New Ford 6.0 problems

[RonaldLarson]

From a trusted source: the engine is experiencing almost 100% injector failure, in very low mileage engines due to a lack of a coating of anti friction material on the plunger housings. We be talking tens of thousands here. First the V10 recall (complete engine replacement), then the 5. 4 liter (complete engine replacement), then this. And this is J. D. Powers "one of the top ten engines for 2003"?

Thank God for Cummins!

Ron

 

[lmills]

I am not sure of why they would be recalling all engines. The gas motors use a totally different type of injector. I could believe they may have a flaw in the manufacturing of the new design. I am sure they had to have put some miles on the test engine. I wouldn't think they would release a new engine without testing Maybe something was overlooked when it went into production full scale.

 

[bmoeller]

Originally posted by lmills

I am not sure of why they would be recalling all engines. The gas motors use a totally different type of injector. I could believe they may have a flaw in the manufacturing of the new design. I am sure they had to have put some miles on the test engine. I wouldn't think they would release a new engine without testing Maybe something was overlooked when it went into production full scale.

I was reading in Four Wheeler mag. and Ford also had problems with their ( Fx4 package) Rangers. They recalled every truck due to axles breaking or cracking in or around the diff. They are replacing all rear axles. Said they had bad castings or something of the like.

 

[kevincook]

Originally posted by bmoeller

I was reading in Four Wheeler mag. and Ford also had problems with their ( Fx4 package) Rangers. They recalled every truck due to axles breaking or cracking in or around the diff. They are replacing all rear axles. Said they had bad castings or something of the like.

Yes they did have a problem with the Rangers, a co-worker had bought one new, and she notice a problem, she brought it in for service and they told her she should of never been able to take delivery of this truck, they tried to get a new axle ordered but no luck, she ended up with a new pickup, 3 months later. She was up set being she used her pickup. See she was given a Taurus to drive, and she had a hard time getting Ford to give the moneys for her spray in liner. She did finally get it all resolved.



KC

 

[Johnboy3]

From what I understand, the frist run of engines from International left the line with the wrong injectors installed in them. The recall is to replace the injectors with the correct ones. It's International's screw up, not Ford's this time.



I'm not sure what is different about the injectors, but I'm assuming they go to a larger engine. Might be neat to have one of these "recalled" engines and work an aftermarket company.

 

[RonaldLarson]

Recalls

My error in not being clear on the engine recalls. The V10 and 5. 4L engine recalls were three years ago, and yes, the entire engine was replaced. I was involved indirectly, as I drove a Ford van conversaion for a retirement home here in Helena. Our V10 was replaced, and the service manager told me of this very large recall.

Ron

 

[lmills]

OK gotcha. Their is a thread going over at the dieselstop in the 6. 0 section. One of the members mentioned about injector failures. Everyone says that so far theirs is OK. It was related to an anti friction coating in the injectors.

 

[COBRAJET]

I was under the impression that this is very old news. Ford stopped production about a month ago to fix an issue with the injectors. No trucks were released for about 10 days as the problem was resolved. The injectors were replaced in the lots and on the line. I have not heard of any problems with trucks that have been sold.



All 5. 4's and 6. 8's were not recalled. There was a period that engines were built which had too much "piston slap". These were recalled. There was also a recall on 5. 4's which received a bad batch of head gaskets. These recalls did not include very much of the total production

 

[R.E. Miller]

If the PSD's are still using the HEUI injectors, I'm sure it will be a simple problem if any; that system is a very solid one.



Russell

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

I was curious one day so I was slumming over there and read some about the injector issue. It seemed pretty serious. Mind you this was ford guys talking not chevy or dodge loyals. They were under the impression that the original production run was on its third set of injectors with the problem still unresolved. This was a small # of engines like 1000 but it seemed reliable. I forsee problems for the first few years so boys tell your friends to let the new PS cut its teeth on someone elses pocketbook. Isnt it fords reputation to put a motor with teething issues on the market prematurely just for a percentage point or two more market share.

I have owned fords and left the camp when they discontinued the almighty 300 6. To me ford is not a four letter word but Im done for awhile.

Although the service was fantastic. Never a lick of trouble from the service boys. No condescending comments nothing. Trained with better people skills i guess. But we have a very good DC dealer here locally. If you dont mind being accused of being stupid every now and then and putting up with mechanics fresh out of school. They eventually will go the last mile for you if a problem does come up which looks remotely like warranty.

 

[kevincook]

Give them a year or so to work out the bugs!



KC

 

[lmills]

Does anyone know if this is a wet sleeve motor like the 6. 9 & 7. 3's?

 

[Evan A. Beck]

The 6. 9/7. 3 and PSD are not sleeved... They are parent-bore, just like the Cummins.

 

[Big_Daddy_T]

Evan I was told the cummins was more expensive to rebuild than the 7. 3s because it wasnt sleeved. Thus insinuating that the 7. 3s were. And also that they were more susceptible to cavitation because they were sleeved.

 

[lmills]

According to the international web site it is a parent bore set up. I was always told the same thing. Every one that I ever talked to said it was sleeved.

 

[Evan A. Beck]

If these engines were sleeved, it would make everything a lot easier. I have torn down a lot of old 6. 9 and 7. 3 engines, and the 7. 3's are always in worse shape. This is because the cylinder walls are much thinner, which means cavitation erosion becomes an even greater concern. Also, heat dissipation in the 7. 3 is an issue. IMO, the 6. 9 is a better engine.

 

[lmills]

Oh I agree on that. The walls of the 7. 3 are definitely thinner. When I had my PSD I thought I read on one of the web sites that it was sleeved. I guess my memory is messing with me. Must come from inhaling too much exhaust fumes.

 

[FFutch]

They are only"sleeved" when the cylinder walls cavitate and eat through. I know a guy who's had to have his 7. 3 block sleeved at #7&8. I told him he could stick a 5. 9 in there and be done . Cavitation is not a problem on our 5. 9's. All wet sleeve engines are prone to it and must be treated with an additive. I've seen liners eat through at 100k with no treatment... Doug

 

[DarrellB]

My brotherinlaw works for a local International shop and they have 2 6. 0L's in International trucks with bad fuel pumps. He said all parts are on national back order and are on critical back order for IH shops. Seems they are yanking the parks off the line as quick as they can make them.



One little quick fact that I thought was cool is the power steering pump and the fuel pump are one unit. They are 2 different pumps but are one unit on the truck. You can only buy the two pumps together and according to Eric they are a bear to change out as well.



DB

 

[WDaniels]

Mr. Beck,

My service manual tells me that the cylinders are sleeved. Even tells you how to replace the sleeves if needed.

WD