New for '06..no more high idle or pinion factor changes

[Tomeygun]

Tom,

You enabled the high idle feature on my truck but I was under the impression it was for cold weather. . Outside temp, air intake temp, coolant temp, truck automatically revs to 1500 rpms. I don't remember if you showed me the cruise control high idle before or after you enable it with the Starscan. Maybe it has to be enabled before either will work???????

Troy

I know your cruise button will work the high idle, I tried them... As for the automatic one, That one will do it whenever it feels the need...

 

[Bob4x4]

All well and good Bob, but does the "Exhaust Brake" work with the high Idle on? That was one of the questions here.





Wayne

amsoilman

Common sense will tell you that Cummins would not want to increase the load with additional fueling while running an E brake.

Contact Cummins and they will also tell you that running synthetic oil in normal climates is a waste of money :-laf :-laf :-laf :-{}



Bob

 

[BHolm]

Update;



I spoke the the service manager in person this morning. He told me he was expecting a return call from STAR today. I gave him the version 6. 03 information. He was going to request it from STAR. In addition I called CS when I got home. Calling seemed FAR more effective than the email attempts. Even the gal on the phone figured I deserved a better explaination than what she read in the emails. Anyway... It was left at, the dealer needs to get that programming from STAR. I was told this was being done so no further CS intervention was needed... ... today.



Hopefully that is progress.



What I really need is about 1/2 hrs access to the dang scan tool

 

[mberry]

My paranoia stems from purchasing a new Mack truck a few years ago. I was specifically warned by the dealer that Mack can tell if the truck spends lots of time at low idle and they have and will deny warranty claims if a turbo fails due to this "excessive" idle time. It was explained to me that unburned fuel can lead to varnish deposits that will eventually interfere with the tight tolerances built into the newer generation of components. Sounded plausible to me, still does. I have never had a problem but I make it a point to limit idle time on all the diesel trucks I own from the big ones to the little ones

I agree completely with what Mack said can and would happen. I think that will happen to any diesel engine eventually. D/C Can also tell how long we have idled our trucks I think.



I guess it's all relative since I don't idle mine more than 5 minutes in the morning and the rest of it is not by choice being stuck in traffic. You never did say how long you idled yours so I apologize for substituting my comfort zone for yours. Thanks for the updates and take care!

 

[amsoilman]

Common sense will tell you that Cummins would not want to increase the load with additional fueling while running an E brake.

Contact Cummins and they will also tell you that running synthetic oil in normal climates is a waste of money :-laf :-laf :-laf :-{}



Bob

I was quite confident the E-Brake would not work with a high idle speed as the brake would assume the throttle was being applied, which would normaly disengage the E-Brake. Number 1 post reffered to him wanting the exhaust brake "ON" with the high Idle feature as well, this is why I was questioning this sinerio.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Bob4x4]

I agree completely with what Mack said can and would happen. I think that will happen to any diesel engine eventually. D/C Can also tell how long we have idled our trucks I think.



I guess it's all relative since I don't idle mine more than 5 minutes in the morning and the rest of it is not by choice being stuck in traffic. You never did say how long you idled yours so I apologize for substituting my comfort zone for yours. Thanks for the updates and take care!

That is correct the idle time for the life of the vehicle is part of the permanant history along with many other pieces of data



Bob

 

[Speedo]

BHolm please tell me you're kidding. How many 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen trucks have been hurt by that "low idle warm up" that don't have an exhaust brake to help get the engine warm?



How many of your truck have been hurt this way? I'm not trying to pick a fight with you in any way. I'm trying to throw a little common sense into your paranioa.

The cold/3 cyl cut out feature was a TSB because of sticking valves caused by cold idle. You might not see a problem where you are but it can be a problem where it gets cold enough.



Gus

 

[Pawpaw]

Unless I over looked something this Hi idle feature is on the 2004 trucks or just 04. 5 and up?

2004 and up with auto trans only. I have it on my '04 and it works great!



Bob

 

[Kry226]

Rjones - Only 04. 5 autos and up can get this cruise button high idle

I had this feature enabled on my 04 last year and it is awesome.

 

[KBalzuweit]

Just tried it on my 06 and nothing. Does the dealer have to enable before being able to do the cruise thing??

 

[BHolm]

Just tried it on my 06 and nothing. Does the dealer have to enable before being able to do the cruise thing??

Unless your dealer is in St Louis(Tommeygun) or Riverside(Bob4x4) I wouldn't expect a whole lot



My dealer has now supposedly downloaded the latest software into the scan tool. He is such a MORON however that he never checked which version they had, or which version he was getting from Star. I am going in there in the morning for another attempt.

 

[Cattletrkr]

na na na na boo boo

Since I've got a 6spd, I don't get the cruise controlled high idle. However, I do get to use my BD Brake with the automatic high idle. On really cold starts the engine goes up to 1000rpm right away. Moderately cold starts it takes a couple minutes to rev up. BD brake warms things up very quickly at 1000rpm.

 

[KBalzuweit]

Unless your dealer is in St Louis(Tommeygun) or Riverside(Bob4x4) I wouldn't expect a whole lot



My dealer has now supposedly downloaded the latest software into the scan tool. He is such a MORON however that he never checked which version they had, or which version he was getting from Star. I am going in there in the morning for another attempt.

I go through there often... . may have to stop in!! When I get time I will see what the locals can do. Let ya know. Karl

 

[BHolm]

Good news, bad news report; The good news is that I started the truck up yesterday morning, turned the brake on to let it warm up a bit, and when I went out the truck was on the automatic high idle setting with the brake still on. Very nice!



Bad news, of course the MORON didn't come through... . again. No high idle program, thinks his scan tool is faulty Is going to work with STAR to try and get this done. I told him STAR clearly has no desire to help me with this, why bother with them? I again suggested he procure version 6. 03, I don't think he has a clue as to what I am talking about. Next step is to fix his tool, get it to work on one of the trucks on the lot and then call me in to have it done. Guess what, I'm not going to hold my breath for him.



I am more optomistic than ever that the brake and high idle may work together after yesterday mornings warm up.



Bob4x4, I am coming out to the desert (Indio) for Thanksgiving. If this isn't resolved here by then, how about a service appointment? Sure would be nice to deal with a tech that actually knows what I am talking about :-laf

 

[Bob4x4]

[=BHolm]

I am more optomistic than ever that the brake and high idle may work together after yesterday mornings warm up.



Bob4x4, I am coming out to the desert (Indio) for Thanksgiving. If this isn't resolved here by then, how about a service appointment? Sure would be nice to deal with a tech that actually knows what I am talking about :-laf[/QUOTE]

You have unbeleivable luck I think you may have passed some to me... ... ..... I had to send in our only star scan in for repair It won't even boot up. PM me when your trip is closer,I'll let you know if we get it back in time. Turning on the idle feature is even faster than pinion factor If it is quiet here when you pass through maybe we can borrow a star scan from another dealer.



Bob

 

[Tomeygun]

You have unbeleivable luck I think you may have passed some to me... ... ..... I had to send in our only star scan in for repair It won't even boot up. PM me when your trip is closer,I'll let you know if we get it back in time. Turning on the idle feature is even faster than pinion factor



Bob

You saw ours was broke too, right? What the heck is wrong with these things... Give me a DRB anyday :-{}

 

[Bob4x4]

You saw ours was broke too, right? What the heck is wrong with these things... Give me a DRB anyday :-{}

We are replacing a dead drb also,but it is 10 yrs old :-laf



Bob

 

[Burner]

I got mine fixed today... ... ... ... YES!!!!



Hit the "on" then hit "set" and she'll start "High Idle". Once it's on ya just use the accell to increase the idle and decel to slow'er back down to 1,100 RPM.

 

[BHolm]

Victorious at last



My dealer was able to enable the high idle function AND make the adjustment for the tire size, I just about fell over in shock.



The high idle enable is pretty simple and it appeared that the tire size thing was fairly simple at least for the 285/70-17s. The tech had to choose the tire size, choose the gear ratio and the rear end (11. 5). I checked with my GPS and it is right on. The list of tires that I saw over his shoulder were all factory sizes, the 285 size being stock on the Power Wagon. But he was able to select that size with a different axle and ratio than a PW comes with.



This all became possible with the "latest" update version for the STAR scan tool.

 

[BHolm]

Further update..... I had to let the truck cool off before the $600 question could be answered. The exhaust brake and manual high idle CAN in fact be operated together It works! It works!



And a big thumb to the nose for Heather at DC's email "customer service" center who said these features did not exist. How this gal came to have "senior" whatever status in customer service baffles me. They must have run out of non-english speaking employees to promote :-laf