leaking oil bad out blow by tube. Need help!

[HBarlow]

Why is every post I read from you (HBarlow) the same old rhetoric? I get it that you don't want/need to mod your truck and love it bone stock but give it a rest already! You are on a site where most every post I read is about bombing, don't you feel like your banging your head against a wall with this crowd. I agree a 700hp 5. 9 is crazy if your looking for longevity but marine 5. 9's are rated up to 425hp out of the factory. Sorry for the rant but we get your views on modding already so please let it go we are all grown ups here and will make our own choices good or bad.

If you don't like my posts I suggest you simply don't read them. I will continue to post my opinions and observations as I see fit until the moderators tell me to do otherwise.

This IS NOT a site where most every post is about bombing although that may be the only ones you read.

As a matter of fact, I usually ignore the posts about bombing but do respond to posts about the disastrous results that frequently occur with modified engines or, when an uninformed new TDR member asks about modifying his truck.

I also respond to the posts where a member angrily complains about his failed Cummins engine and blames Chrysler/Dodge/STAR/his dealer for voiding his warranty if he has a long list of modifications proudly displayed in his signature line.

The concept is known as "freedom of speech. "

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

"I am My Own Warranty Station" and "you gotta pay to play" doesn't seem to get repeated much anymore.

Things have changed a bunch since I came on TDR. Back then members were worried about long life and hurting their engine turning the power up to 350hp. Nowadays guys crank them to 600-800 HP or more then seem surprised when something goes wrong.

 

[MMeier]

yup. def sounds like a cracked injector to me. i think we all have been down that road. i know i have with my stockers and even with my helfires. the injectors are the biggest money pit on these trucks!!

That, and NV 5600's!!

 

[CBrabec]

Thanks guys for all your responces. Trust me, all my mods have been done by john at floor it diesel and he has never sent me in the wrong direction. He is going to do a complete engine flush and an engine tear down to check everything. I also sent in an oil sample to have the oil checked and the read out should tell me what's wearing and then i can relay that to john. I have 79k on my truck and have been running amsoil since I bought the truck with 7k on it. I've also been adding outboard TC-W3 2 stroke oil to the fuel to help keep the injectors and pumps well lubricated for the past 10K miles.



I know that I'm not going to get as long of life out of this motor with everything i"ve done. This is my work truck, but i am slowly building it to eventually only race with it. By that time, I will have bought another truck for work. Everyone is right, you will pay ( at times) to play and I understand that. I'm just glad I caught this problem when I did. Thanks again everyone for your input. That's why this site is so awesome, because most people give an honest opinion, even if it's what a person might not always want to here.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

CBarek hope things turn out OK and it won't cost ya a bundle to get back on the road. My comment wasn't directed at you specifically, thought it would be a good time for a reminder of sorts. I've heard positive things about Floor It and they should get you back in order.

Vaughn

 

[CBrabec]

Trailered up the truck & drove it down to Floor it diesel on tuesday night. John is a good friend of mine and always takes care of me. I'm not concerned. I got a call from the place that tested my oil and they said no sign of wear. There biggest concern was the large amount of diesel fuel and the lubricity levels were low, no surprise there. They are going to mail me the results but the guys said everything else looked no different from the last sample I sent in 3 yrs ago. That is a huge relief to me. They do want me to send in another sample after I put 3k on the new oil just to make sure the lubricity levels are back to normal.

 

[AWise]

Let us know what Floor-It finds.

 

[KennethCrosby]

Your Oil Problem

One of your injectors are about to go bad.



I had the same thing happen to my 03 dodge truck, which also caused my turbo to go out.



I had to replace the turbo and the #1 injector. When it did go out, I pulled my truck to the side of the Highway, called the Dodge Dealership. They pulled me to the back of the shop and showed that diesel fuel was in my oil pan. If u don't want too burn up your motor, check your injectors.

 

[thomasrmmr]

did anyone have your injectors out ? sounds like a leak in the tube going to the injectors [1] anyway at least

 

[JWadford]

if you are running the ez only on level one, i have a really hard time believing that is taking out the injectors, however if you are adding pressure with the smarty also, this will cause a problem, only use one or the other for pressure and keep it low, i have damaged several sets of injectors from pressure and recently blew the top clean off of an injector before i realized the combo i downloaded was a bomb, i ran my stock injectors for 50,000 miles ez on level four with no issues, stock filters and all

 

[CBrabec]

I finally talked to John at floor it diesel and I had 2 cracked injector bodies so off they all went to don at F1 to get fixed. Now its a waiting game for don to get them done. I've been w/o my truck now for almost 4 weeks now.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I assure you hanging an injector and filling the crank case with diesel has occured on plenty of 100% stock trucks.



what a sad life driving around a stock truck!

If you don't like my posts I suggest you simply don't read them. I will continue to post my opinions and observations as I see fit until the moderators tell me to do otherwise.



This IS NOT a site where most every post is about bombing although that may be the only ones you read.



As a matter of fact, I usually ignore the posts about bombing but do respond to posts about the disastrous results that frequently occur with modified engines or, when an uninformed new TDR member asks about modifying his truck.



I also respond to the posts where a member angrily complains about his failed Cummins engine and blames Chrysler/Dodge/STAR/his dealer for voiding his warranty if he has a long list of modifications proudly displayed in his signature line.



The concept is known as "freedom of speech. "

 

[HBarlow]

I assure you hanging an injector and filling the crank case with diesel has occured on plenty of 100% stock trucks.

what a sad life driving around a stock truck!

I guess you're right. My dull and boring life denies me the excitement the op has enjoyed with his truck for about a month now and the joy of walking, taking busses, or bumming a ride with friends or relatives while his truck is still not back in service.

I also am denied the investment opportunity of buying new injectors, new engines, and other rewarding returns on my money.

I'll take your word for OEM injectors failing but since I started driving Dodge Rams in June 2001 I've never experienced one. Guess I'm just not lucky.

Thanks for the excitement I derive from reading about the pleasures some of you are are able to experience.

 

[Matt400]

Interesting thread, I ran across a cracked injector last week for the first time (not my truck) and under the hood was an EZ just on #2. Maybe coincidence but is there really a need to bump pressures so high on a daily driver when you can run the rail empty with a TST?

 

[CBrabec]

I left my ez on all the time, level 1 and hardly run my smarty box. With the large cp3 pump john modified for me, the bigger injectors and twin turbos I really havn't needed to run my smarty because the truck runs great w/o it. The smarty is plugged in when I want to have some serious fun! I would love to run the smarty more, but it drains the tank to fast during the week while pulling my lawn trailer. The only time I turn on the rail pressure on the smarty, with also having the ez on is when I'll race. But, I havn't gotten to the track yet. So when I do plug in the smarty around town, the rail pressure stays on zero. John did say, that racing on the track is the only time I sould run both at the same time. Other than that, DON'T DO IT. I take his word. Hopefully, don gets my injectors back soon. Those who deal with don, know he's VERY busy and things can take a while. I'm glad that my dad has allowed me to use his truck during this time, but an F150 just isn't the same. It does the job though.

 

[lmills]

First off, to get the OP's thread somewhat back on track rather than continue with the derail about why he should not bomb his truck, injector damage does not necessarily come from running high pressure. High pressure is OK for the most part if fuel is kept clean. If the fuel is dirty, then the dirt will erode away the seat of the injector and cause leaking injector. Not always the kind of leaks that flood crankcases. Sometimes it can be the type that cause the hard starts, rough running and white smoke.

The rate at which the pressure is increased, decreased and pressure spikes are just as damaging, if not more. Even running stock parameters on the injection system, you can damage these injectors by increasing the rate at which pressure climbs or by how long the pressure hangs on after the throttle is lifted. I have a customer that got a very good deal on a set of dual fuelers. Within one week of installing them, he is having problems with injectors leaking and smoking badly. This is with another well known companies dual pump kit. The truck does not run a pressure box, and the tune he is running from bully dog does not alter the max pressure, but changes the rate of the pressure increase, which most downloaders will do.

That coupled with the increased amount of fuel on top by running two pumps has damaged his injectors within 2 weeks of installing the motor. Keep in mind the engine has less than 30K if memory serves me correct. Larger injectors will usually offset the chance of risking damage from pressure. By having less restriction, there is a better chance that the pressure will take slightly longer to raise and also will drop off faster when the throttle is chopped at the end of a run. Just food for thought. 106K miles and only one damaged seat on an injector

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I guess you're right. My dull and boring life denies me the excitement the op has enjoyed with his truck for about a month now and the joy of walking, taking busses, or bumming a ride with friends or relatives while his truck is still not back in service.



I also am denied the investment opportunity of buying new injectors, new engines, and other rewarding returns on my money.



I'll take your word for OEM injectors failing but since I started driving Dodge Rams in June 2001 I've never experienced one. Guess I'm just not lucky.



Thanks for the excitement I derive from reading about the pleasures some of you are are able to experience.

how many CR trucks have you owned? injector failures are rare for pre-CR trucks.



I've been driving Dodge diesels since 98 or so and have never had an injector problem... never had any major problem that left me stranded. only owned two out of 7 trucks that were below 450rwhp



did you ever own a VP44 truck?

 

[HBarlow]

how many CR trucks have you owned? injector failures are rare for pre-CR trucks.

I've been driving Dodge diesels since 98 or so and have never had an injector problem... never had any major problem that left me stranded. only owned two out of 7 trucks that were below 450rwhp

did you ever own a VP44 truck?

Two, an '06 that I put 230,000 miles on in just under two years as an RV transporter and now, my '08 ISB6. 7. No injector problems with either.

Yes, I owned an '01 HO/six speed. I put 325,000 miles on it. Joe Donnelly installed a set of Bosch 275hp MH injectors in it when it had only a few thousand miles on it. It still has the same injectors, is still in the family, and has 350k on the odometer now.

When I was transporting RVs I knew lots of fellow transporters who drove high mileage Dodge Rams, most of them HPCR trucks. A typical transporter put 10 to 14 thousand miles a month on his truck. Transporters almost never run modified trucks because they either know or quickly learn that tampering with them reduces reliability and longevity. I never heard of another driver with an injector problem.

How many miles have you put on a HPCR truck? How many miles between injector failures?

 

[ray1933]

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Two, an '06 that I put 230,000 miles on in just under two years as an RV transporter and now, my '08 ISB6. 7. No injector problems with either.



Yes, I owned an '01 HO/six speed. I put 325,000 miles on it. Joe Donnelly installed a set of Bosch 275hp MH injectors in it when it had only a few thousand miles on it. It still has the same injectors, is still in the family, and has 350k on the odometer now.



When I was transporting RVs I knew lots of fellow transporters who drove high mileage Dodge Rams, most of them HPCR trucks. A typical transporter put 10 to 14 thousand miles a month on his truck. Transporters almost never run modified trucks because they either know or quickly learn that tampering with them reduces reliability and longevity. I never heard of another driver with an injector problem.



How many miles have you put on a HPCR truck? How many miles between injector failures?

Harvey That is some kind of miles you have put on your trucks but I do not want to hijack this thread/ I have a question about lift pumps. Would you contact me ??



Ray

 

[CBrabec]

The rate at which the pressure is increased, decreased and pressure spikes are just as damaging, if not more. Even running stock parameters on the injection system, you can damage these injectors by increasing the rate at which pressure climbs or by how long the pressure hangs on after the throttle is lifted. I have a customer that got a very good deal on a set of dual fuelers. Within one week of installing them, he is having problems with injectors leaking and smoking badly. This is with another well known companies dual pump kit. The truck does not run a pressure box, and the tune he is running from bully dog does not alter the max pressure, but changes the rate of the pressure increase, which most downloaders will do.



That coupled with the increased amount of fuel on top by running two pumps has damaged his injectors within 2 weeks of installing the motor. Keep in mind the engine has less than 30K if memory serves me correct. Larger injectors will usually offset the chance of risking damage from pressure. By having less restriction, there is a better chance that the pressure will take slightly longer to raise and also will drop off faster when the throttle is chopped at the end of a run. Just food for thought. 106K miles and only one damaged seat on an injector

If I'm reading this correctly, a highly modified Cp3 or twin Cp3's could damage injectors, whether they are stock or aftermarket? Also, could capping the rail cause pressures to be higher which could potentially damage injectors?