New member to the overloaded club, 53140 lbs!!!

[Pull'nOld Iron]

Well I posted my first response before reading all the pages and I have gained a new appreciation of the issues discussed.



NVRFINISHEd is right. It was overloaded..... so what!



For the rest of us, we have to remember, half of the engineers in the world graduated in the bottom of their class. I guess we know which half to place this one in.



Now let's all sing koombuya... .....

 

[Diesel Freak]

NVR FNSH, you brought up an interesting point. First off, there was no weight on the truck frame in this case. It was all draw bar weight... . that means pulling and pushing, not carying. the areas of concern are brakes, and draw bar load. The hitch pin on our trucks is 5/8" in diameter and probably made of at least 4340 Steel



area of the pin= . 307"



Ultimate shear limit for 4340 steel is 95ksi



there are two sections of the pin that are under shear, so effective area is . 614"



. 614*95000=58300



58300-53140 = 5190



there was a 5190# not including truck weight but assuming 6000# His margin grows to 11190# till the pin broke.



Nathan was lucky, and careful, few hills and not jerky with the load. Trailers like these usually have surge brakes because they are pulled by tractors. Most tractors only have brakes on the back axel. The hitch Nathan was using appears not to have surge brake capability (NATHAN CHIME IN HERE) So, if you really want to get nit picky Nathan was probably better off with the truck than a tractor because of better brakes on the truck, in spite of the higher weight if tractors. I admit he was overloaded and he should have used something else, but at the time he used what he had to, and that is what counts.

 

[NVR FNSH]

Nathan,

I meant to ask you a favor. Will you please tell your wife I'm sorry? I don't want to be on her bad side I wish someone could have taken a picture of the look on my face as I was reading HER post. Totally confused by the change in tact until I figured out it was your wife, not you, posting.



I do remember the commercial you're talking about. Can you say 'artistic license'? I highly doubt that was a qualification test for the vehicle What do you think Dodge did with those trucks after that commercial? I'm willing to bet they scrapped them.



CGoyette - I guess you & I have a different definition of dangerous... I bought my truck because it met my current & anticipated needs. My wife & I recently bought a 5th wheel to use when we go riding. I use the truck to haul dirt bikes, construction material - two trips to the dump yesterday, daily driver - I'm 6'4"/255 so most cars aren't really comfortable, etc. Do I use it to do the job of a TRUE medium duty truck on PUBLIC roads? NO. "assumptions with engineering issues on steel and stress and weight transfer issues" - how is this clouding the issue of GCWR/GVWR? It's at the heart of the discussion.



If I came across as arrogant, I apologize. That is not my nature. I was criticizing the action and later offered my 'credentials' to help explain my position.



I'm surprised no one else has menioned EarthRoamer and his 'analysis' of the 2500 vs 3500 GVWR. He presented a credible arguement and I see no real issue with loading a 2500 to 3500 limits if the tires/wheels are addressed.



So I'm thinking about starting my own air cargo business - I can get a couple of older 747s cheap. Do you think I can double the payload of the plane if I fly real slow and allow for lots of stopping distance? I'll be using the out of the way flight paths so I shouldn't have too much other traffic to worry about



Rusty - Exactly. On your on property - do whatever you want. On public roads it's a different story.



Brian

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by NVR FNSH

So I'm thinking about starting my own air cargo business - I can get a couple of older 747s cheap. Do you think I can double the payload of the plane if I fly real slow and allow for lots of stopping distance? I'll be using the out of the way flight paths so I shouldn't have too much other traffic to worry about

Brian

ummmm, Stall Speed?

 

[Shovelhead]

Question for the farmers, and college grads.



What's the proper length of time to keep flogging a dead horse?

 

[Diesel Freak]

Originally posted by Shovelhead

Question for the farmers, and college grads.



What's the proper length of time to keep flogging a dead horse?

LMFAO



ok, I'm done here



-Cliff

 

[NVR FNSH]

Originally posted by Diesel Freak





LMFAO



ok, I'm done here



-Cliff

Ditto



Brian

 

[MidwestMotorman]

questions answered

Diesel Freak---We use 3/4" hitch pins. Anything less can break, and we will bend the 3/4" pins sometimes.



No to the surge brakes. Our wagons do not have them. You learn to pump the brakes to stop. Locking them up promotes slide. With the two wagon setup, the wagons will fight each other to stop as the front one slows and is hit by the rear, then the rear rebounds and slows the front one.



For jobs like this, we have a pair of tractors with 540 cubic inch V8 Perkins diesels. The tractor speed stays at about 15 mph though, and I was going 25 mph in the truck (again time concerns).



No doubt that I was overloaded. I would really not want to do this again, as one gets quite nervous running overloaded.

 

[klenger]

When I look at the Towing and Hauling list of threads, the entry for this post shows 1,2,... Last page.



I wonder if that's really true.

 

[DavidTD]

I guess all the farmers need to raise prices to pay for all of this equipment we "need" to remain safe.



It just kills me to think that we as American's will pay an individual millions of dollars to play a sport and yet farmers make just enough to survive. God help them if they die and their family has to sell the farm because uncle sam wants his taxes from the guys heirs.



I have the "real" job to make a living so my wife/family can "farm" for a living. Maybe if food was more expensive and Athlete's and Entertainers made less things would balance a bit??? Nahhhh who needs food... ... .

 

[HEMI®Dart]

TTT

TTT because of the newer overweight threads.

 

[WStrmiska]

I love a women that stands by her man

 

[Turbo Horseman]

If it can be moved, a Cummins will pull it. Oo.

 

[DISPATCH]

that is F****** AWSOME:--) :--) I IWSH I HAD A CHANCE I LOVE TO GIVE MY TRUCK A GOOD WORK OUT TO KEEP IT IN SHAPE

 

[MidwestMotorman]

This GVWR issue has really started to heat up since I started this thread almost 2 1/2 years ago. My dad still hauls this same load with the same truck regularly during and after harvest.



The issue of being overloaded is going to cause major controversy as fuel prices and labor costs go up. Every extra pound hauled is a penny saved. Everyone understands that. I see manufacturers of trailers intentionally underrate the GVWR of the trailer so drivers can work around the DMV and license laws. I really don't forsee an end to it nor do I ever see a solution to the problem.

The best advice is to never cause a situation that requires a lawyer to fix.

 

[CumminsPuller]

I weighed in at 48,000 lbs with my gooseneck. Just went a quarter of a mile on local roads. Would not have gone down the interstate with it.



Jason

 

[dberry]

At least it was a dually, a 3/4 ton would have been way over it's gcwr.

 

[klaybus]

WOW! What a thread. I would have to agree with the general concensus about being overloaded but Nathan did what he had to do & we should applaud him for it! You can't blame him for taking care of his family!

Great job Nathan!! Next time get pictures.



Clay

 

[Kmac]

Wow! What a sprited thread. Isn't it great to live in America. You know when you stop & think about it, both sides believe greatly in their position. Both sides willing to defend their belief to do what is needed, necassary & what each sees as being appropriate. Why? Is it because at the core really each cares passionately about the wellbeing & safety, even if they don't know what's good for em, of thier fellow American! Just a thought... ... ..... ah wait... ... ... ... ... ..... give it a min... ... ..... Ask yourself, what's the motivation?



It's a great country, really good trucks, great people, although sometimes misunderstood I think!



Kmac

 

[jimnance]

Originally posted by Greg Boardman

Has anyone ever hit a tennis ball with a baseball bat? How about used a tennis racket for a fly swatter? Here's one I'm sure we've all done, Used a cresent wrench for a hammer My point is; GO BIG OR GO HOME... ..... NO SISSYS



Greg, I'm glad there is a voice of reason here. The "weight police" pronounce gloom and doom should you exceed the GVWR or GCVWR and we know that the world doesn't end at that point.





p. s. you spelled never finish wrong