latest rumblings on the NEW TIMING BOXES?

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

Me. I'm waiting on the BANKS stuff. I think they put more testing and no fluff. A little pricey but I've used them in the past and it always fit,worked and the support was great.

You must be rich..... Can I borrow a few dollars for my turbo? Just kidding

 

[DPKetchum]

When i talked to Banks a few months back they said all kind of goody's coming down the pipe for 03 Cummins. But they would not sell or run ads until it was perfected and WORKED. also they were concerned about EPA. Said they when their stuff came out it be be ready to go with specs,torque ratings etc.commented about intake manifolds,boxes etc. I'm waiting. some of these others sound like flyby night bull to me after reading about them for months.

 

[RDietze]

definately not a pitch for banks....but,

i'm not pitching banks (by NO means), but their six - gunner (whatever - 'unner) looks like it will be priced right with the offerings edge (juice/attitude series) has for the late gen duramax's and psd's. you can bash banks all you want (i think i may sing-along



) but, you can be assured that it will have undergone more testing and engineering built-in than say the "volumizer"/bullydog.



with all the negative publicity and competitive diesel aftermarket, i sense a different approach at banks. selling seperate "units" like chips or an exhaust system and getting away from selling expensive/big-ticket "all-in-one" kits. offering sound products at more competitive prices.



latest i heard, the bullydog was still throwing codes? all i've heard is silence from bullydog, telling me they haven't overcame their problems with their torque dog. true/untrue? anyone bought a bullydog box lately? comments?



now let's get back to bashing banks... ... ... (just kidding? )

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Re: definately not a pitch for banks....but,

Originally posted by RDietze

i'm not pitching banks (by NO means), but their six - gunner (whatever - 'unner) looks like it will be priced right with the offerings edge (juice/attitude series) has for the late gen duramax's and psd's. you can bash banks all you want (i think i may sing-along



) but, you can be assured that it will have undergone more testing and engineering built-in than say the "volumizer"/bullydog.



with all the negative publicity and competitive diesel aftermarket, i sense a different approach at banks. selling seperate "units" like chips or an exhaust system and getting away from selling expensive/big-ticket "all-in-one" kits. offering sound products at more competitive prices.



latest i heard, the bullydog was still throwing codes? all i've heard is silence from bullydog, telling me they haven't overcame their problems with their torque dog. true/untrue? anyone bought a bullydog box lately? comments?



now let's get back to bashing banks... ... ... (just kidding? )

I am running a code free Bullydog Torque Dog box as we speak. NO CODES, timing advance,duration,and fueling... ...

 

[RDietze]

Re: definately not a pitch for banks....but,

Originally posted by RDietze

i'm not pitching banks (by NO means... ... ... ... ... ... now let's get back to bashing banks... ... ... (just kidding? )

greg,



it didn't sound like i was pitch'n banks..... did it? D )



it would be good for tdr to run a shootout of all the chips (for the 3geners) in their spring/summer issue (but, i doubt if edge will have their chip out by summer '04 )

they are being quite pathetic at getting their product to market (edge)

people are going to get tired of waiting

 

[Mopar_Mudder]

You keep bashing Edge for not having their chip out right??? Am I correct that Banks doens't have a similar box out let either, and they do so much more testing and engineering right, so what takes them so long????? Food for thought







Now if Edge hurred up and put out a box 3 months ago and then you all had problems with it I know that everyone would be screaming that they rushed it out and didn't do enough testing on it. You can't have the best of both worlds... ... ... .



I agree that they have been saying that since August or so that it is suppose to be out, but TST told me that back in May also. I don't think that they are trying to misslead anyone, things don't always go as planned.

 

[DLeno]

none of the PW/duration boxes are out now, guys. isn't that correct?

 

[RDietze]

the problem i have with edge, is they posted a carrot (photos, advertising) of their juice/attitude box (last spring/summer) and then kept MOVING their release date farther and farther into the future. i hear now that it is to be released end of january -- valid source? so, i believe my scarcasm is warranted

additionally, edge has already released the common-rail juice/attitude product for duramax and the 6L psd.

yes, common-rail.



i think you have to be quite a loyal "edge" groupy to have the patience for these types of practices.



i don't have a beef against edge (banks, maybe), i'm just simply stating that they are likely going to lose out on the 3 gen ctd bus if they don't get their act together.



nothing personal







i heard that banks was going to release their product in 2 weeks (no carrot here) -- but, we ALL know how that goes

 

[XcumminsX]

I will be buying a tst just because the guy who is doing the box knows cummins... ...

 

[krabman]

It might be a good idea to remember that TST was hoping to have this out before Christmas last year. All of these guys have found the cr a tough nut to crack. I do agree though that Edge would be well served to try and get more info out to their customers as to where they are at and what they are doing.

 

[DPKetchum]

Thats what i meant by B. S. code setters etc. I rather have a company say its not available until it works. the pressure boxes showed up in a hurry. Guess they wanted money in a hurry. Not saying banks is all that but at least in my mind it was and has been handled in a more professional manor. I had a diesel performance shop(who is a Bullydog dealer)tell me months ago don't buy nobody's because they are not perfected and are troublesome(codes etc. )I've been waiting. I don't want to spend money for a kinda works and ITS STACKABLE b. s. was told by them that raising fuel psi only was a quick and easy out and not very sophisticated. In fact the word they used was crude!

 

[Mopar_Mudder]

Originally posted by RDietze



additionally, edge has already released the common-rail juice/attitude product for duramax and the 6L psd.

yes, common-rail.

know how that goes

Has nothing to do with the Dodge line. Doesn't matter that they are all common rail they all use different systems of controling it. Just maybe the Ford and Chevy were easier to crank into then the Dodge is.



I am no sticking up for Edge or any other manufacturer. Just the fact that I think people have too high of expectations now days and want everthing right now. If Edge said back in May that they wouldn't release a timming box until Jan of 2004 I bet everyone would be crying and telling Edge to get lost even though they were being told the truth, I don't think that they figured it would take this long either.



It is funny that people say they want quality and performance in the same sentance that they say they are sick of waiting. Like I said before you can't have the best of both world, which do you want????



Oh ya I talked to Banks back in April or May also and they said they would have a timming box out in the summer, that never happened either.



I guess you could always go buy a Ford if you are sick of waiting

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Re: Re: definately not a pitch for banks....but,

Originally posted by Greg Boardman

I am running a code free Bullydog Torque Dog box as we speak. NO CODES, timing advance,duration,and fueling... ...

Greg, I'm pretty sure the Bully Dog box you and I are running does not do pulsewidth modulation. That's the main holdup for everyone, being able to provide additional fueling without fuel rail pressure increases. The Bully box does timing and fuel pressure, no PW modulation.



Vaughn

 

[Elite1]

Originally posted by DLeno

none of the PW/duration boxes are out now, guys. isn't that correct?

I was told the Volumizer widens the pulse and advances the timing... . It has not set any codes... . this from one of their advertisements; "Part VOL500 - '03 CUMMINS VOLUMIZER

THE NEW POWER VOLUMIZER FOR THE '03 CUMMINS COMES WITH A 3-WAY SWITCH THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SWITCH ON THE FLY BETWEEN STOCK, 60hp. and 100hp. settings!! SIMPLY PLUG IT IN, NOTHING TO CUT, SOLDER OR REMOVE. THE VOLUMIZER GIVES YOU MAXIMUM POWER AND TORQUE WITHOUT COMPROMISING RELIABILITY. UNLIKE OTHER PRODUCTS BEING SOLD, THE VOLUMIZER DOES NOT INCREASE FUEL PUMP PRESSURE! WHETHER YOU WANT TO JUST PLAIN HAUL BUTT OR TOW A LOAD, THE VOLUMIZER IS IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR. LIMITED QUANTITIES AVAILABLE. "

 

[DPKetchum]

I've been told the boxes out there almost do nothing with timing or pulse only fuel psi. The shop I talked to didn't think much of the Volumizer. Said it would not be on a list of choices for them. Really didnt say why. They do performance work on all three makes.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

Elite1, that description comes from Advanced Performance Diesel's website. The descriptions from RPM Outlet and Mr. Bob's Distributing websites don't make any claim about no fuel pressure increase. I have my doubts about descriptions written in ALL CAPS



The Volumizer looks pretty similar to my Bully Box. Hooks up the same with 4 connectors. . . MAP, rail pressure, Cam and Crank sensors. Then the cab-mounted toggle. I tried going to Motoblue's website (maker of Volumizer) but it hasn't been "launched" yet.



It's interesting RPM Outlet sells it for more than $200 less than Advanced Performance Diesel.







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[FastEnough]

Fluff

DPKetchum I can tell that you like banks, but to say that edge is all fluff:--)



If anyone is all fluff it has always been Banks. I have an edge ez now and I will wait for the new box.

 

[DPKetchum]

I didn't say fluff I said B. S. I sold banks stuff for several years. Installed it on dozens of Dodges. Was quality and it worked. Needed support it was there. Had a VP44 go bad on a customers truck,declined by D. C. warranty because of Banks upgrades and BANKS sent a new Vp44 pump and said they would handle D. C. as D. C. and them did joint testing etc. After reading these posts/threads for months about other products it kinda pushed me more towards Banks. Like there exhaust. No one else includes the elbow which is the first major restriction. Well see in the next few months when and if these boxes come out.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

I've been told the boxes out there almost do nothing with timing or pulse only fuel psi. The shop I talked to didn't think much of the Volumizer. Said it would not be on a list of choices for them. Really didnt say why. They do performance work on all three makes.

I have been testing a Bullydog box since they were first made. I am positive it advances timing 4*. The first on advanced timing 10*. I made sure of this on Monday. I had a 30 minute phone call with one of the owners of Bullydog. I will call again about the P/W-duration thing. That I am not sure about. I have a cured box on my truck that last week set codes and now doesnt. I did a fix myself that I was told how to do it over the phone. Very easy and took only 10 minutes to complete. I have been asked not to post how or what to do because all of the vendors are having the same issue. The codes are being set because of a certain thing that is happening and mine is in a testing stage now. The box is working fine for now and the boxes being sold soon will have this same fix.



I am a true Edge Fan... . I have an EZ on my truck most of the time. I like the way it fuels better. I to am waiting for the Edge box to come out. I want one real bad. Edge promissed us one in May of 2003. I would be surprized if it wasn't out by Janurary. It is so close it is being tested by people reading this thread. I think all of the Vendors pay real close attention to what is said here. They want to beat eachother to the punch. It could mean $100K in sales in the first couple of months. They know what We as a group want. I for one want to see a box that fuels real hard from 14-1600 rpm's all the way to 3300 rpm's. That is the problem. If they have it fuel befor 2500 r's it will set a code. If they change timing they have to do it at every single rpm or it will set a code. There is a tremendous amount of programming going into these things but the wait is almost over.

 

[DPKetchum]

I'm open to all products it just seems like the boxes that are out there were rushed just to collect sales. Been following these threads for months and it seems like that what it boils down to. The shop I talk to were at least honest enough to say DON"T BUY ANYONES until there perfected. As I said their a Bullydog dealer and didn't try to sell me one of those eaither. They said just be patient and wait. I was ready to buy until I talked to them. They do more Dodge performace work then Ford or Chevy. They used the term fuel psi only was a quick and crude way to make h. p.