Competition New Hemi gets dusted

[dlange]

12. 9 at 105 with a big single charger and a TON of smoke. And thats with a 5 inch lift and 35's! And yes, the truck is driven everyday.

 

[datablitz]

how about you guys keep it fair and find someone with a modded hemi to race your modded ctd? a stock truck vs a modded truck is like racing a v6 mustang against a gt

 

[cwarner]

CFast,

When I bought my CTD I was hesitant about adding an EZ, I remember when I was younger and they started selling "chips" for gassers and about the only thing they did was make your gas mileage worse and you would have to run premium. But plug in something to your truck and there truly is a night and day difference.

Are you also on a offshore boating site ?



DP,

I love "a" bodies. I had two 73 340 Dusters when I was younger, one was petty blue, white vynl top bench seat and a 4 speed, the other was yellow with black 340 stripes, buckets , center console and fold down rear seat. Also had a 340 6 pack (not stock)4 speed Cuda. wish I still had them , now all I want is a 70 Cuda or a 70-71 340 Demon.

 

[c-hawk]

Originally posted by datablitz

how about you guys keep it fair and find someone with a modded hemi to race your modded ctd? a stock truck vs a modded truck is like racing a v6 mustang against a gt

I see what your saying...



But at the same time, the appeal of these cummins rams is that i can outrun MOST cars, outpull MOST trucks, transport six people(if need be), drive it in the snow, fill the back full of decoys and go hunting, plus get mpg's that a hemi couldn't even dream of. I like the do everything well ability of my truck.



I don't think there is anyone on here that thinks a cummins diesel is the ultimate racing motor. It's not.



Just my opinion...



Chris



One other thought, I see dozens of hemis on the street every week. I have only raced two. The thing that makes it funny is when these guys come looking for a race, thinking they really have something. Then they get beat by a slow and noisy diesel. I don't even mess with the ones just going about their business.

 

[DPelletier]

I agree with Chris,



Hey, I have an idea give them each $1,000. 00 and see which truck's faster, the hemi or the Cummins 600. Unless the 600 is faster already.



Dave

 

[JoshPeters]

Compair apples to apples. Ok... put 250,000 miles on that Hemi... see what happens when you race. If it makes it that far :-laf IF it was to beat a CTD with the same miles in the 1/4 lets take a CTD with 250,000 miles, put a goose neck trailer with 10,000lbs behind it..... do the same to a NEW Hemi and lets see who wins. We can use my truck as the "test" CTD. Oh that's right mine isn't stock... ... I guess we could use a friends CTD with 500,000 miles on it. It won't matter anyway.



Anyway you slice it, the Hemi is a good car engine. It's not worth a crap in a truck. Milage sucks, Slow, and they don't even sound that good piped!



Josh

 

[BRayls]

Originally posted by datablitz

how about you guys keep it fair and find someone with a modded hemi to race your modded ctd? a stock truck vs a modded truck is like racing a v6 mustang against a gt

"I agree with Chris,



Hey, I have an idea give them each $1,000. 00 and see which truck's faster, the hemi or the Cummins 600. Unless the 600 is faster already.



Dave"



Dave beat me to it ,I was thinking give the guy with the hemi 500 bucks and the ctd the same come back who will win,not the hemi I assure you that. but chris is right I don't start the runs they do. Oo. just making sure they respect us .

 

[CFast]

Since all you're really talking is racing, not towing or hauling, why not turbo charge a HEMI and run it against a CTD? I know, I know it won't last 500,000miles, and all that happy BS. I'm talking 1/4 mile. CTD vs. HemiTurbo or Hemisupercharged. Horsepower is horsepower, I don't care what makes it or how long it lasts as long as it goes 1/4 mile. That being said, I love my CTD and wouldn't trade it for a HEMI truck.

You guys ever drive an A body big block? My duster with a 451 will get sideways at 45mph. fun and scary.

 

[NIsaacs]

Like I have said before, pound for pound, gassers in general will not perform with the Cummins. If that 451 cid motor was installed in a 7,000 lbs truck, it wouldn't pull the hat off your head. Or if the Cummins could be installed in the Duster, it would go sideways at 45 mph also. I am not knocking your car, that is an awesome combo. But I have raced, mud boged, sled pulled and towed with big block Ford and Chevys. They do very well and are fun, but they are all lighter vehicles. Then when you get up in elavation, like where I live, the gasser really falls on it's face. Again I am not disrespecting your car or opinion .





"IF IT AIN'T CUMMINS POWERED, IT AIN'T A TRUCK"





"NICK"

 

[Snow man]

With my Don M mach 6s, my truck goes sideways at 45mph roll on locked in 3rd,in fact any irregularity in the pavement and itll fight for traction even in OD. Im sure the 4. 10 gears help gets the tires going a little too.

 

[BRayls]

Originally posted by CFast

Since all you're really talking is racing, not towing or hauling, why not turbo charge a HEMI and run it against a CTD? I know, I know it won't last 500,000miles, and all that happy BS. I'm talking 1/4 mile. CTD vs. HemiTurbo or Hemisupercharged. Horsepower is horsepower, I don't care what makes it or how long it lasts as long as it goes 1/4 mile. That being said, I love my CTD and wouldn't trade it for a HEMI truck.

You guys ever drive an A body big block? My duster with a 451 will get sideways at 45mph. fun and scary.

yes I have ridden in big block cars of all makes and models. how much are you going to spend to make the hemi run?that being said there are some pretty fast not streetable cummins out there. as for the big block cars funnest I have ridden in was a 67 buick gs with a 70 455 (out of an electa 225) only a kenne-bell cam and headers car was wicked fast on 70 series radials running 12. 20 at 125 with 3. 40 gears. but in reality the hemi will spend much more $$ to run with mild ctd's let alone beat us. heck a 97-early 98 with a 300 mod will smoke 'em. they spent that on their duals.

 

[CFast]

Well I built my 451 for torque. 580 ftlbs @2200rpm and 425 hp @ 4700rpm at the flywheel. I think that's a little more than enough to move a 7000lbs truck. I'll go with a gas engine for racing, more rpm's. Not bashing cummins, but I like big blocks. Like I said before HP is HP. "X" amount of horsepower at a given weight will go "Y" mph in the quarter mile. Gas or Diesel. I think I've said enough, not trying to **** anyone off.

 

[DPelletier]

I like big blocks too and your Duster sounds like quite a ride. My 455 W-30 would set you back in your seat quite well too. I could get rubber at 105 mph shifting into 3rd! But back to the discussion, my point was only that the Cummins costs less to make more power than a hemi. period. How much would it cost to turbocharge a hemi? Lots, I'd wager. It'd be fun though!



Cheers

Dave

 

[CFast]

Yeah that's one thing I really like about the cummins, cheap HP.

 

[Snow man]

Try towing with a high compression, cammed,/or turbod Hemi. Its not going to happen. For the buck you cant beat the cummins for making HP.

 

[biggy238]

I think you need to look at this.



Turn the fuel up on the CTD to match the mileage of ANY hemi.



Also tune that transmission in the CTD to hold up to the torque.



You know they didn't DETUNE the transmission in the new hemi like the new cummins machines. It was the only way to get the CTD out of warranty with their transmission's in one piece.



That makes the playing field even between the two of them. Take a wild guess at who would be in front in the same body style, same weight class truck.

 

[JoshPeters]

I hate to say it... . but that 5spd with the Hemi is a Benz transmission... Check out the newist Car and Driver with the V12 comparo..... Yep... same transmission. They can make that trans hold crazy power. I don't know if could handle our CTD's but as far as anything a "hemi" can throw... no problem. The V12 in that issue is almost 500hp over 500 torque. Beats a Farrari 30-50 by half a second, and is . 1 behind it 0-60.



Josh

 

[CumminFast]

580 ftlbs @2200rpm and 425 hp @ 4700rpm at the flywheel. I think that's a little more than enough to move a 7000lbs truck.

well that is really not alot of hp... that is about 380ish to the ground?? For a 12v motor a pair of 370 injectors and some pump tuning 380hp is super easy. There is one particular truck in GA that runs 11. 16 and is extremely streetable. So I wouldn't rule the cummins out of racing. I mean what is the fun in building a gas motor for racing? Its been done somewhere by somebody! Not so w/ these diesel engines. It is a new frontier. I dunno just my opinion.

 

[Prairie Dog]

Originally posted by Rams-n-Hogs

Not all of us buy into that stereotype. We just don't necessarily need to spend the extra 10 grand on a truck with a Cummins in it. With that said, how much extra have you guys spent BOMBing your Cummins so it could touch a Hemi, because a stock Cummins won't? And yes, I have driven the new ones, for comparison.



Jim

Any new Cummin's with a $400 box will spank a Hemi, I spent more on my TST but I can get the job done on level 4 alone.

You could spend $4000 on that Hemi and my TST equiped Cummins will still humiliate it.

 

[CFast]

What happens to the longivety of the cummins when you start running faster than say low 12's? Will it still last 300,000+ miles?