LubeGard-Sam Memmolo

[JTBMC]

I had my trans oil changed at a friends shop and his helper filled it with Dextron 3 . I had no idea and assumed the young man knew to use ATF plus 3 anyway I headed out the next morn for Durango Colorado with 6 horses & trailer, (about 22,000 combined truck & trailer) in Dallas my Trans was slipping in 1st & 2nd gears on take off, at a fuel stop RPMS reving to 2200 and barely moving, figured I was stuck at the Flying J. I called Roland and after telling his his helper about the delima I was in, we learned of the Dextron 3 accident, Roland suggested adding 1 bottle of Lube Gard. Well that was almost 1800 (6pm) and not knowing any better I locacated the stuff via cell phone in a local auto parts that delievered, I recieved the black bottle it was in stock, so I was set and rearin to go. I tried the stuff and made it to Amerillo, Texas. At 0600. Slipping but not as bad & the out side air temps droped during the night and after letting the truck cool at road side parks thru the night and adding the Lube Gard (maybe). I finilly made it to the the Dodge Dealership on I- 40 to get another trans service the power flush and then a pan drop and filter change and band adjustment, I was asked to tag along by the Trans Mechanic, as he serviced my trans, there was no shavings or mess in the oil or pan ( Big MagHytec ). The Mechanic said that the Lube Gard and Dextron had probably varnished the clutctes or something like that . Anyway it didn't slip on take off after he finished or in OD unless you just stomp in to her hard. I made the trip thru the Wolf Creek Pass on Hwy 160 twice w/ OD off and got back home with out another problem. But my trans is starting to slip in OD on hwy 70 mph if I hit it hard seems ok if I nurse up the power. Ive got 75,000 miles on her now so I guess Bill K wil be seeing me as soon as the hay season is over. So in a way I guess I lucked out I now get a real transmission. And maybe a road trip to Canada to meet Bill and family.

Tom

 

[fest3er]

Originally posted by MGM

The only time I have ever heard about Amsoil and shuddering automatics, was the old NON ATF+4 in newer Chryslers. (wrong oil)

A few thousand miles ago, I switched to Amsoil Universal ATF (and had Series 2K put in the diffs). About the same time, I installed a set of 215HP injectors.



Almost immediately, I noticed a ~100 RPM 'slippage' when climbing hills in OD or D at slight acceleration, i. e. , with the drivetrain under very slight load, TC locked. I adjusted the whatchamacallit (it's late!) lever (throttle-to-transmission linkage) to no avail. Applying more throttle would make the symptom go away.



After a few thousand miles (and a spill-port timing and top-end adjustment by Cummins resulting in more power - 172 RWHP), I'm not seeing the symptom any more.



What's the probability that it may have taken a while for the Amsoil fluid to work its way into the clutch facing? Might the symptom be related to throttle position, which may have changed with Cummins' work?



Fest3er

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Whether to use lube guard is not a question that has a blanket answer. It should be decided on a one to one basis.



Lubeguard is a friction modifier used mainly in Chrysler transmissions to get rid of a tc shudder. Most transmission technicians will use lubeguard to get rid of a tc shudder.



You guys may laugh at this but back in the early eighties transmission builers used GM limited slip additive to get rid of Chrysler tc shudder, this includes me.



With the introduction of lubeguard it allowed us to use Dexron oil as opposed to Chrysler oil. If any one has priced out a drum of Dexron oil compared to a drum of Mopar 7176 you guys will understand why we do this. The price is almost double.



I can only really give you guys my pricing as a comparison, i pay over $700 for a drum of Mopar 7176 vs $350.

for Dexron Mercron.



Whether to add lubeguard to your truck or not in reference to my converters i want you guys to call me first, before adding , so that i can go over it with you.



The reason for that is quite simple, the most famous case of tc shudder that i read about on this site was a few months back , posted by hotshot,



It cost him a few thousand $$$ on his transmission with BD trying to solve a shuddering problem later to find out that is was the VA box.



Last Friday i stopped over at Randys Offroad in Marysville WA,

they asked me to test drive one of their customers truck they had with severe tc shudder, this guy was on his 3rd tc and 2nd transmission, he had a 96 12 valve. After driving this truck , i could tell did not have a tc, transmission,or oil problem, this was a case of a mix matched injectors and camplate, or bad injectors.



TC shudder is a symptom not a cause, if it is determined that the oil is the cause of the shudder , it is ok to add (red bottle) type of lube guard, never use the black bottle.



How much to use should be determined by your transmission guy on an individual basis.



With out boring you with too many details, after hotshots post, we did a great deal of reasearch on the tc shudder issue in the Dodge diesel application.



We actually adapted our tc to accomodate some of the power enhancements and to be able to run Dexron oil. In my own personal truck for testing , i ran for 6000 miles with the dampning system in the tc welded shut. We ran with no dampner system in it.



With the newest system we are using our guys running over 375 hp, are actally running Dexron with no additive.



Some of our guys are running red line racing oil in their transmissions.



Of our guys running amsoil(several hundred of them) i would say less than 15% are finding they have to lubeguard and when they do it is 1/2 a bottle or less, it is less than 1/2 of the recommended amount.



I dont know how to else to put this, please do not use lubeguard just to add lubeguard, it is a friction modifier, lubeguard combined with atf +4 could run you into some serious slippage problems.



John, i think that is what happend at the power shop, when Amsoil first came out with their ATF+4 oil, guys were still adding lubeguard which was causing the transmission to slip.

 

[amsoilman]

Mopar-Muscle,

I don't see why an ATF can not be formulated to various Performance Specifications, all that has too be done is to add proper chemicals along with a superior "Base Stock", and it would be there! Pick up any ATF container and look at the performance Specifications, and you will see MANY listed, not just "Mercon", or "Dexron".



Amsoil is just ahead of the game, just like they were in 1980 when they formulated the first Synthetic ATF! Other Companies will follow I'm sure!

 

[Sled Puller]

On modified Dodge auto's, I would take Bill Kondolay's word over Amsoil's any day.



Amsoil will not change their formula to fix a few "race" transmissions.

I did, however, get them to admit that Lubeguard is compatable with their ATF.



If I ever get a race truck built, it will Have Bill K's trans in it, with Amsoil after the break in, and if it shudders, I will follow Bill's instructions and put the correct amount of Lubegard in it!



Gene

 

['956Wheel]

Gene, Better stick to Tupperware partys!



Did you take the time to read about the "Million mile Dodge" in the last Register (#33)... ... maybe I was not paying attention but I did not see that stuff you "pimp" for.



Your turn!



Your Friend,

Mike

 

[Ron Bissett]

What is lube guard ? snake oil what does it do ? oils the oil (makes it oiley , hows that . Sam is in show Biz fine fellow I would do the same if given the chance . Lube guard don't hurt or hinder or help but some will sware by it others buy it on the hope of a cure in a bottle. notice how on the show money is no object full speed ahead. just some thoughts don't shoot I'm on your side I hope . Ron in Louisville KY

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by '956Wheel





Did you take the time to read about the "Million mile Dodge" in the last Register (#33)... ... maybe I was not paying attention but I did not see that stuff you "pimp" for.



Your turn!



Your Friend,

Mike

Yup ! MY TURN!



The owners state, and I QUOTE:



"Every 100,000 miles, Change transmission and rear end lubes using OEM fluids. "

End quote.

In the next paragraph, they state in the FIrst 700 K, they replaced the transmission, clutch, and pilot bearing in dec 94, and AGAIN in 1996!!!!!



Feb 98,740 000 miles, replaced transmission AGAIN!!





Oct. 98 TRANSMISSION AGAIN!!!

Keep in mind OEM fluid(CASTROL Syntorq) and over the counter DODGE parts!!





I better get me some of that stuff, so i can buy 4 transmissions!!!



HAHAHA



Gene,





LMAO

 

[Ron Bissett]

Originally posted by MGM





Yup ! MY TURN!



The owners state, and I QUOTE:



"Every 100,000 miles, Change transmission and rear end lubes using OEM fluids. "

End quote.

In the next paragraph, they state in the FIrst 700 K, they replaced the transmission, clutch, and pilot bearing in dec 94, and AGAIN in 1996!!!!!



Feb 98,740 000 miles, replaced transmission AGAIN!!





Oct. 98 TRANSMISSION AGAIN!!!

Keep in mind OEM fluid(CASTROL Syntorq) and over the counter DODGE parts!!





I better get me some of that stuff, so i can buy 4 transmissions!!!



HAHAHA



Gene,





LMAO

4 into 1000,000= 250000 not to bad Ron in Louisville KY

 

[Bob Wagner]

where is everyone

these were the days

 

[CumminsAholic]

I dunno about the lubeguard, but I do know that it's nice to see Bill posting on this site again. I haven't been on here for a while, but it's been a long time since I seen a post from him.

Edit... . I posted that before I seen the closed thread, guess Bill will be gone for a bit, I know he's very passionate at what he does and I think that's great, but there are rules here whether we like them or not. I wish I could ask some questions about an ats transmission as I'm curious about how a couple of things work but I can't because of the rules. I guess I'll just have to call Don or Clint sometime, if I ever get a chance. I run amsoil, haven't had a problem. Good luck with the lubeguard question.

Corey

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

Look at the date ... . Bob's Bored

 

[Bob Wagner]

TMTT, lubegard came back TTT and Bill Kondolay had the best information available.



I really was only trying to help



There is a great void in the BB from Bill not posting

 

[Chipstien]

Couldn't agree more Bob.

 

[y-knot]

I could not see the mention of synthetics anywhere, I found cotton seed oil, whale blubber,turnip juice and some others, but nothing stating synthetics.



































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I like Sam and I like his shows... ... ... . but I have to think they would recomend horse spit, if they were paid. Back when the TDR was just getting rolling, Sam got his MIDNIGHT, do you remember? He loved that truck and would never buy anything but Cummins. Right... ... . whats he have now, a dura max. Same reason Dave always has a Ford (3-4 mustags,bronco,dads truck,ect) they get paid to promote certain brands. I would no more buy a product from there recomendation, as I would a Sprite from Saq, or pepsi from Gordon.

 

[Sled Puller]

Dad ended up with a Suncoast automatic trans this summer.



Bad problems right from the get go.

Guess what?

They tried to blame it on the oil.



Well surprise, it had Dodge oil in it.



They finally took care of it, been running ok since. If it lives another 6 months, I'll switch it to Amsoil, and see if it shudders.