most power w/ turned up stock pump and POD's?

[Forrest Nearing]

what kind of power can be made w/ a factory pump and a set of POD's w/ no drugs? will a stock VE even drive a set of twins?



lookin' at adding another 1st gen to the stable :-laf

 

[Greenleaf]

There is absolutely no doubt a VE will turn twins. There is some pretty wild tweaking that can be done. I will never install the twins as I'm pretty sure I can get my EGT down with one big turbo... ... ... I hope (LOL)





I have hopes to dyno soon but I keep tweaking the darn thing... ... that I'm not ever satisfied w/ what I have to go and test the set-up.



I'm infected prettyBADLY guys!!

-S

 

[CDegner]

Hey Forrest,

You should be able to get pretty good power with your VE and PODs but the only way you will be able to use it is either with a modified auto or a good clutch. I'm getting 290 RWHP with PW injectors and my auto and we all know that PODs flow quite a bit more than the PW injectors. Another alternative to consider is a set of 370 nozzles mounted in 1st gen injector bodies. This gives you a 5 hole nozzle instead of a 4 hole like the POD. They are still a sac injector from what I understand though. The 370's flow almost as much as the PODs but I would think they should be a little cleaner.



Carl

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I'm not looking for "wild tweaking" if that means getting inside the pump... I'm talkin' JUST turning up the stock pump... if that's under the umbrella of "wild tweaking", I'm all for it! if the VE ever comes off, a P-7100 is going back on



I've got 370's on my '97. they're smokey boogers. I didn't realize the VE generated high enough pressures to run them, or is it different when it's just the tips?



so what's the highest HP attainable w/ a stock VE and POD's w/ no drugs? 500?



thanks,



Forrest

 

[CDegner]

It is different when you use just the tips. The 5 holes of the 370 tip chould allow for a little better atomization of the fuel. The highest numbers I have heard of from a not too modified VE and POD injectors is in the neighborhood of 350 RWHP. That does require going into the pump to put the GSK on though (no biggy).



Old Mokey was up to mid 440's with honed out PODs but I suspect he had done quite a bit inside the pump.



Carl

 

[Forrest Nearing]

so my HX40 will be more than enough turbo?



I wanted twins!



Forrest

 

[Philip]

Forrest you might want to do some reading in this thread.



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83168

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I've seen that thread... I don't see evidence to support the need for twins... he was only seeing 1100* w/ the HX35? sounds like a case for needing more fuel, not more turbo!



Forrest

 

[Stomp]

From my personal experience the 370's will haze without matching them with the marine pistons. They do work and make good power, but they do smoke. I have a piers hx40 on mine and I am still running into a heat issue, but that is going to be solved soon. I ran 419hp and close to 1000ftlbs of torque on just number 2. Just my 2 cents.



Stomp

 

[therabbittree]

well my ve has a custom ground pin. and is truned up as much as itcan do with out it running away. . i hae not done the gsk yet, i need to do that soon. . any liuck with teh delivery valves andy mods there. . the pods on my truck do not smoke with the twins. . and thats only at 30psi. . i was kinda hoping for more uel. . someone mentioned something about mack injectors for the larger non intercooled heads. . any more info on that?... i plan on keeping the ve till i get all the rest of my stuff together for the p7100 pumpo. . or i might put that pump in another truck i have. . mummnn

didn't garmon or kta brian gte like 340 or 400 horse plus power with a ve?

later

deo

\x/ hillfolk!

 

[dpuckett]

CB Parker was close to needing twins in the Green Weenie when he put in DonM's 450 EDM injectors. 42psi, (16cm; HX35/40 hybrid) and about 1550 deg, with pedal left to spare. He hadnt tweaked the pump that much, in fact, I think it was a performance job from PDR. He said they did have some haze at idle, though. Not to put PDR down or anything, but if they would warranty it, the pump had to have been set up within reason. But, EDMs run about 50% more money than PODs. IF I ever get the money and motivation, I may try to break 400HP, but will stay with a single, as I think 500 is possible with the right set up and a HX40ish single I gotta save my pennies for another trip west... ...



Daniel

 

["Mad Max"]

Forrest -

My engine is (I believe) set up the way you are referring to - POD's and a tuned pump. But I'm also running the HX35/16 combo. As is it's making 253 hp and 630 tq and it ran a 17. 4 at 79 mph a few days ago, at 7000' altitude. For a relatively stock transmission with 240k miles that's not too bad.

- Sam

 

[Forrest Nearing]

not bad at all for 7k ft!



but man, I'd forgotten about the old VE pump... when I had my '91 I was dreamin' about a 215 P-pump... now I've been spoiled rotten by the one in my '97!



it's probably a good thing POD's and a stock VE doesn't need twins... one less project... probably just hybrid my HX40 and call it good... but I was lookin' forward to twins and an air water setup under that big ol' hood!



Forrest

 

[BushWakr - RIP]

I think twins will provide a huge amount of versatility that you can't expect from a large single. I know that a couple fella's are having good results with a larger single but I think that the fueling limits of the VE will still require a set of dual huffers in the end.

Right now, my fuel settings are no were near maxed and I can hit 1550 - 1600*F at 45psi in no time. In fact, I pull out of it at that point choosing not to let it run higher.

There are a few of us who have far more fuel than can be burned effectively with a single hybrid charger.

You can forestall the need for twins by going with good air enhancements like porting, ATS, Port/Polish head, cam etc.



bob... .

 

[Forrest Nearing]

now that's what I like to hear!



twins are cheaper than head work and a cam!



forrest

 

[CDegner]

now that's what I like to hear!



twins are cheaper than head work and a cam!



forrest

I believe this is what my wife calls "searching for an excuse to justify my toys!" :-laf



I've "justified" lots of toys!

Carl

 

[Greenleaf]

Sorry Forrest, I didn't read it well enough... "Stock Pump" . You won't need the twins w/ a turned up stock pump. I guess you alredy knew this.



Scott

 

[REDDODGE]

how much power can be made with stock pump

 

[CDegner]

how much power can be made with stock pump

Define stock? I have a fuel pin, 3200 GSK, and various adjustments on the outside of the pump. I consider it a stock tweaked pump. It's making 290 RWHP/700+ ft-lb with PW injectors.



Carl

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I'm talking no freaky internal mods that require sending it to a pump shop... anything else is free game.



and yes, I agree, you've got a stock pump...



Forrest