Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) new EDM's

[Bob Wagner]

http://www.sourceautomotive.biz

 

[darkhorse]

You beat me to it Bob, but one could go right to the EDM page with <http://www.protintnw.com/sa_dodge-fuel.htm>

 

[JyRO]

Thanks fellers! I'm thinking the Mach 1's or Mach 1. 5's is as big as I would want to go with the stock clutch & stock turbo. Would you guys agree? I'm running ~300 h. p. to the rear tires now and would like no more than ~350 h. p. to the tires. That's probably more than the clutch will take, but I'm hoping that with a mature right foot it would last a while. What do you guys think about the stock clutch lasting with Mach 1. 5's? Thanks.



- JyRO

 

[darkhorse]

My stock clutch holds with the 1. 5's just fine, but when the EZ is plugged in too, it's another story.

 

[RowJ]

Jyro

This is MFG. web site- http://mysite.verizon.net/res06gkt/page1.html



You don't list, in your signature above, what power add-ons you have to get to 300 hp. , but I would think 350 hp is asking for clutch problems!

Rowland

 

[amillstream]

Jyro, If you have a edge box with 1. 5's your clutch won't last long. Those boxs bring the fuel on so hard and fast that with the added hp of the injectors, the stock clutch doesn't stand a chance. My stock clutch would have probably lasted til it was worn out if I would have had just an ez or just injectors but with the dd2'd and comp I toasted the clutch in one day. If I would have left the box in ez mode with the injectors, it would have lasted a good little while longer but not long term.

Basicly, if you have a fueling box and going to put injectors in, there is a guy in Indiana by the name of Peter that will solve your clutch problems! 13" ofe is the way to go!!!!!!

 

[jtisdale]

Darkhorse... I will be gone this weekend, but if you want help finding a potential problem, I would be more than happy to help you. You can find my numbers in the TDR companion. Remember to keep your rpms above 2000 while your heavy on the go pedal, else your clutch wont live long... especially when you tow.



As far as boost numbers go, readings will vary depending on which port is used. It sounds to me like everything is ok, unless you have a boost leak around the air intake horn.



As far as the rest of the instal, if it runs smooth, and isnt making oil or leaking externally, I would guess that end of it is fine.



Jim

 

[darkhorse]

Thanks Jtisdale. I'll keep you in mind. I think I slipped up some where between torquing the injector clamp bolts & the fuel crossover tube retaining nuts. I had a chance to remove the valve cover this afternoon so I checked the torque on the injector bolts. They were a little lose so I brought the torque up to just under 10 ft/lb. I probably should have loosened the fuel lines but I didn't . Drat ! It smokes even more now. I hope I haven't bunged up the tips of the cross over tubes. Tomorrow is pretty busy with other things but at least by Friday I'll get a chance to go over things & try to set them right.

 

[JaMan]

You can pull crossover tube #1 pretty easy but if you ever vhave then you'll see it would be pretty hard to mess them up. The torque on the injecters is 89inch pounds so about 7. 4 ft pounds so you probubly got them to tight at 10 ft. pounds.





Jared

 

[pcarlson]

Mines not the ETH/DEE, but I have little to no smoke from my 1. 5's and EZ on #3. Smoke is at stock levels. Also my HY will hit 34 psi unloaded just pegging the throttle. Rip is a great source for our accessories and great customer service.

 

[RowJ]

PCarlson

OAT makes a difference. I had no smoke this winter. We are now 70-80 degrees @ day and the pre spool up puff has appeared.

Assume you are still pre spring up your way? Did you have your 1. 5's last summer?

Rowland

 

[darkhorse]

I redid my injector installation this afternoon, paying extra attention to torque on the fuel cross over tubes & injector retaining bolts. This seems to have cleared up a lot of the smoke. She will still puff a little at low boost but it's over 10 psi pretty fast, then I can nail it with no smoke at all. I took the EZ out completely so I'm running with just the mach 1. 5's & the boost elbow from the EZ kit. Without the boost fooler I'm seeing 26-28 psi max. That's down about 2-4 psi. To say I'm impressed with the power output with the mach 1. 5's would be an understatement.

 

[jerrethomas]

with the elbow in but no ez hooked up as a boost fooler, shoudn't that set a code, or maybe i didn't understand your post correctly.

 

[darkhorse]

As a matter of fact, I have set an over boost code. I'm not sure what run set the code but I think I still had the EZ's boost fooler plugged in when it happened. Once they are set, how does one clear codes?

 

[Bob Wagner]

If you took the ez completely out as you stated, you have NO boost fooler.



You need a scan tool to actually erase a set code.

 

[jtisdale]

and, without a boost fooler, and the EZ elbow still in place, the ecm will defuel when it sees over 21 or 23 # of boost.

 

[pcarlson]

ROWJ

I put installed mine in December. Your right cold and #1 fuel here cold play the factor with no smoke. I will have to see what kind of smoke there is now that its warmed up and fuel should be getting back to #2. I'll see what happens the next couple of days and post it here.

 

[darkhorse]

I've had the EZ in & out several times now just to compair things. Sneaking up on the torque in alternating stages seems to have improved the seal at the cross over tube to injector. Soot is way down. With the EZ, I can make more power than my stock clutch can hold on to but a little restraint with the right foot keeps things in order. Normal (non sportive) driving with the EZ & mach 1. 5's & I don't see much of any soot. As previously stated, above 10 lb psi & I can nail without a sign of soot in my mirror. Does that sound about right?



I've had to put a hose clamp on my boost guage tube at the manifold fitting as I've been blowing it off on some test runs. I've also sucked my filter minder down with a brand new aFe Proguard 7 filter in the stock filter box.

 

[JyRO]

Maybe not 1.5's but how'bout 1's?

Howdy Fellers - And thanks for your replies to me. I've been away from the computer since last Thursday (4/29). I have moved to Alabama, and will be wanting to find some AL TDR buddies down here.



So, it looks like the EZ with Mach 1. 5's may be a little too much for me. I wonder how the Mach 1's would be? Driving around empty, I think 99% of the time I'd have no clutch concerns (I drive it like its a 'big rig' most of the time) with the 1. 5's. It would be those times the odd PSD comes rolling around thinking he can take me that I'd lay into it and slip the clutch and that would aggrevate the heck out of me. Comments, questions, suggestions, concerns? Would the 1's be OK? Thanks!



- JyRO

 

[darkhorse]

JyRO, I've been running with the 1. 5's over a week now. Once I realized WOT was out when the EZ was in, I have had no problem with my clutch It's easy to stay ahead of the pack on the freeway. You just can't go chasin' another hot rod diesel 'till you get the WB ofe. To keep yourself groom getting in trouble you could unplug the the EZ's flat plug.



All that said, I bet the Mach 1's would make you smile too. They also cost a little less.