Losing a friend....

[Murle]

It does not matter what I say or do, as long as it helps the children. Bill Klinton.

 

[admin2]

As Steve noted, we do not want to discuss the specifics on the board. The person is not able to discuss this one way or another and cannot defend themselves against accusations --- it is unfair to them to do so. Campaigning for or against a particular person really does not change the process --- it only serves to stir up a flame war.

The situation will be treated fairly and with as little bias as possible. The interest of fairness is exactly why the decision was made to change the status from deactivated to temporary suspension. The staff will discuss this on Monday and there's a possibility Robin will call the person to discuss it with him.



Ken

TDR Admin

 

[HeberRam]

Let's wait for the outcome

Ken. . In the interest of all concerned, including myself, would you please temporary lock this tread until a final decision is made by the TDR staff? I believe we all need a cooling off period... Thankyou.



P. S. this should also apply to other treads or new treads on the same subject.

 

[KatDiesel]

Re: Let's wait for the outcome

Originally posted by HeberRam

P. S. this should also apply to other treads or new treads on the same subject.

The other two threads that were started were locked as soon as I spotted them I didn't want there to be 10 threads about the same thing like there was on "Last Name" issue... . was a pain trying to find all the threads to keep up with them.



Anytime there is an issue its best to keep it in the same thread so that all views are seen and "Heard" rather then over looking one somewhere else by mistake.



And actually thats a good idea. But I am going to work tonight so I can't watch for any new threads to pop up, therefore "I" am going to leave this open for now. If Ken or anyone else wants to lock it they are welcome too do so. I figure at least is theres a spot to post... new threads won't emerge.

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

As promised we reviewed the situation today and it has been resolved. Evan's posting privileges have been reinstated. As said above giving any additional detail would be unprofessional.



We have requested that Evan put his vendor affiliation in his signature line so that the users can determine for themselves any potential bias. We would respectfully request that any others users with an affiliation to a vendor please do so as well. You can review the guidelines at https://www.turbodieselregister.com/guidelines.htm .



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

 

[Jff24Gordn]

$%@#%% That darn punk is back.



welcome back evan

 

[Oasis-3]

Admin Was Fair

Welcome back Evan

I for one hope to see you onboard for a long time, you have to much knowledge to lose you over your Signature



Good Luck

Cliff

 

[Evan A. Beck]

Woooohoooooo!!!



I'm BACK!!!



BOMB ON

 

[CumminsAholic]

Welcome Back Evan

 

[DonBaggett]

I appreciate the fact that there are rules, but didn't his post say call "us?" That sounds like a pretty straightforward acknowlegement that he works there even if he didn't have it in his signature. Hope all works out well.

 

[DonBaggett]

oops! I replied before reading all the way through. Maybe that's why the Lord gave me two ears and one mouth! Glad it worked out!

 

[HeberRam]

Now that Evan's back, who are we going talk about now??

Steve St. Laurent. . You "DA MAN" and the rest of the TDR powers. Now that Evan's back, I can now push the envelope a little harder??? Just kidding!! Welcome back Evan, keep a low profile for at least 24 hrs.

 

[R Anestis]

BOMBS AWAY!!!! Good to have Ya back, Evan. Thanks to those who made it happen.

-Ron

 

[Power Wagon]

You know, I have enjoyed being a moderator very much... It is one of those things that brings me a lot, in the form of friendship, fun, a little info, and being moderator lets me repay, in a small way, that debt.



There are times, however, when I'm ready to throw in the towel and not come back... Not because those who were my friends suddenly weren't, but because I am suddenly in the position of being a bad guy, for doing nothing more than the best I can to help things run as they should. Not that <i> I </i> make any of the decisions, but often I am asked for my thoughts on issues and events. In fact, all the moderators are asked for input on a regular basis, and we all face the decision of having to say if we do or do not think someone should be removed or something be shut down. That's not a decision any of us want to make.



Now, that's how I <i><b> feel </i></b>. But I've learned that just because I <i><b> feel </i></b> like doing something, it doesn't mean I just do it immediately.



Everyone who joined this board clicked a little button that said they AGREED to live by the rules, and, I have to say, that with membership well past 8000, I still find it almost amazing that we actually have as little argument and public brawling as we do. I'm sure that some rules don't make sense to everyone, and in fact, I'm sure that even if you read them, you're not going to get exactly the same interpretation... there's going to roughly 8000 different interpretations, and a couple hundred "huh?" responses



Everyone who uses this board has the right to expect that the rules be followed. They are as much to make it good for you, as for any other purpose. As far as I can tell, none of them are for my benefit as a moderator, the admin's benefit, or the management and ownership's benefit. It's just to make it work smoothly - and we as moderators and the management have tried our best to make it so.



When you ask us to allow someone back, or protest what happens when someone doesn't follow hte guidelines, you're asking to have the rules bent for someone, while applying them to everyone else. What would we be, if we did that? What would TDR be if we just let the combative types monopolize the conversation and polarize everything? It would be empty, that's what.



So it boils down to this: The more gas is tossed on the fire, the less likely a good outcome. And, I say that as an observer, not as the decision maker.



Overall, however, I want to repeat... TDR has to be the best collection of 8000 + people on the internet. I have never been part of any forum before that was this large, yet ran this smooth, and had this little controversy going on. For that, I want to thank all of you who participate - it's a debt I owe you, for my own enjoyment.



Mark

 

[Archive]

Mark, very well said. Period.

 

[LBTRS]

Just my $.02 (again)

Hello,



Being new here I first want to say this is a great forum and has a lot of good information. The one concern I have is that there seems to be an attitude that we're being done a favor by being "allowed" to post on this forum. I recall paying $35 for the privilege to post here. Now, if this was a free forum I could understand having this attitude, but on a forum that you have to pay to participate in I feel a little leeway and understanding should be in order. I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be any rules; I'm just saying that the moderators need to understand that we all paid to post on this forum and not be quite so "uptight" and rigid in their interpretation. I don't want to stir the pot, it's just something that I've wanted to say since this all started.



Thanks and keep up the good work,

 

[Steve St.Laurent]

Just an FYI - nothing that was said in this thread, nor the volume of interest had any bearing on the decision that was made. Evan emailed one of the moderators with his thoughts regarding the suspension and we reviewed his thoughts on it as well as all prior communications and decided that we may not have given adequate notification in the past. Given that, the decision was made to rescind the suspension. The decision to rescind a users posting privileges will never be an emotional one on the part of the moderators nor the owners of the site - it is simply based upon the facts of what has transpired. Believe me when I say the very last thing that any of us wants to do is have to enforce any of the guidelines - it is no fun and in fact is quite stressful.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

 

[KatDiesel]

Re: Just my $.02 (again)

Originally posted by Ray Trautman

The one concern I have is that there seems to be an attitude that we're being done a favor by being "allowed" to post on this forum. I recall paying $35 for the privilege to post here.

You said it best yourself, posting on the forums is a privlage not a "right". Your $35 pays for your magazine subcription, the website is just an added bonus. You are not charged extra for using the website, even tho they have to pay for bandwidth, new server equipment, new software, etc. This is all provided free of charge.



If you think the "moderation" on the TDR is too much, I seriously urge you to go check out the Ford Page and the Chevy Page, compare the three and you'll see what I mean.



I consider it a privlage to be allowed a forum to post on such as these, and for that I thank Robert and Robin Patton for keeping things running and constantly trying to improve them. And also Ken (the tech webmaster) has put in alot of hours with them (even tho he is part time) to get the new software upto speed. What more could you ask for??



And this post..... is not an "official" post as a moderator, this post is merely from another of the 8000+ members.

 

[EMDDIESEL]

Welcome back, nice signature!

 

[RON'S RAM]

Welcome back online Evan.



The TDR is a great magazine for a Dodge truck owner, and I think this is one of the best sites going, but lets face it. Nothing is free of charge. If you want to post, you have to pay the $35. 00.