Newby needs Edge and Bully Dog advice

[RobbieH]

You answered some of the questions I had right there at the end.



What I don't understand is you see all these numbers, but they don't say compared to HO or SO. You briefly mentioned it there, but let me ask this, why would you offer so much more power on the HO when to me it appears the HO and SO are essentially the same?



Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I have an HO, but I am curious as to why there are differences!

 

[DPKetchum]

I'm curious IF and WHEN perfected boxes might be available?

 

[qzilla]

Well I don't know if there will ever be a "perfect" box.



The ones with engine lights that do timing are always going to be race only. The new modules are exactly how we are leaving them. They run great, get a decent fuel mileage gain and are as cheap as they will ever be.



We are not currently working on any more modules for the CR. We do have some very cool things coming, but it will be next spring at the earliest. For now the 100hp modules aer the best bang for the buck you will find!



As far as the So vs HO thing is concerned, it is a little tricky to explain. We use percentages based on what the factory does. I guess we might be able to beef the SO up a little more, but it would be at a significant cost to us and of course to the consumer. We just make sure that everything is smooth and makes the advertised power on both SO and HO.



Trust me in several months there will be a new toy in town, but it will be totally different than what is available and should be able to stack with the current available products.





Quad

 

[fencebuilders]

Re: pressure modules

Originally posted by qzilla

First let me say that my account has been acting up so i haven't been able to provide much support. Maybe I can watch the threads and answer questions if needed.



First let me say that right now there is not a timing box on the market. We have one that is available for Racing only. We have had problems with the module overheating and with check engine lights. I really prefer not to talk about other products, but there is not a timing box available.



Second most of the pressure boxes are going to be very similar. You could have 5 manufactures make 5 boxes and tell them you wanted 80hp and they could all be different. The reality is that fuel pressure can only be turned up so much before it either hurts the pump or causes the injector to stick. This is obvious due to the white smoke and the detonation you will hear. Also let me squash the myth that fuel pressure is always a bad thing. Fuel pressure modules got a bad rap on the 2001 Dmax engines because they had a weak pop off valve and a poor return system. When the system saw too much pressure in the return it would set a code and cause all kinds of problems. They also had an o-ring problem on the early injectors. Yes you can hurt things with pressure, but you can also hurt things with timing and with fuel stretch if it is not done correctly.



The trick to the whole module is usable hp and torque. How you add pressure, and where you add the pressure is really more important than how much. LIke I said if you have too much you will know. You can pm me if you need specifics, I would rather not discuss how much or exactly how we do it on here.



Edge has made a good little box for the CR engines. There are a few differences in the way we do things, but in general they are very similar. The biggest difference in my opinion is that we can adjust it in the cab. I personally think that if it is possible everyting should be adjustable while you drive. This lets you be in control in any situation. We have really concentrated on the bottom end torque as well as the high rpm power that the common rail is known for!



These new modules are 0-50-100hp on the HO and 0-40-80 on the SO. They are very affordable and there should be a new banner in the coming days as we are running a end of the year special!



If you guys have any questions please let me know and I will try to help. Please don't turn this into a brand war as happens on so many sites.





Quad

Sounds to me like the timing portion of the "new' boxes is being tough to debug?Maybe the timing portion of the "new' boxes will not make it to the final cut. I,for one am about done waiting on Edge. They get great reviews but cant seem to put the product in our hands in a timely manner. I also find the "in cab" adjustable feature extremely attractive,i cant imagine owing a box without the ability to change my settings in cab.

 

[Elite1]

Re: pressure modules

Originally posted by qzilla

First let me say that my account has been acting up so i haven't been able to provide much support. Maybe I can watch the threads and answer questions if needed.



First let me say that right now there is not a timing box on the market. We have one that is available for Racing only. We have had problems with the module overheating and with check engine lights. I really prefer not to talk about other products, but there is not a timing box available.



Second most of the pressure boxes are going to be very similar. You could have 5 manufactures make 5 boxes and tell them you wanted 80hp and they could all be different. The reality is that fuel pressure can only be turned up so much before it either hurts the pump or causes the injector to stick. This is obvious due to the white smoke and the detonation you will hear. Also let me squash the myth that fuel pressure is always a bad thing. Fuel pressure modules got a bad rap on the 2001 Dmax engines because they had a weak pop off valve and a poor return system. When the system saw too much pressure in the return it would set a code and cause all kinds of problems. They also had an o-ring problem on the early injectors. Yes you can hurt things with pressure, but you can also hurt things with timing and with fuel stretch if it is not done correctly.



The trick to the whole module is usable hp and torque. How you add pressure, and where you add the pressure is really more important than how much. LIke I said if you have too much you will know. You can pm me if you need specifics, I would rather not discuss how much or exactly how we do it on here.



Edge has made a good little box for the CR engines. There are a few differences in the way we do things, but in general they are very similar. The biggest difference in my opinion is that we can adjust it in the cab. I personally think that if it is possible everyting should be adjustable while you drive. This lets you be in control in any situation. We have really concentrated on the bottom end torque as well as the high rpm power that the common rail is known for!



These new modules are 0-50-100hp on the HO and 0-40-80 on the SO. They are very affordable and there should be a new banner in the coming days as we are running a end of the year special!



If you guys have any questions please let me know and I will try to help. Please don't turn this into a brand war as happens on so many sites.





Quad

Quad, So the Volumizer isn't timing, like I was told?

 

[DPKetchum]

They run great?? Keep reading posts about idle concerns?New boxes just around the corner that do timing and fuel. THATS WHAT we have been reading for MONTHS. I'm confused. SORRY!Then you mention a new stackable box after saying their as good as it gets??I don't want to spend money and stack etc. I just want a box that works and is reliable and is THE ONE for a few years or what not. Is that too much to ask.

 

[qzilla]

Well I am not going to say no in a public forum.



If you will pm me I can tell you how to check it yourself.









Quad

 

[fencebuilders]

Re: Re: pressure modules

Originally posted by Elite1

Quad, So the Volumizer isn't timing, like I was told?

Seems to me,i remember reading the Volumizer has a timing feature. Not sure,memory has been terrible of late,a little help here Quad?

 

[qzilla]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

They run great?? Keep reading posts about idle concerns?



I will never say never, but our product should not affect idle whatsoever. WE do not map our fueling like most people do.





New boxes just around the corner that do timing and fuel. THATS WHAT we have been reading for MONTHS.



Well back in JUne and July we had timing and fueling boxes. The people that loved them still have them and they work great to this day. We cut the production short due to some problems we could not get a grasp on. I don't think I have been making the claims you are talking about?





I'm confused. SORRY!Then you mention a new stackable box after saying their as good as it gets??





Yes I know it is confusing. This is one of the reasons we wanted to get back on the site and help answer some questions. What I am saying is that our company is not doing any more research on the current style modules. The ones we have are working just like we want and they are going to stay exactly like they are.



The new product is not a "stacking" product. It will be (in our eyes) the best product on the market by itself, for pulling or for just having more power, for driveability and for mileage. I am sure the other companies will feel the same about their products. That is good for you guys, keep the companies in development. What I was trying to say is that it will work with other products as well.





I don't want to spend money and stack etc. I just want a box that works and is reliable and is THE ONE for a few years or what not. Is that too much to ask.





I completely understand where you are coming from. I think most of the boxes out there do work and are reliable. I don't think it is the best to come, but then again people are already getting tired of waiting for the new products to hit. This situation alwasy comes up with new model years when they make changes. I think in the next 6 months you will see what companies aer going to be able to do. They are going to be more expensive than what we have now, but they will have more features and more power.



THe product we have now works great. It gives great power and about 10% fuel mileage. It is easy to plug in and is worth every penny. IF you want more power now, like a lot of people this box works great. IF you are waiting on the cats meow, you better wait because everyone is somewhat early in development. WE figure if the price is reasonable you could always sell it to your buddy if something new comes out!







Fencebuilder,



pm me as I really do not want to discuss any other products.





Quad

 

[Elite1]

Originally posted by qzilla

Well I am not going to say no in a public forum.



If you will pm me I can tell you how to check it yourself.









Quad

I PM'd you... (yesterday)

 

[dieselpilot1969]

Ok so does anyone have a qzilla box on their truck, opinions?

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

I have a bullydog prototype box on the bench in my garage that I got last spring. It DOES change timing and raises common rail pressures. It is a screamer of a box. Somewhere in the 100+++ HP raiting. It does set a check engine light with ease. If you don't care this thing will rock. It cant even touch the EZ on the bottem end though. Bullydog comes on at 2500 rpm's and that is why it sits on the bench. Tomorrow I will call the guy at BullyDog and see what is up. I will tell him about this thread and see what he thinks and will report it back to you guys. Keep your fingers crossed, There are a few secret pressure boxes on trucks being tested constantly. Time will be short for sure. By December of 2005 we will be onto something totally different and not even worried about our 150+ HP boxes. We will need someone to make a tire for a 6. 5" Dually wheel that is over 30 inches tall!!!