My BIL's New 2019 F250 CC 4x4

[Ozymandias]

People still love the 04.5-07 Trucks, the used prices skyrocketed within the last couple years.
Last trucks without emissions crap on the exhaust.

But I would LOOOOOOVE the newer transmissions.

 

[JR]

Since we're all peeing upwind here....

Most of you know I've got some seat time in a variety of cranes. Lots of 6.7/8.3, and most with many thousands of hours. The majority of them are pre scr and they have actually been not bad at all problem wise. I've yet to see a single problem out of the SCR systems but theyve only been out since 2016. in Compared to the old Cats, 12 valves and even the early 24 valve CAPS engines they start better in the cold and you can actually run them in good weather with the cab doors open without making yourself sleepy .
The duty cycle isn't all that excruciating but then again neither is that of a typical pickup so pretty comparable in that aspect. Not like you'd see in a boat or the trackmobiles in our plant that move rail cars in and out of the plant. Those poor 8.3's get started up, hooked up and with no warm up time the throttle gets matted to the wood from one end of the track to the other. Unhook, move over to the next track and repeat. Then once she's good and hot and been run to Hades and back for about an hour they get shut down and forgot about until the next shift. Those engines have been boat anchor reliable too.

 

[JR]

Speaking of pickup engine hours, I know my cousins 13 is up there too. Pushing 5k hours I believe. LOTS of idle time (farm use). I'm actually going to see him in a bit. I'll confirm this, and what problems he's had with it. I know for sure a couple of water pumps and an actuator.

 

[JR]

Speaking of pickup engine hours, I know my cousins 13 is up there too. Pushing 5k hours I believe. LOTS of idle time (farm use). I'm actually going to see him in a bit. I'll confirm this, and what problems he's had with it. I know for sure a couple of water pumps and an actuator.

Little shy of 5k, 4600 and change. 2 water pumps and an actuator. All recalls have been performed but no scr related failures to date.

 

[jgillott]

People still love the 04.5-07 Trucks, the used prices skyrocketed within the last couple years.
Last trucks without emissions crap on the exhaust.

But I would LOOOOOOVE the newer transmissions.

I certainly still love the 5.9L in my 2007. I wouldn't give you a wooden nickle for the truck wrapped around it however.

 

[SnoKing]

There would be a lot of people that would have kept their trucks with 5.9 much longer if RAM would have installed a auto with more gears and reliability.

 

[AH64ID]

Little shy of 5k, 4600 and change. 2 water pumps and an actuator. All recalls have been performed but no scr related failures to date.

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You weren’t kidding about the idle hours!

Glad to hear he hasn’t had any issues with those idle hours on the emissions stuff.

I certainly still love the 5.9L in my 2007. I wouldn't give you a wooden nickle for the truck wrapped around it however.

I loved my 5.9 too, not trying to dog it. Just pointing out that generation of engine was the least reliable of the 5.9’s. I sure as hell wouldn’t have ever bought anything but a Cummins.

Dodge/Ram sure has come a long ways with the wrapper!

 

[JR]

You weren’t kidding about the idle hours!

Glad to hear he hasn’t had any issues with those idle hours on the emissions stuff.

All of our cranes are in the same boat with high idle hours. Its been a struggle for me getting the other operator's old habits broken on leaving them idle all day wether or not it's needed but they have slowly come around. I talked management into ordering the last two with Groves cold weather package which includes a diesel fired cab heater, hydraulic tank heaters, and multi viscosity hydraulic oil. This has really helped cut down on unnecessary idling during cold weather as the cranes do operate alot differently with cold hydraulic oil. But there are alot of instances where shutting them down isn't an option, like when you have a load on the hook which accounts for a lot of a cranes operation times.

Dodge/Ram sure has come a long ways with the wrapper!

I couldn't agree more, and needs to be a major factor in the discussion. Coming from a gen 2, I'd already done brakes and replaced every front end component as well as universal joints front and rear by the time I
Hit the mileage of my 14. And a couple of lift pumps, an injection pump, several thousand dollars to address the weaknesses of the 47RE,the list is extensive. I've not touched a single component on this trucks chassis to date. They have indeed come a long way.

 

[gsbrockman]

GS, you’re the exception here because of your duty cycle. There’s just no way any 6.7 will do what my 04 5.9 has done for me since it rolled off the lot, and it’s not anything about the basic 6.7 engine, but everything bolted to it. I’ve had a fantastic trouble free life with my truck since day one. It’s impossible for anyone to have a better experience than I’ve had.
Aside from the leaky CP3 that was a recall, it’s never been to a dealer, left me walking or ever anything other than a scheduled down since 08/2004.
If they still made em like mine, I’d buy another right away.

Mileage on your 3rd GEN?

My EVIC snapshot of my 2014 at trade-in time....

Ran like a top on all original CP3, injectors, lift pump, and emissions equipment.

 

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

From all the praise I’m reading here on the new trucks, I guess I’m the exception on the other end of the board. My ‘14 has 200 idle hours and around 2600 drive hours. I do not understand where the 200 idle hours comes from as I do not idle this truck. This truck, by far, has been the most unreliable vehicle I’ve ever owned. It has left us stranded a handful of times, been towed numerous times and has been to dealers more times than all other vehicles I’ve ever had combined. Every time has been emissions related issues. I’d take my ‘06 5.9 back in a heartbeat over this newer truck. I really don’t think I am the exception either. We have quite a few 13+ Cummins Rams at work and they’ve all been having troubles with emissions equipment.

 

[Wayne M.]

From all the praise I’m reading here on the new trucks, I guess I’m the exception on the other end of the board. My ‘14 has 200 idle hours and around 2600 drive hours. I do not understand where the 200 idle hours comes from as I do not idle this truck. This truck, by far, has been the most unreliable vehicle I’ve ever owned. It has left us stranded a handful of times, been towed numerous times and has been to dealers more times than all other vehicles I’ve ever had combined. Every time has been emissions related issues. I’d take my ‘06 5.9 back in a heartbeat over this newer truck. I really don’t think I am the exception either. We have quite a few 13+ Cummins Rams at work and they’ve all been having troubles with emissions equipment.

Am I correct in guessing that these are bucket trucks? And that these trucks use the engine for bucket ops? Lots of stops/ starts?

 

[BigPapa]

Please understand, we aren’t knocking the 6.7. The 5.9/6.7 debate isn’t on the base engine, it’s the emissions equipment difference between the two. I would love to have a 6.7 if I could get it without all the junk that comes with it. When we say 5.9 vs. 6.7, it’s like saying 2nd Gen vs. 3rd Gen or VP vs. Common Rail. It’s just the convenient way of designating between the different emissions packages.

 

[Wiredawg]

Please understand, we aren’t knocking the 6.7. The 5.9/6.7 debate isn’t on the base engine, it’s the emissions equipment difference between the two. I would love to have a 6.7 if I could get it without all the junk that comes with it. When we say 5.9 vs. 6.7, it’s like saying 2nd Gen vs. 3rd Gen or VP vs. Common Rail. It’s just the convenient way of designating between the different emissions packages.

I get what your point is. but there was never a 5.9 package (engine, transmission, and te rest of the truck) that was rated to pull my trailers and a usable power issue. I've owned every Gen except the 2019 whatever we're calling it. My 2009 Ram 4500 was the first Ram I owned that had full usable power and a transmission that could hold up to it.

My wife had a 2003 Ram 2500 QC 4x4 SB with 48RE she drove 70 miles each day and at 100K miles, had to rebuild the transmission. Motor good, transmission not so much until after we had Sun Coast TC. Another point is one can rebuild thier favorite year Ram for less than a new truck and have exactly what they want.

Finally, I don't slight anyone whose not happy with their truck or what they consider is better.

Cheers, Ron

 

[EDankievitch]

Don’t get me wrong. I have been a Dodge Cummins guy since 1990. I would take my 1989 truck in a heartbeat over the 2012 and my current 2013 truck. Cummins makes an awesome engine. By far the best out there wether it’s the 5.9 or the 6.7 you can’t beat them. Everything that FCA has bolted to them... Well that is another story. Yes fit and finish and the ride are way better. But what good is all that flash when you can’t get the truck out of the service shop? Half a million miles I put on my 89. Saw the truck last year and it’s well over 800k now and still going strong.
My 05 was a good truck. I probably should have never traded it in. But unless FCA makes some major quality Controll changes this will be my last RAM. And everything that I read on here just reinforces my feeling. Is Ford the answer? I don’t know. They didn’t take a government bail out. They built everything themselves. Good or bad you can get parts for them almost everywhere. Only time will tell. I’m just trying to get 5 more years out of this 13.
Enough screwing around with the flashy crap RAM build a truck that works like my 89Dodge did and I will buy another.

 

[TRAMPLINEMAN]

Am I correct in guessing that these are bucket trucks? And that these trucks use the engine for bucket ops? Lots of stops/ starts?

Nope, ¾ and 1 ton pickups.

We also have 8 Freightliner buckets and 8 Freightliner digger derricks with 6.7’s in them. Mine is a ‘14 and is the oldest in the fleet. On a normal week, these trucks run 5 days a week and at least 12 hours a day. There is a ton of idle time on these trucks. We’ve had next to no issues with these trucks except for one digger. That truck has been an emissions basket case since new. It’s been towed around 15 times due to going into limp mode. It got towed to Truck Country about a month ago and is still there. They can’t seem to figure out what’s wrong.