Mitchells pulling clutch?

[Sled Puller]

WRONG

Originally posted by South Bend Clutch

, and I still had idle clattle with clatter in 4th and 5th gear driving on the highway. I have heard a lot of the people that have the double disk unit say that the rattle comes from the center plate and, yes, that is true when the clutch is depressed. The center plate is freed at this time allowing it to flop around a little causing the clatter. But think about it... when the clutch pedal is not depressed everything is squeezed together ready to drive. As Gene has stated, sitting still he may need to shut the vehicle off to hear someone talking, or if he is driving down the road and the clatter gets too loud he just needs to roll the windows up which tells us that something is making noise. It is NOT the clutch making the noise. ?

Peter

DEAD WRONG.

Not what I said.

Does everyone here know the difference between "ENGAGED" and DISENGAGED"??????



ENGAGED THERE IS NO NOISE, not from the transmission, or the clutch.

At 10MPH today there was no noise.



At 55 MPH today there was no noise



AT 110 MPH TODAY THERE WAS NO NOISE, NO VIBRATION.



Towing a trailer there was no noise, no clash, with smooth operation, no hans device, do you guys understand what I am saying?



Disengaged there is. I said with the windows up, you can't hear it, I DID NOT SAY ,"I HAD TO"

At the drive thru, I have always shut my Cummins off, clutch or no clutch, my automatic included.



Obvoiusly, Mitchell's clutch man has taken this several steps further than Peter did 10 years.



Todd,

I don't know what clutch you drove that did all that, but mine sure does not, must have been another brand.

 

[Todd T]

Gene, i dont think we, or at least i, am attacking the Mitchell clutch and trying to defeat its sale on here. where i am coming from is this.



the Mitchell clutch is an unsprung dual disc setup that we all know will hold all kinds of power (undisputed). but what needs to talked about is the driveabilty and noise issues that come with it.



its not fair to anyone to recommend something, without letting them hear both sides of the story. that is what makes this site so great.



1st. it shifts slower, so for example, my previous application and for several others who may be reading and trying to decide. it would not be a first choice for a street racer application. nor would any type of centrifugal setup.



2nd. it transfers gear noise and does not take up any driveline vibrations or lunging. so again, for anyone reading that is considering taking the fiver and going on vacation with thier family, driving several hours at a time they NEED to know its gonna be noisier and not as soft of a ride compared to a sprung centered setup. <that's a PERIOD. from what you are telling us the distruction of trannies is not true. i'll accept that because it is coming from the end user, YOU.



you HAVE to acknowledge there are drawbacks to this setup though. just like there are drawbacks to sled pulling with SBC's and other clutches. whether they are as severe, is for you and others who HAVE them to defend. my previous two posts just point out the increased gear noise while driving and the chatter at idle. me personally, i wouldnt own a clutch that sounded (to the uneducated by-stander) like my truck is falling apart. nor would i tollerate the harsh ride IF i had another CHOICE.



take a swig from the nearest bottle be it Amsoil or Booze and Chill out dude



as for the parts breakage crack, the new 13" SBC doesnt break when used for what it was designed for. and that is not sled pulling or dyno jumping. but putting the power to the STREETS.

 

[Sled Puller]

Todd,

I have been very clear on EXACTLY what these clutches drive like.

It is you and Peter who take what I say and distort it.

Peter is talking about one his clutches from ten years ago, not Mitchells clutch.

Todd, have you taken a ride in one?





Guys, Lorretta Mitchell tows Daves truck with a gooseneck. She has twin chargers and lots fuel.



And this clutch.



Call and ask her what it drives like towing to Georgia and back.



Or maybe Todd could tell us what SHE thinks of its driveability !!

 

[TxDieselKid]

Peter,

No one was really bashing your clutch, just like the auto transmission threads, people say well this worked for me. EVERYBODY knows how good your product is, and that was not the question. That is why I got agrevated, other people posting stuff that is not important to this MITCHELL thread.



I liked what you said so far, just not the SBC "zombies"(what some call DTT followers on the forums).



Andrew

 

[Todd T]

she sells it!! OH i mean, loves it

No Gene, I haven’t driven one. But I do KNOW that a dampened clutch IS and DOES drive different than an un-dampened one. I dare you to tell me otherwise.



I haven’t misconstrued any of your words. i've just tried to point out the rough edges. It was Peter that mistakenly said, you told us it is noisy on the road so you just roll up your window. When you meant you roll it up while sitting still, to drown out the chatter.



Once again are you’re telling us, and I quote “I have towed with this clutch, (ON Pa roads-5 hours straight)Dave tows with this clutch, dozens of other guys are towing with this clutch. There is no more vibration than with my DRE, my Centerforce, or my stocker. “



is THAT right?



If So, there it is guys. Gene, who has one, says it doesn’t vibrate any more. I rest my case. You better just hope I never spend $1300 to prove you wrong, because I don’t forget. When I need another clutch for street/drag racing, towing & hauling and I will, I’ll be right there on your tail, grinding it with my foot, just like you have with Joe D. I know you are wrong and you do too Gene. The difference is, you’ve just gotten used to it (the noise and ride, that is).



Of course, I hope it turns out, I am wrong then we can all laugh while I choke on my crow sandwich. and fall in love with Mitchell's pullin clutch.



To Mr. Waddell You better make some calls and some loaded test rides my friend.

 

[Sled Puller]

Sorry buddy, it does what I say it will, I'll see you in Muncie!



They only sell this clutch to people or are tired of replaceing baby clutches, or are going to pull.

There are dozens of clutches that will do what most guys need them for.



Dave will not sell you anything you don't need, or misrepresent his producst, like some fellas I have dealt with in the past.



You act like they are trying to hide something Todd, that just is not the case.

Hammer drove it, he can vouch for me, when he gets a chance.

 

[D Factor]

It sure does.

 

[D Factor]

People who havn't driven one shouldn't be stating things they know about it because they have no clue!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sled Puller]

I offered you a chance to drive it two pages ago and you turned it down!!!



I doubt you ever will have enough power to warrant the need for this one.

 

[MCummings]

I may go to Muncie,,,



I have Peter's New 13" clutch. with a fresh NV5600.

If Gene lets a person drive his truck,, I'll let that same person drive my truck, and we'll see what he/she has to say.



If I can go, I'm all up for this.



Personally I feel the SBC with the springs will have a much better Dis-engage, engage feel between gears.



Most likely the person driving will not be used to a un-sprung clutch, so that could get interesting.



Maybe we should get an Auto guy to test drive both of them ?? LOL That way he won't like either, LOL



What yall Think? Peter? Gene? Wanna rumble?



Merrick Cummings Jr



EDIT: Of Course Gene has One or Two more horspower than I do,, Oh, Wait, I mean One more Turbo than I do. and a few Ponies.

 

[Sled Puller]

Yea,er,um, mine is a BIT throttle responsive!! I can see it now:



Gene loses pull because some hilljack auto transmission guys smokes his tires to the cords!!

 

[thepitts]

Pick me

Gene can I be that hilljack auto trany guy to drive both trucks. I do have manual trany time. This truck is my first auto.

 

[Sled Puller]

I suppose you will want to enter it in the pulls, also?

Too bad you pulledat Scheids, it would have been a good rookie entry!

 

[Todd T]

“Gene loses pull because some hilljack auto transmission guys smokes his tires to the cords!! ”

No, in that case, Gene lost pull due to the officials not doing their job



“I offered you a chance to drive it two pages ago and you turned it down!!!”

I don’t need to waste your time driving a truck I have no interest in at this time.



”I doubt you ever will have enough power to warrant the need for this one. ”

???? is this a challenge, guess I better refinance the house and call Enterprise. No, I think I’ll do it myself. I just turned off that road with my last truck. It’s too crowded and anyone can open their wallet and buy parts these days. I like a good challenge, that is why I’m building my own truck.



“You act like they are trying to hide something Todd, that just is not the case. ”

NO, I’m just as tired as anyone else, of having product Zombies try to ram crap down my throat. Be it autos, clutches, oil or air filters.



Tell us about the $300 flywheel we will ruin to install one of these clutches. There’s no going back from this thing cheaply. It is total overkill for 95% of the trucks on the road. Its place is on the pulling track or in front of a grossly over weighted Hot Shot trailer. It just doesn’t have a place in most trucks and you wont admit to that.



I'm sure it is a good clutch, but is it good for everyone? no one thing is.

 

[Don M]

Its my understanding the flywheel has to be cut down quite a bit to make room for the clutch disks to fit. If this is the case, you get to buy a new flywheel if you ever want to go to single disk clutch.

Machining a bunch of mass off the flywheel does not sound like something I would want to do.



Gene, I second what Todd says. Learning how to wrench on your own truck would/could benefit you. You might not need to pay so much everytime you need to set your injection pump timing or change your delivery valves. Todd did not need to refinance his house to build an engine or the entire truck for that matter, nor does he need to cheerlead for others or their products who never post here. I know, I know... its a shark pool, right?



Don~



edit- Donnellys clutch is still holding Sickly after hundreds of dyno runs and less than normal driving on the street. Yesterday he was tuning on Sickly and was over 600HP with the truck on every run. I have still yet to see a single truck make a 600HP run on diesel alone. There are many pretenders who think they have HP to brag about, but no one has yet to go 600HP on #2.

May Madnes is good place for others to come and show what they have or dont have.

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Todd T

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NO, I’m just as tired as anyone else, of having product Zombies try to ram crap down my throat. Be it autos, clutches, oil or air filters.



Tell us about the $300 flywheel we will ruin to install one of these clutches. There’s no going back from this thing cheaply. It is total overkill for 95% of the trucks on the road. Its place is on the pulling track or in front of a grossly over weighted Hot Shot trailer. It just doesn’t have a place in most trucks and you wont admit to that.



I'm sure it is a good clutch, but is it good for everyone? no one thing is.

Todd,

I only post about stuff that people ask about. Not a cheerleader by any means.





I can tell about my ruined flywhell from my last clutch, you want to hear about that?



And, most important, you said

" Its place is on the pulling track or in front of a grossly over weighted Hot Shot trailer. It just doesn’t have a place in most trucks and you wont admit to that. "



I have admitted and STATED that very thing, several times.

This the last place to go for people who have surpassed all other clutches, it is not a replacement for normal trucks.



I am sorry that more people don't read the whole thread(S) and retain or comprehend what they just read.





Don M, You just don't have a clue, and I doubt you ever will.

I am very sorry you and Joe feel so grossly underfueled.

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by WWaddell

Do you have to also get the input shaft with this? Is the input shaft a do-it-yourself installation? My Southbend broke and I would like to get something that absolutely will not break. I am constantly pulling 15-20k pounds.

Just in case you guys forgot, the original question was ASKING about Mitchell's clutch and HD input shaft.



I believe he has decided to go with Peters new 13".

 

[Don M]

Gene,



Underfueled? thats calling the kettle black Gene. California trucks with tiny pumps and twin chargers are not fueled.

Oh, Joe only uses ONE turbo. Not two.

A good place for you to start your learning process about injection pumps would be Joe's recent article in the TDR. There is plenty of info in that article to keep you busy for a long time.



Back to clutch's= how much material is machined off the flywheel to make room for the disks to fit?



edit- Gene wrote: "I believe he has decided to go with Peters new 13".



Maybe he did not like the idea of a flywheel that was a little bit light in the pants.



Don~

 

[TxDieselKid]

Originally posted by Don M

May Madnes is good place for others to come and show what they have or dont have.

Personally I think Munice would be the best place to settle this.



Andrew

 

[Sled Puller]

Uh, Don, I started my learning process on clutches with Dr. Joe.

I am not making that mistake again.



If I have any fuel pump learning to do, I will go to Piers.





Now I know you don't have a clue about real power, since you have the Vegas blinders on, But my flywheel is exactly like Daves pulling truck. No problems there.





Lets just end this right now.



NAME ONE FAILURE.



No more shoulda, coulda, woulda, from guys who have never even SEEN one, much less driven one, just name one Mitchell clutch or flywheel, failure.





You cats are looking under rocks just TRYING to find fault with good equipment.



And you can't find it.



Scheids is excellent neutrol territory.