latest rumblings on the NEW TIMING BOXES?

[Chris Wilkerson]

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What you think of as hot I may not, (Intake, Straight Exhaust, Probe N Manifold, Probe N Downpipe) all of these play a part in your EGT's as of what your gauge will show. The Quadzilla box on my truck will go past 1,200 deg in a 1/4 mile.



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Chris

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[SLinse]

Chris,

Do you plan on running the DYNO with the new TST chip?? I would be interested to see the results. It looks like the Quad box holds true to it's HP claim!

 

[Matt400]

Looks like TST won the race, their site claims they are taking orders and it is available.



Edge's site (if you can get it to load) still says- coming soon.

I hope their new box works better than their site.



I still don't know which one but I do know I want built in gauges

 

[catoiler]

Yea baby,placed the order on Sat. can't wait!!Next up injectors!

 

[NC_Mog]

Originally posted by Extreme Diesel

The tq #'s between the two dyno's are not even close. We mad another run on the mustang at a 15sec test and went to 3,200 RPM and made less hp and tq that the 30sec test at 2,700 RPM. Unless you run the same two trucks on the same dyno, set up the same you can't really compare dyno #'s and trucks.

Sounds like a dyno is due for calibration to get torque readings that are accurate. Maybe that is something that people should check before their dyno run is when was the last time they performed the required calibration. Many moons ago when I ran a lab with a couple of engine dynos, we had to calibrate the strain gages on a routine basis.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

One thing that we all need to keep in mind here is fuel... Or lack of it with big injectors and heavy fueling boxes. After talking with people that have pressure guages and Box/injector setups, They can pull the pressure into a vacuum!!!! You will have to install a pusher pump to keep the system safe. There is a theory that honing out the common rail might help with the bottle neck in the fuel supply but not for sure. That is why we are only seeing 450 hp with no pusher pump. That might be why some see different numbers on the Dyno. Lack of fuel. I know that a friend of mine installed a pusher pump and felt a great SOP feel on the top end. I have one sitting on the bench but have yet to install it. It completely bypasses the stock pump which is about as good as the 98. 5-2002 pump.



EGT's are a huge issue when injectors and a boox are used. I can peg 1450* anytime, at will. Just a heavy foot into the 90's and I'm there. That is on a SO california truck. HO's get there quicker. If you run a box you must put on guages. On my wifes truck I can hit 1200* on a hill empty. That is pushing it as hard as it will go but you can still get into trouble with a stock truck towing.



I will be getting a TST box after the first of the year. I am hoping that our local TDR chapter ( So Cal Rattlin' Rams) will have a Dyno day and I can do a side by side comparison of all three boxes on a truck ( Mine ) with injectors and a pusher pump to see what kind of HP it makes. Maybe even install a turbo the same day... .



I dont want to sound like a preacher but I haven't heard any talk about FP and think it is SUPER important... .



Sorry for such a long post, Greg

 

[Chris Wilkerson]

If you talk to different people you will get a different answer on which Dyno to use. I have tested on both the dyno-jet & the mustang dyno. I think the mustang dyno gives your most accurate information because you can load the truck a lot more. A engine dyno and a wheel dyno are too different things. The reason the 15 sec test had lower #'s is because it did not load the truck as hard as the 30 sec test. The #'s were only off about 15 hp and 30 tq, these are close #'s. The #'s I have seem to be real close to what they should be. As far as TST powermaxCR if you want to know the dyno #'s you need to call them. I will say that it will be the box to beat and they stand behind the advertised #'s (150 hp 500 tq) 100%. The TST will make the most hp and tq as long as your clutch will hold. The problem is the stock clutch starts to slip around 800 tq.



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Chris

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03 2500 Q/C 4X4 HO 6spd

 

[Chris Wilkerson]

GREG



The TST powermaxCR is the only box I no of that does not raise rail pressure.



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Chris

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[Matt400]

OOOOO! Too late to ask Santa for one of these but I do have a B-day on the 31st. What do you think... ... would she do it?

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Extreme Diesel,

I understand that they don't add pressuer but more fuel is more fuel... . Right?



Another question,

At what rpm did the box kick in? I know that the Bully box doesn't work until around 2250 or so and that is way to high for me. The EZ pulls hard off the bottem but has no top end. I am hoping for the best of both worlds. Lots of bottem end fueling and a top that never stops..... Is it like a comp box on an 01?

 

[krabman]

Mark told me he had it adding 400ft lbs at 900 rpm at one point. They were still screwing around with the programming and that may have changed but all indications are that the box will have some bottom end. You are right to be wary of your fuel pressure. I was able to pull vacuum with just an ez.

 

[Elite1]

Originally posted by Greg Boardman

Extreme Diesel,

I understand that they don't add pressuer but more fuel is more fuel... . Right?



Another question,

At what rpm did the box kick in? I know that the Bully box doesn't work until around 2250 or so and that is way to high for me. The EZ pulls hard off the bottem but has no top end. I am hoping for the best of both worlds. Lots of bottem end fueling and a top that never stops..... Is it like a comp box on an 01?

Greg, can u stack the two?... Someone told me I could stack the Volumizer (which kicks in at 1900) with the edge.

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I have stacked the Bullydog and the EZ. First with the EZ on top and then the other way. I WOULD NOT DO IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!! It is very hard on the pressure pump and surges the motor bad. Don not do it.....

 

[DLeno]

well those are both pressure boxes -- each independantly intercepting instructions on the bus and re-asserting different instructions and fighting each other in order to control the high pressure pump. They're designed to listen to ECM instructions but probably end up re-mapping instructions asserted by each other! In this situation, you can pretty much guarentee a serious device conflict, timing problems and an overall confused high pressure pump. probably the poor rail never did see a stable pressure...

 

[Chris Wilkerson]

All of the information I have is that the Quadzilla and the Bully Dog Box are made by the same people. So they should act the same unless the boxes use a different program. Here is some HP and TQ #'s at certain RPM from the Quadzilla 0-70-140 box.



-----70 hp setting------------------------------140 hp setting



1250 RPM 125 hp 400 tq----------------1250 RPM 125 hp 400 tq



1500 RPM 150 hp 475 tq----------------1500 RPM 190 hp 600 tq



1750 RPM 200 hp 500 tq----------------1750 RPM 275 hp 825 tq



2000 RPM 275 hp 740 tq----------------2000 RPM 325 hp 840 tq



2250 RPM 300 hp 765 tq----------------2250 RPM 350 hp 825 tq



2500 RPM 325 hp 700 tq----------------2500 RPM 365 hp 750 tq



2750 RPM 350 hp 675 tq----------------2750 RPM 385 hp 730 tq



3000 RPM 335 hp 600 tq----------------3000 RPM no reading



Happy Holidays

Chris

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03 2500 Q/C 4X4 HO 6spd

soon to have TST power

 

[COBRAJET]

I have been running the Quad box since it came out. I do not believe that one of the settings does nothing. When I am on the lowest setting the truck pulls 30psi, the second is 34-35, and the third is 39-40. When taken off the truck, I read 24-25psi with the other mods... basically exhaust and AFE.





I have hit an exhaust temp of 1505 on the high setting running from 0-100. It tops out around 1250 on the middle and 1200 on the first setting. I had an issue with a check engine light for a while, but I diagnosed it as a pinched pin on one of the plugs... . intake air temp sensor, P0117. The light has not been on in over 20K miles.



While towing the 15K trailer I can get it hot... over 1300 easily on the second setting, but it is easily controlled by downgearing and getting the revs up. The clutch is a joke on the high setting and is starting to be a joke on the second... the Rickson's are hurting it big time. It is being replaced in a couple of weeks with a Southbend. I will dyno when the clutch gets here. I have a TST ordered. I like 10 steps and leaving the rail pressure alone... but the Quad box really made the last 50K enjoyable... I had the first version on before this one..... CJ

 

[Chris Wilkerson]

Cobrajet



You are correct on the stock setting on the Quadzilla box. On the dyno I found that the stock setting gives you 318 hp 587 tq. If this setting was stock it should be around 250 hp

 

[Tomeygun]

Originally posted by Chris Wilkerson

Cobrajet



You are correct on the stock setting on the Quadzilla box. On the dyno I found that the stock setting gives you 318 hp 587 tq. If this setting was stock it should be around 250 hp

that makes me wonder if the "0" setting is just:



1) just fuel pressure

2) just timing adjustment



and then the 70-140 setting add the other one (timng or pressure)



hmmm, it would be great to know if you disconnect the crank/cam sensor from the box, but left the fuel pres connected, would you get the same "0" setting power??



hmmmmm... ... .

 

[Swayse]

I had the Bully Dog box for a little while. It made great power for just a box. I hated the way the power came on and how late. I could forgive just about anything on a new box, except leaving me in the middle of the road with a no start. Called Bully Dog about it, they didn't give me the warm fuzzy feeling that I always got from Edge. So I sent it back.

 

[Fireman]

A little birdie told me....

Edge should have their new box out Dec 24. Couldn't give me any details ie levels, hp, tq. I guess we will see next week.



Fireman