recall is anyone being rude with you and your experiences. Why not extend the same courtesy you once received?

I have been to Texas on numerous occasions. The people there were very polite and considerate. What happened to you?

Yes, I have had very poor expereinces with Amsoil products.



And, like others here, grow tired if the ceaseless promotion by the little army of dealer/users.



Since you asked, my 98 was owned by an Amsoil person (dealer?).



Amsoil bumper to bumper, including filters.



When we bought the truck I didnt pay much attention to the Amsoil history.



The truck was very difficult to get into first and reverse. I figured a NV4500 rebuild into the deal.



The first oil change I went to OEM filters and Delvac 15W-40 and had the drained oil analyzed.



To my surprise the results came back with silicon at 37PPM, Iron at 40PPM and other numbers way too high. The microscopic slide showed a grain of sand and a metal shaving the same size.



There was grit on the turbo blades and grit in the intercooler line.



Clearly the Amsoil air filter AND oil filter had failed to protect the engine.



The second oil change later (OEM filters and Delvac) all numbers were back to normal and silicon was 4PPM.



The NV4500 was changed to Royal Purple and within 6k miles shifts like a knife through hot butter. 80,000 miles later after the switch to Rpyal Purple (190,000 miles total) the transmission shifts still like a new one.



The BMW came with Amsoil in the gearbox and shifted poorly. I changed the lube to dino then to Royal Purple and now it shifts much better.



Yep, I've had bad experience with Amsoil.



And, Texans are friendly but have enough guts to stand up and oppose. It is not unfriendly to stand up for what one believes.





I post what I believe and am not in a position to profit from posting. My posting that all the 1 million mile Rams used dino oil and OEM filters does not bring any $$ to me. Saying that Royal Purple works well does not bring any $$ to me.



But if I had a thriving business selling Royal Purple to board members then my posts might be considered "self promotion". And my motives for posting would be in conflict since I sell the product I am promoting and directly profit from favoriable posts.



Now many here sell stuff and post, but the majority dont post excessively about their products.

 

[Jaysyl]

Texas Diesel: Good post.

 

[amsoilman]

CUMMINS

(4BT, 3. 9L, 6BT, 5. 9L, N14, M11, 400, 444)







Normal Abnormal Critical

Fe Iron <75 75-150 >150

Pb Lead <30 30-60 >60

Cu Copper <30 30-60 >60

Cr Chromium <5 5-15 >15

Al Aluminum <10 10-25 >25

Ni Nickel <5 5-15 >15

Ag Silver — — —

Sn Tin — — —

Na Sodium <40 40-80 >80

Si Silicon <20 20-30 >30

Fuel Dilution % <2 2-6 6

Soot % <3 3-7 8