Maxipads/Powerpukes Looong

[Big Dawg]

Somebody put up a post the other day about the Duramax being an Isuzu and the Powerstroke being an International. The Cummins does not have to be labled with a market researched name like the other two. If you ask a Powerpuke owner what brand of engine he has I promise you he will say a Powerstroke.



Another thing... . Correct me if my thinking is wrong here but the powerstroke was designed to fit and operate in a Ford truck. The Duramax was designed to fit and operate in a GM truck. These truck engines had to be designed around the truck. The Dodge was designed around the Cummins engine rather than visca-versa like the off brands. Isn't this the better way to do it?



Also, I think the big Ford trucks F-650 have only two engine options... a Cat and guess which other one. I'll give you a hint... It isn't a Powerstroke (International)... yes it's a Cummins.



Just to say something positive here about Ford Trucks. I like the way they look but that inferior drive train just won't cut it. I stopped for fuel today and saw a Cummins 3500 (95 model I think). Well this boy had some kind of real heavy duty goose neck trailer and it was stacked pretty high with tarp covered hay. I don't know much about hay other than horses like it and that it is heavy. I asked him if he knew the weight of his trailer and he said it was a little light now but was at 30,000 pounds. I told him I thought that was about twice what his truck was rated at and he said that he had hauled 40,000 pounds before but then quickly said that while the truck would pull it that it was just too much weight to be hauling. I asked him what kind of mileage he was getting with the 30,000 load and he said about 7mpg! Like they say... You wanna play you gotta pay! We talked in depth about diesels and he said he used to be a Ford boy while his son had always driven and hotrodded the Dodge Cummins. He said he finally was converted because "The Ford diesels wouldn't hold up to hard work like the Cummins". Those were his exact words. I also asked him about his clutch, transmission (5spd. ) and rear end. He said they were holding fine at 175,000. He said he was now putting about 10,000 miles a month on his truck. I thought he said he was hauling hay from Kansas but that didn't make sense to me. Don't they grow hay in Texas? Maybe I misunderstood him. Sorry about the long tirade but sometime I really believe although my girlfriend "appears" interested in these stories... she really isn't. She actually yawned when I was telling her about an extra fuel tank setup. Oh well...

 

[Rebel_Horseman]

If he was hauling from KS then he may have been hauling Alfalfa hay (was it a dark green color?). I used to haul hay as well, with a 2500HD Duracrap. Last guess I made was about 22k worth of hay and trailer behind the truck. The square bales were stacked 7 rows high which put 3 rows above the cab of the truck. Needless to say I was not aerodynamically efficient. With the Juice set on Level 2 (the highest the trannie would take towing) the truck would not maintain 65 even with a wind foil. What a POS. Then the toal fuel system crapola at 70k. Was thinking about a Ford too but found my Goat and I'm not looking back. Cummins rules.



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[Evan A. Beck]

The 7. 3L PSD is an International/Navistar T444E, and was not designed soley for the Ford trucks. It was adapted to work in them. Same goes for the 6. 0L PSD, aka VT365 in International trim. The PSD is standard equipment in the F650/750. The Caterpillar 3126 and Cummins ISB are optional.



The 6. 6L Duramax was designed for primary use in the pickup truck. The 6. 6L's big brother, the Duramax 7800, is a 7. 8L inline six, which also uses common rail injection. It's a strong engine with some real displacement, but too big for the cute little GM trucks.



Hope this clears things up!

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

I think I read duramax ltd was about done certifying a 7. 2 also.



P. S. The designation on a powerstoke is t-444p. It is a light duty emissions motor. I wonder why they use it in the f650 when they could use a t-444e which is a medium duty emissions motor. The E has some cool benifits over a P. Including an 6 gallon oil capacity(going from my detiorating memory).

 

[hammersley]

Check out the Ad

Look at what the Ford Boys are being FEED!



http://www.meadowlandford.com/6-liter-spec-page.htm



And this Sterling ONLY has the ISB!

http://www.sterlingtrucks.com/pdf/cargo_lowcabforward.pdf

 

[FFutch]

Man those 6. 0's look like they will be a pain to work on. I know I will eventually see some at work,not looking forward to that mess ... Doug

 

[AKAMAC]

Ease of maintence:GLOW PLUGS! "Oh boy can't wait to do maintence on my diesels' spark plugs, and they are soooo easy to change. "

 

[Wayno]

Originally posted by Evan A. Beck

The 7. 3L PSD is an International/Navistar T444E, and was not designed soley for the Ford trucks. It was adapted to work in them.

So what was that old International 6. 9 designed for , a combine ?????????? You know the first V8 International diesel that was put in Ford trucks back in 83 , I believe it was . Well I know they are in the 85's cause I got one at home .

 

[MCummings]

Interesting information Evan.



What truck does that 7. 8 come in? What kind of HP?



BTW, That Ford I called you about,, The O-Rings were Dry rotted on the IPR (IRP?). The motor had been installed rescently, and alot of the O-rings were dry rotted from sitting outside. He paid $6,000 for a used long block.



The shop replaced the O-Rings, and he's been back on his way ever since.

Thanks Evan!!



Merrick Cummings Jr

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

duramax writeup



Where the 7800 goes The high torque makes numbers comparable to the 7. 2 of cats.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

Originally posted by Wayno

So what was that old International 6. 9 designed for , a combine ?????????? You know the first V8 International diesel that was put in Ford trucks back in 83 , I believe it was . Well I know they are in the 85's cause I got one at home .

The 5. 9 came from a similar background. The 6. 9 started out using the block from the mv404. Which is where the debate about the 6. 9 and 7. 3 having come from a gasoline heritage. Now when someone tells me I can take a 6. 9 and swap in 7. 3 parts to make it a 7. 3. That tells me the block was still in use before the release of the PSD. Does this mean anything. Probably not.

 

[Evan A. Beck]

Originally posted by MCummings

Interesting information Evan.



What truck does that 7. 8 come in? What kind of HP?



BTW, That Ford I called you about,, The O-Rings were Dry rotted on the IPR (IRP?). The motor had been installed rescently, and alot of the O-rings were dry rotted from sitting outside. He paid $6,000 for a used long block.



The shop replaced the O-Rings, and he's been back on his way ever since.

Thanks Evan!!



Merrick Cummings Jr

Heh, seen that one more than a few times...



BTW, the 7. 8 Dmax comes in some of the heavier duty cab-over GM trucks. It's a pretty big engine. Not sure on HP though...

 

[Wayno]

I found this bit of info in a article in the Off Road Adventures magazine . In the article it said " The 6. 9 engine was a special development from International Harvester for Ford and it's interesting trivia to note that the 6. 9L was actually a diesel conversion of the late IH 466ci gasoline V8 . Before all you much-abused GM pundits start wagging fingers and clucking tongues , that engine was a honkin'- big industrial unit- used in big trucks , so it had plenty of beef for dieselization " .

 

[Grey Wolf]

Also Wayno, as I recall Ford gave International 500 million for design and development for that engine.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

I know a man that works for international and another that used to work for them. They both said the 6. 9 came from the mv404. The block at least. Ive researched it on the net and got a hit supporting what they had said.

I guess the first 6. 9s were usually good for about 90k miles. They were throwaway engines. Later this was obviously fixed. We had a pretty good 89 or so 6. 9. Also a good early 90s na 7. 3. Neither was as reliable as the trusty cummins but the trucks lasted a whole lot better than the 89-93 dodges.