Nissan Titan with Cummins just arrived at dealership

[Wayne M.]

Don't be mad at only FCA. It was the 2008 crash and DCX and Cerebus et al. FCA is just doing what's fiscally sound. Hey I'm a mopar cheerleader, that's pretty plain to know but I guess this is how it was to be a Packard owner in the 50's.

 

[crispyboy]

I guess I am somewhat like JHawes and Wayne M. but in a bit different way. I am also chapped about losing the Cummins V-8 to Nissan but its all about the bottom line for FCA. I will admit Nissan has put some good engineering into the Titan, at least on paper but they need to fire the styling department.
I have always liked the underdog companies such as Chrysler and AMC/Jeep. Back in the 80's when my beloved Jeep pickups and Wagoneers were nixed by Chrysler it was very depressing. When Chrysler was bought out by Daimler you could see the writing on the wall as the Germans were going to squeeze the life out of the brand (albeit a few good things such as the Grand Cherokee benefited from the relationship).
When FCA finally cans the relationship with Cummins (my opinion it will eventually happen) I may just have to look at GM or FOMOCO for a truck. I just can't buy an ugly vehicle design such as a Nissan or Toyota - that may be short sighted but that's the way it's going to be.

 

[Wayne M.]

Right on crispyboy. IMHO Chrysler was really riding high in the late 90's. DCX was so damaging.

I've put it here before. Case is the real reason why we even have a B engine. Just look at Case today. All FPT power now. And they have a comparable engine. Betcha there's a mule in Europe.

 

[RVTRKN]

My opinion on the ECO Diesel is not good, and the failures are an indication of the quick transition to get the ECO Diesel in a Ram. Nissan has taken a better approach to introduce the N/C (Nissan/Cummins) by not hurrying to get them on the lots and testing them thoroughly. The original delivery date in mid 2015 was missed and now their looking to be delivering only a few to dealerships. As far as buying American autos, I will not buy any more of them, my last Dodge was a disaster. My wife was lucky she didn't get killed when the transmission literally fell out of the car on a busy freeway. We have bought Toyota's ever since, to include a Tacoma. I never liked the Nissan trucks and the Titan was only in response to the Tundra. But they just passed up the Tundra by leaps and bounds, and I myself can't wait to see one up close. You can expect to see the N/C go into a 3/4 ton platform very soon, for they already have a cargo van chassis capable of it.

 

[NIsaacs]

It looks like there will be only one rear axle ratio offered, 3.92:1, that should be a good all around ratio.

Nick

 

[RVTRKN]

That is a good ratio, FCA ought to take a lessen from them, 3:42/3:92 would be great options for our CTD's.

 

[Wayne M.]

I promise you all that the ISV won't have the grunt of our 6's.

 

[RVTRKN]

Neither did the first inline 6, 5.9 CTD. If it becomes an Icon like the 5.9, it will develope into a nice 3/4 ton package. Other versions maybe even in a 1 ton DRW.

 

[Wayne M.]

Neither did the first inline 6, 5.9 CTD. If it becomes an Icon like the 5.9, it will develope into a nice 3/4 ton package. Other versions maybe even in a 1 ton DRW.

That's a joke, right? 400 ft lb@ 1600 rpm? That was more than anything and at half the rpms without breaking a sweat in 1989.

 

[RVTRKN]

My point is, that basically the same platform over 25+ Years, has more than doubled the torque and tripled the HP. So you can expext Cummins to try to do the same with Nissan. An inline six, in any fuel format, will have better torque at lower RPM's but lower HP than a V8. I'm not saying that the new Cummins engine will beat out the 5.9/6.7, but will compete with the future next generation diesels to come. So you can expect Cummins to do the same with Nissan, but it beats out the ECO Diesel out the gate, that's no joke, that's a fact.

 

[Wayne M.]

The VM 3.0 and the ISV is not a good comparison although they are competing in the same market. That being said, I really don't think you'll see the gains that's happened in the last 25 years to now, in the same time period going forward. We know who to thank for that. I really don't think the ISV is built as robust as a ISB. Did we ever get an EPA duty cycle on the ISV? Is it a medium rated engine?

 

[RVTRKN]

http://cumminsengines.com/isv?#overview

Light and medium duty per Cummins link but I didn't see EPA classification.

 

[RVTRKN]

Looking over link, that seems to be before Nissan, as the HP is below 300, see, they are already increasing HP to compete.

 

[Wayne M.]

Looking over link, that seems to be before Nissan, as the HP is below 300, see, they are already increasing HP to compete.

When the ISV was brought out by Cummins (notice I don't call it a Nissan engine) they opened it up to all comers. Especially the package car and small bus sectors. Just like with the Ram, comparing the pick up to the C&C, and the commercial applications, there are big tuning differences. The ISV that will be in the Titan surely will be involved in the horsepower race. At that time, we'll see how fast those timing chains can whip around.

 

[RVTRKN]

OHC's and Aluminum heads are not my favorite features on an engine, but seems to be nessesary to meet the EPA requirements today and be competitive.

 

[SHobbs]

I have had the thought of taking the Cummins 6.7 and cutting off one cylinder. An inline 5 using the same parts as the 6.7, should have been easy to bring into production. Wonder what that would have been like in a half ton truck? The 4BT is just too small so maybe an inline 5.

 

[dfb]

I hope so. My take over the years on this forum is that the majority of the people here are slightly more Cummins loyal than Dodge/Ram loyal. If we can have a forum for a Ram with an Italian Diesel it seems like the Cummins/Nissan combo should also be invited.

I did not know cummins engines were made in Italy.......

 

[TFucili]

I did not know cummins engines were made in Italy.......

I assume he was referring to the EcoDiesel engine, made by VM Motori... in Italy.

 

[cerberusiam]

I did not know cummins engines were made in Italy.......

He said nothing about Cummins being made in Italy, quote "a Ram with an Italian Diesel ".

 

[DonFitzwater]

Lots of folks think the new Ecodiesel is a Cummins, not an Italian VM. When I explain the reasoning, even non diesel owners sneer at the thought of Chrysler opting out of the Cummins. I've been asked more than once "why the no-name engine over the Cummins?"