New Truck Considerations

[gsbrockman]

It's enough to consider putting "Not For Hire" on the sides of my white 3500.

CVE Officers that I’ve spoken to have a blast singling out the ones running “Not For Hire” decals on their trucks...

 

[JR]

Like most Ford's it appears to need bags out back. Better ride empty, yep there is a reason!

It don't have anything to do with having 20k on the hook now does it (HINT - Dodge SRW squat just the same)


I agree with Wayne, ford is light years ahead of fca on parts and service training. I wouldn't be afraid of the truck or the trans, the 6R140 was bullet proof (the 140 is the rating, 1400 lb ft torque) and was exclusively used in all their MD trucks. I know of several MD crane service rigs loaded to the max daily. The 10 speed is new but Ford knows how to build a transmission. I'd take it over anything GM and Ram offer in a heart beat.

The engine really is the only x factor. Much better than anything they've had in the last 20 years...but still not ISB worthy. I'd be inclined to stick with what ya got if you're in it for the long haul.

 

[SnoKing]

It don't have anything to do with having 20k on the hook now does it (HINT - Dodge SRW squat just the same)


I agree with Wayne, ford is light years ahead of fca on parts and service training. I wouldn't be afraid of the truck or the trans, the 6R140 was bullet proof (the 140 is the rating, 1400 lb ft torque) and was exclusively used in all their MD trucks. I know of several MD crane service rigs loaded to the max daily. The 10 speed is new but Ford knows how to build a transmission. I'd take it over anything GM and Ram offer in a heart beat.

The engine really is the only x factor. Much better than anything they've had in the last 20 years...but still not ISB worthy. I'd be inclined to stick with what ya got if you're in it for the long haul.

I will agree that Ford hit a homerun with the 6R140! However just about every Ford in the RV Resort towing a large 5th wheel is bagged, and very few feel a need to bag a RAM. Very few Dodges in the RV resort now a days. When did they go away 2010-2011?

 

[JR]

When did you go away?

The same day you did

 

[Wayne M.]

Oof!

 

[Cummins12V98]

Why???
It's not tail dragging that bad.

ass is too low for my liking. Level is a much more stable towing experience. Evasive maneuver would no bueno!

 

[Ltngdrvr]

It don't have anything to do with having 20k on the hook now does it (HINT - Dodge SRW squat just the same)


I agree with Wayne, ford is light years ahead of fca on parts and service training. I wouldn't be afraid of the truck or the trans, the 6R140 was bullet proof (the 140 is the rating, 1400 lb ft torque) and was exclusively used in all their MD trucks. I know of several MD crane service rigs loaded to the max daily. The 10 speed is new but Ford knows how to build a transmission. I'd take it over anything GM and Ram offer in a heart beat.

The engine really is the only x factor. Much better than anything they've had in the last 20 years...but still not ISB worthy. I'd be inclined to stick with what ya got if you're in it for the long haul.

Actually, the 140 in 6R140, is a metric rating, NM newton meters, 1.356 newton meters to 1 ft.lb., so 1400 newton meters is 1032 ft.lbs.

And, the 6R140 was one of the things I had a problem crop up on my 2012 F250, they had to replace the front pump at about 21,000 miles. Took a special tool to R&R the pump and they only had a couple of the tools in the area and the dealer had to wait their turn to borrow it!
The 6.7 PSD engine in my F250 was flawless in 214K miles though.
But, that old truck was a lowly XL, not very comfy, not well insulated, so it was cold and noisy inside.
Had quite a few issues over the years, some similar to what I've had in my RAM.

 

[JR]

Everything I've seen is the rating in lb ft. Like here.

https://www.dieselhub.com/trans/6r140-torqshift.html


Notice the GCWR up to 50,000 lbs.

Yep they all can have issues. If the pump failure was anything other than a one off you can bet there wouldn't just be one tool being shared across dealerships. Obviously at that mileage it was the exception not the rule.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Everything I've seen is the rating in lb ft. Like here.

https://www.dieselhub.com/trans/6r140-torqshift.html


Notice the GCWR up to 50,000 lbs.

Yep they all can have issues. If the pump failure was anything other than a one off you can bet there wouldn't just be one tool being shared across dealerships. Obviously at that mileage it was the exception not the rule.

If you look at the note for the asterisk on that rating, it says the 1400 ft.lbs. is with torque multiplication through the converter, but the trans itself is not rated for 1400 ft.lbs.

I still think they've got it wrong, it is not ft.lbs. at all.

These ratings go all the way back to the mid 1990's when ford changed all their transmission nomenclature to reflect the number of gears and torque capacity.

 

[JR]

Auto transmissions are generally rated at the input.
I've only ever seen any of Ford's transmissions rated in lb ft. Newton meters is a metric measurement that doesn't mean a whole lot to prospective buyers in America. It would be akin to listing kw instead of hp and GVW in kg instead of lbs. It's just not the metrics we use here.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Auto transmissions are generally rated at the input.
I've only ever seen any of Ford's transmissions rated in lb ft. Newton meters is a metric measurement that doesn't mean a whole lot to prospective buyers in America. It would be akin to listing kw instead of hp and GVW in kg instead of lbs. It's just not the metrics we use here.

It's the metrics Ford uses to rate their transmission input capacity.

 

[Wayne M.]

The 6.7 PSD engine in my F250 was flawless in 214K miles though.

That is a tough sell.
No jacked out injectors?
No oil leaks?
No SCR/ NOX issues?
No noisy lift pump?
No turbo issues?

 

[Ltngdrvr]

That is a tough sell.
No jacked out injectors?
No oil leaks?
No SCR/ NOX issues?
No noisy lift pump?
No turbo issues?

Absolutely ZERO issues with the engine, some systems surrounding it failed, trans pump, master cylinder, EGT sensor, radiator failure, never any engine issues, was running perfectly when I traded it in.
And, it got better towing MPG's than my current RAM, but not as good bobtail MPG's.

And, SCR/NOx I wouldn't consider an engine issue, but didn't have any of those issues either.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Oh, by the way, my dad put almost 450K miles on his 2013 6.7 PSD without a single issue, and he was never as diligent about maintenance as I am. He did delete it at 350K because some chucklehead talked him into it, but he didn't need to, nothing was wrong with it.

 

[JR]

Wayne I bet the rigs you work with aren't very high mileage, but boy do they probably have some hard hours on em!

 

[NIsaacs]

ass is too low for my liking. Level is a much more stable towing experience. Evasive maneuver would no bueno!

Says the guy with 9k on his 8k axles when he tows his RV. Note what a low profile load that grader makes with a ball mounted on the floor of the truck. A very stable platform v/s your 13.6" top heavy RV with a fifth wheel that is about 16" tall.

If you are gonna haul, go big or stay on the porch. Note the tow truck, it's one of those weak kneed Fords.

 

[SnoKing]

Says the guy with 9k on his 8k axles when he tows his RV. Note what a low profile load that grader makes with a ball mounted on the floor of the truck. A very stable platform v/s your 13.6" top heavy RV with a fifth wheel that is about 16" tall.

If you are gonna haul, go big or stay on the porch. Note the tow truck, it's one of those weak kneed Fords.

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16" does not seem very tall???? I guess I am not the only one that makes typo's.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

16" does not seem very tall???? I guess I am not the only one that makes typo's.

The way I read it, he is talking about the height of the hitch at 16".

 

[Cummins12V98]

The pic above is loaded properly and will stand a better chance of a successful tow VS the other pic.

My truck is SAE rated to carry 9,750# on the rear four tires. Not sure your point??? It also sets perfectly level and maybe a touch high in the rear. It also handles the load extremely well in severe side winds.

Pics don't lie. Nor do scale tickets.

 

[AH64ID]

@Cummins12V98 what are your IS’s rated at?