New member to the overloaded club, 53140 lbs!!!

[DarrellB]

That looks way too cool behind the ram. Could you imagine filling that thing with water and trying to pull it.



Hey Batman, It was a big woodin spoon with a long handle.



Pull ON

Big D

 

[Shrimpy]

And please Mr. Nvr Fnsh, with your BSME on the wall, explain to all us FARMERS how a truck traveling at 40 mph obviously overloaded, is infinitely safer than a 18 wheeler traveling on a PUBLIC roadway at 70+ mph grossing up to 85,000# legaly!!!!



I'm not saying what he did was right, but under the circumstances do not see a problem with it. He was in a sparsley populated RURAL area. He knew he was overloaded and hopefully was double aware of his limitations. I would much rather meet him in the setting he described, than some of the big rigs traveling the roadways. I'm not trying to knock OTR truckers, just that as with any job or situation that has much repetion, you find your comfort zone. The above poster was out of his based on the scenario he laid forth. He was KEENLY aware of the situation, and possible resulting consequences.

 

[Batman]

DarrellB

"Hey Batman, It was a big woodin spoon with a long handle. "

Okay, what does this mean??? This is the first time I've heard this.

 

[Ray Torresdal]

brakes

The other issue that hasn't been addressed: I'll bet that Nathan's big wagon had surge brakes. Most of the big wagons have a hydraulic cylinder on the tongue of the wagon, that when compressed activates the hydraulic brakes. There was virtually no weight on the pickup hitch - maybe 50 or 100 lbs. , the weight of the wagon tongue. The harder the pickup braked, the harder the wagon braked. Surge brakes on these big wagons is the only way they can be pulled in tandem, even behind big tractors if there are any hills involved. I'm not sure what the local DOT officer would have said, they don't seem to bother farmers too much in Iowa, but I hear that in Minneasota they are hard of the farmers. Ray

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by Shrimpy

And please Mr. Nvr Fnsh, with your BSME on the wall, explain to all us FARMERS how a truck traveling at 40 mph obviously overloaded, is infinitely safer than a 18 wheeler traveling on a PUBLIC roadway at 70+ mph grossing up to 85,000# legaly!!!!

Not sure what you mean by the above statement. I think you meant to say 'why is the 18 wheeler safer than the P/U'. How 'bout safety factor? The OTR rig is designed to deal with the 80k gcwr everyday - the pick-up is not designed to deal with ~43k trailers everyday. The OTR rig might have a hope in he11 to stop if the trailer brakes fail - did someone earlier mention failed brake controller & pucker factor... .



I never said 70+ in an OTR rig was a great idea. But again, the truck is designed to handle the load - not necessarily at those speeds though. Speed limits are a different windmill to charge



I am curious as to the hitch connection - pintle mounted on the factory receiver? It's not only tongue weight that will cause a failure.



I've never been a fan of surge brakes on any trailer. The few times I've towed with surge brakes I felt like I was getting pushed around until the brakes activated. And this was on a boat trailer behind a P/U. I can't imagine what ~43k feels like pushing a 7500lb truck.



Brian

 

[CRuD]

Fresh Air is a good thing

I'm glad that I work outside in the fresh air and not stuck in an office with a "BSME on the wall".

Everything is not written in black and white.

I am only a high school and the school of hard knocks grad. I don't think I can explain why the man pulled what he did in a safe manner from the sounds of it.

See Ya

Chris

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Has anyone ever hit a tennis ball with a baseball bat? How about used a tennis racket for a fly swatter? Here's one I'm sure we've all done, Used a cresent wrench for a hammer My point is; GO BIG OR GO HOME... ..... NO SISSYS





p. s. you spelled never finish wrong

 

[GSchlegel]

Originally posted by NVR FNSH







I've never been a fan of surge brakes on any trailer. The few times I've towed with surge brakes I felt like I was getting pushed around until the brakes activated. And this was on a boat trailer behind a P/U. I can't imagine what ~43k feels like pushing a 7500lb truck.



Brian

I personnely prefer surge brakes. Used them for 5 yrs. towing industrial equipment, put close to 100,000 miles on one trailer with never a failure. No need to adjust between empty and loaded. Only had to have the brakes adjusted a few times to keep them up to snuff. Their braking force was exactly proportional to that of the trucks. By the way, this was towing 9,000# behind a light weight Chebby 1/2 ton w/3 speed auto.

Just my . 02

Gene

 

[GLASMITHS]

OVERLOADED DODGE CUMMINS?????

He might have overloaded his DC hitch(no biggie), but not his engine.



This was posted 08-18-2001 by Hemi(R)Dart quote" The Sterling truck Acterra 8500 offers the ISB B series Cummins as optionsl equipment. Even the 175 HP ISB is fine. Its GVW is 64,000 lbs



Somebody ought to post that on the Dura-Dud site.

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by klenger

That might be a new record. I think that Eric tried to pull a RR car, but I think it was empty so it doesn't really count.

It wasn't me that tried/did that. That was EMDDIESEL that pulled a RR car. He said he wanted to try for a locomotive. Most of the AC's (4400hp and 6000hp) weigh in at bout 415,000lbs each.



A loaded coal car only weighs 132 tons usually

 

[CGoyette]

AGAIN IF YOU NEVER HAD TO HAUL GRAIN SHUT UP

Hey if you never hauled grain to a grainery you have no bussiness giving this guy hel*. I ask you to drive from your urbanite home to the rural back country and look at a famers land anbd ask what it takes to make ends meet. Simple you do with what you have... most family farms don't have a 18 wheeler so they haul there grain to the local grainery in the wagon they pulled in the field with a John Deere or Ford or Mccormick or what ever tractor they had pulling there implements. They do this slow because the ycan't afford to break equipment. So again this aint some race day with a million pounds, its a man trying to make ends meet. funny I'll bet all the whinners about this would reall scream when there bread or Corn or meat goes up 25 percent.



I am not even gonna tell you about hauling Bulls for my father in law... . at 2000-2500 LBS each... . and when they get to fightin in the trailer the truck gets a swayin! You'd have to feel it once to belive the power in them animals.

 

[Batman]

CGoyette

Take a deep breath. Alot of us "urbanite" folk DON't understand (especailly me). I have retracted my intial comment. Many times you here people being overloaded is with campers or car haulers ON THE HIGHWAYS AT HIGHWAY SPEED!

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=27833&goto=newpost

The above thread is what "I" was referring to (not that specific accident, but ones like them). Not for someone going reasoanble speed on back roads.

Hopefully you don't take THIS as a flame to you statement above. Do to the responses after my intial reply, I have learned HOW & WHY the farmers do what they do.

Off the soapbox.

 

[Straight6Jeff]

CGoyette, my thoughts exactly. WHile I have never hauled grain, I have pulled cows, bulls, turkeys, and related food. Granted this was a few years ago. The farmers I worked with could not aford to buy a used tractor to be the "right tool for the job". we used what ever we had.



A few years ago, there was some fierce strait line winds that ripped through upstate NY. A lot of carnage occured. We used our trucks for every imaginable improper purpose. pulling trees, wires, utility equiptment, wrecked houses, you name it, we hooked to it (sorry, I had a Chebby then). If one truck coudn't move the tree or equiptment, we hooke a second or a third truck in parallel. If we had waited for the "proper Tool", the county would have been shut down for a lot longer than the 8 days it was.

 

[klenger]

Sorry Eric. I new it had to be one of you guys. So, are you saying you're not that crazy, or just haven't had the chance to try it yet?

 

[NVR FNSH]

Re: OVERLOADED DODGE CUMMINS?????

Originally posted by GLASMITHS

He might have overloaded his DC hitch(no biggie), but not his engine.



This was posted 08-18-2001 by Hemi(R)Dart quote" The Sterling truck Acterra 8500 offers the ISB B series Cummins as optionsl equipment. Even the 175 HP ISB is fine. Its GVW is 64,000 lbs



Somebody ought to post that on the Dura-Dud site. [/QUOTE



I never said that the engine wasn't capable of the job. But, unfortunately you can't drive an engine on a public road w/o the rest of the vehicle. Care to explain why overloading the hitch is no biggie? Gee, I kinda thought that the connection to the trailer might be important.



As far as using a baseball bat to hit a tennis ball (totally lame and inappropriate comparison BTW) or a crescent wrench as a hammer. How many times have you used that crescent wrench to get the job done and then gone out and bought the correct tool because it wasn't worth the pain & suffering of using the crescent the next time?



GGoyette - why is a farmer any different than an OTR owner/operator? The owner/operator has to (or is at least supposed to - punishible by citation/fine) meet DOT regs for weight/log book/maintenance. Would seem to me that he is trying to make ends meet as well and should be allowed to tow that 48ft trailer with a P/U cause it's all he has.



As far as whining about costs going up - I might not like increased prices but if it's cost of doing business it needs to be addressed/accounted for.



Brian

 

[klenger]

These with pulling wagons. I would never load a goosenck

From what I understand of the situation, he did not overload the hitch. The trailer was the 4 wheel type used on farms that's more like a wagon, where all of the load is supported by the trailer wheels. The only thing the truck did was to provide the propulsion to move it.

 

[MidwestMotorman]

Don't start a war

Holy cow... no fighting please. Any flame has been forgiven. Here is a photo of the truck and a single load. These weigh right at 30k together.

 

[MidwestMotorman]

another view

Here is another view of it. The truck is a 93 W350 CC, 4:10 auto. It has 76k miles and is one of the rare Centurion models.

 

[MidwestMotorman]

the hitch

No, this is not a receiver hitch. These loads would tear it out of the frame or break it off. This is an ag hitch or shock hitch. This is a spare one that will go on my truck one of these days. It is very heavy duty, and it really should not be mounted on a stock bumper.

 

[MidwestMotorman]

using a semi

Well, as far as using a semi, they do not dare go in the fields, because they get helplessly stranded. So they stay on the road. Then you need a $30,000 dollar wagon, that is massive, packs the ground, and needs to unload itself into the semi. Not to mention the $125,000 four wheel tractor to pull it. As long as you are going to buy all of this high dollar equipment that is going only to fill a semi, why not just spend the $250,000 for a combine that will fill the big wagon faster so the semi can actually have enough time to get into town, and not wait on the road all day. Thus further inflicting more harm upon farmers' reputations as the urbanites cuss and curse the darn semi sitting on the roadway, impeding traffic.



Wait a minute, I can petition the politicians for more subsidies. As long as the general public is going to rake the farmers over the coals, they might as well pay for it. After all, it is the cost of doing business, right?



No intention to flame the city folk. I have enjoyed watching the conversation over this.