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Got one of those in my truck. Pretty simple setup, for those of you that want to hook one up in your own truck, here is what you do.
All I did was wire the lock up clutch wire through a Hobbs pressure switch, which is installed in the intake manifold & set it to unlock the torque converter clutch at a set boost level. If you get an adjustable pressure switch you can dial it in to your own trucks performance level.

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Piers, BD engine R&D
 
First off,

Piers,

I appreciate your opinion and honesty,you will find these qualities will take you far in your new business venture.

Gulfcmt
The transmission the way you have it set up now will not handle 1000' lbs of torque and live for any lenght of time no matter what anybody tells you .

While the hype all sounds good for marketing, try to get 100,000 miles out of that, unless i misunderstood and you are not looking for durability.

I have trucks out there that are putting more than 1000' lbs of torque to the ground, but they understand that the life expectancy will be shortened considerably. Vendor's company vehicles often show their power and torque statistics, & tire smoke for marketing purposes.

What you dont hear about is the breakage, that is very often considered on a need to know basis, as Piers can attest to.

See that is why Piers is familiar with an unlock switch, the exact opposite of what you just bought. He knows better.

Slybones,
You sure ask a lot,
What do you think we are transmission technicians(lol)

If all you are looking for is a
- automatic kick out of od,while maintaining lockup,
- automatic kickout of lockup from 3rd gear,
- automatic kickout of lock up while in 2nd gear,
- programmable kickouts independent from one another at custom speeds for your application based on gear ratio, tire size,
- automatic kick out of lock up under hard excel or full throttle based on the tps setting , adjustable based on your hp gear ratio ect.
- a system that keeps your tc locked up under light to moderate driving conditions or during de-excelleration only

if any of the above sound familiar its because its been done.

Sorry to disappoint you on your new idea for BD rich m, all of the above is already out on the Diesel Transmission Technology's smart controller.

and now to Chris,

now you guys know, what i see in this kid.
Well done.

Bill Kondolay
Diesel Transmission Technology
 
Bill,
Sounds to me like a ton of stuff to go wrong!
I think for now I'll stick to my underengineered 5spd!
Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 "One Piece At A Time" Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
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Howdy,Bill--Sorry to disappoint you on your new idea for BD rich m, all of the above is already out on the Diesel Transmission Technology's smart controller.

Neat--

makes me wonder, since "slushboxes" have been around for 50-60 years, and essentially unchanged for the first 35-45, why's all the cool stuff being invented just in the last 15, and the majority of THAT seemingly just in the last 5? What more's left to do?
 
Piers, this is the first I've heard you are leaving BD. I'm sorry to see you go. Last year when I broke down in Bozeman you helped me a great deal. Can't say thanks enough. Can you say what your next venture is? Again, thanks for all of your help with my goofy questions last year.

Bill K. , thank you for all your info on auto and pressure locks. You described me to a "T".

Last summer, before we went out west for 2 months, I modified my Dodge. Two years ago we bought a 14k 5er. We first pulled to Tennessee. I did not have any guages, didn't know about TDR, was not a mechanic, basically, I didn't have a clue. Anyway we pulled to TN. There were some good hills, but nothing major. My poor old Dodge barely made it. I spent a lot of time in 3rd at 40 mph trying to get up the hills. I'd top the hills and ride the brakes down the other side. I just didn't know what damage I was doing. My fault for not knowing.

I know now that I must have overheated the trannie, had huge egts, etc. But the auto trannie and engine held together.

Last year I found TDR and all the helpful advice. Spent a lot of time reading. I learned I needed to modify my truck but not to over do it. I did the TST plate, Amsoil, and K&N filter. This was to get me up the hills. Then I called BD and got the Exhaust brake, auto and pressure loc, and egt and trannie guages. This was to help me slow down after I topped the hills and monitor my engine temps.

When talking with one of the BD sales people, I don't remember his name, he told me that I also needed the Pressureloc. Problem was, he couldn't really explain what it did or how to use it. Basically he told me to engauge the Pressureloc when I got to highway speed. It would keep the TC from slipping. Again, I am not a mechanic, I listened, it sort of made sense, I bought it.

I had Southeastern Diesel in Chattanooga do the install of my BD products and gauges. By the way, I didn't think much of their (Southeaster Diesel) workmanship.

Shortly after the modifications we headed out to Wyoming and Montana for 5 weeks. Every time I got to highway speeds I turned on the Pressureloc. If I was headed up a long grade I'd turn the O/D off and re-engauge the Pressureloc. I kept a close eye on my egts and trannie temps. This is how the BD saleman told me to use the Pressureloc.

After 5 weeks we were headed home. Outside of Bozeman, after climbing a long grade in 3rd with the Pressureloc engauged I saw a huge cloud of white smoke come out of the back to my Dodge. My egts weren't abnormally high. I pulled over. Trannie fluid was dripping out from the seal between the trannie and TC.

After getting to Boozeman and finding a good trannie shop here's what I found out. I had fried my trannie and tc. Not kind of fried, I mean REALLY fried my trannie. They said I had some serious heat in it. I needed a new tc and a rebuild of my trannie. One other thing was found. The Pressureloc was hanging from where it attaches to the trannie at the Overdrive housing. The Pressureloc cylinder has a shaft coming out of it that is in two pieces and held together by a jam nut. The far end of the shaft attaches to the kick down lever. The section of the shaft that attaches to the kick down lever was gone.

---Has anyone else had this problem---

So why did my trannie fail? Did I blame BD? I don't know why if failed so how can I rightfully blame anyone? Here's how I see it. When my trannie failed it had 93,000 miles. I've learned from this board that lots of folks, when they pull a good bit, don't get near 93k before their auto trannie fails. So maybe it was just time. Maybe the year before, when I was trying to pull through Tennessee, I did the damage then. Maybe it was because I kept the Pressureloc engauged whenever I was on the highway. Maybe it was because the Pressureloc came apart... (if I have the Pressureloc engauged but the shaft isn't there to push on the kick down lever is it even engauged?) Maybe it was because I was pulling a 14k 5er up and down the mountains out west, that's more weight than the manual says I can pull. Maybe it was a combination of two or more of these things. Who is to say.

In the end I think my trannie failed for multiple reasons... mainly from my lack of knowledge. That makes it my fault.

Do I turn on the Pressureloc anymore? No way, I don't trust it. Anyone want to buy mine? It's still on the truck only because I don't know how to get it off. If you folks at BD want to buy it back I'd gladly except the offer.

Why did I go with a rebuild trannie and a Pro-Loc TC and not a BD trannie and TC? When I was stuck in Bozeman for three weeks I spent a lot of time on this board and learned lots about the the Pressureloc, none of it good. At the time, because of what I learned about the Pressureloc from this board, plus the fact that the Pressureloc cylinder was just hanging from the trannie because it had come apart, I blamed BD. Like I said, now I can't for sure blame anyone but myself. But I will say the BD saleman did not give me all the facts. So because of my distrust of BD there was no way I was buying their trannie.

At the time Piers helped me out alot. I had a lot of stupid questions and was angry. He calmly answered every one of them. He is a heck of a man.

I wish I had recognized how much Bill K. knows. I sure would have gone to him for advice as well. Next time I will.

There are two purposes of this post: First, to back up what Bill K. said, a lot of people who put on the BD Pressurelocs don't understand engines and don't have a clue what a Pressureloc does or the harm it can do. I don't think the BD salesman I spoke to knew either. I know a lot more than I did two years ago, but know just enough to be dangerous. Second: I hope other people read this who are considering a Pressure loc/mystery switch or are just beginning to modify. Please read lots and ask a lot of questions. Know what you are doing and make sure it makes sense to you. In the end it's your responsibility. The break down in Bozeman costed me $3,700 to rebuild the trannie, plus $28 per day at the RV park, plus a rent car for 3 weeks, plus three weeks of lost pay because I wasn't home and back at work. Ouch!

Bill Cook



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'98, 3500, 112,000 miles, 12 valve, 4x4, QCab, SLT, auto, 3. 54, tow pkg, Pro-Loc TC, TST #8 plate (230/605), BD exhaust brake-presure lock-torque lock, heavy duty valve springs, Mag-Hitech trannie and diff. covers, transmission and pyro gauges pillar mounted, K&N filter, 14k 36' fifth wheel, 12k Sooner 4horse gooseneck, 13K (when loaded), 24ft gooseneck flat bed.
 
BC,

I have a "mystery" switch, but mine is rigged differently than allmost anybody else. There is an on/off switch on my switch panel and, in series with that, a push button on the floor. This allows me to break the ground connection easily for stopping, when I want the transmission to shift, or in high throttle situations and to have the exhaust brake available anytime I slow down. I usually allow it to lock up automatically before I lift my foot off the button. From some of the things the Bill K. has posted it seems that even the lock applied automatically by the CPM can be a problem (mystery switch or not) at high throttle with an engine that has more power than originally. It looks like I may have to get Diesel Transmission Technology's smart controller before I do a lot of towing.


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Joe George
Eureka, CA

'95 2500 CC auto 4X4,3. 54,Combo EGT/boost guage,custom switch panel,PacBrake,TST #5,DTT TC/VB,Automatic motorhome steps on both sides,Foldacover hard bed cover,Cummins chrome kit,Black steel grill guard,Front hitch receiver

[This message has been edited by Joe G. (edited 04-21-2001). ]
 
Bill K.

After writing my post, which turned out to be a book, I wondered about two things.

1) The word "gauge" is a bugger to spell if you are dyslexic, thay's why I spelled it two different ways... even after I looked it up!

2) Is there a safe time when I can use my Pressureloc? When I was going up and down the hills with it engauged (there's that word again, with a prefix no less) what was happening in my trannie? When pulling I keep a close eye on my guages and my tach. When my tach gets to 1600 I get off the accelerator pedal, turn off the Pressureloc, disengauge the OD, get back on the accelerator, turn on the Pressureloc, and accelerate or hold my speed up the hill... usually at 2200 rpms or so. Did the reverse when upshifting.

In the beginning I didn't turn off the Pressureloc when downshifting or upshiting, now I do. Was I doing it wrong? Is there a safe way to use the Pressureloc?

I want to make sure I understand. I would like my new trannie/tc to go at least another 100k.

Thanks,

Bill Cook
 
OOPS!

It was just pointed out to me that in my two posts above that when I referred to the BD "Pressureloc" I meant "Torqueloc". The Pressueloc is the piece of hardware on the trannie. It is the piece that I found dangleing after my trannie blew and it was in the shop.

Bill Cook
 
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