Competition Nitrous the "right" way....

[crawler]

Dang it Greg.



Now you're posting the fire and ice.



Before you posted about the progressive controller.



You're just telling all of my secrets





All of this is stuff that any nitrous user should be aware of.

And it's nice to see the thread give a little useful info to the general user.



Later,

Wes

 

[John_P]

banshee:



Great post to to "TJ" and "csutton!"



Even if you did explain exactly what you did, some of the members here would only criticize it because Dennis Perry was involved! Dennis Perry is a great guy who has excellent knowledge and experience with nitrous systems on diesel pickup trucks. He doesn't just "talk about it" he goes out and PROVES IT, not only on his DHRA Drag Race Trucks but even on some of his very competitors trucks; like Jeff Garmon;... ... ... ... . who just laid down over 1000 H. P. with a little help from Dennis!



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John_P

 

[TJSHOTROD]

Hey TJ and Chris,



Unlike your boy COMP, I pay for my dyno time out of my own pocket and spend a lot of time trying different things... not just the one hint I was helped with. So, yes, I am going to keep what I find during my own testing sessions to myself. Roll your eyes all you want, but I'm not here to spend my time and cash to help YOU out... figure it out on your own. Bottom line, COMP's recommendation on placement is BS.

Firts off I have never even talked to Comp. You said you picked up 30hp just by changing nozzle placement, you where told by someone else how to to do this. You did nothing other than go to dyno to see if it worked or did you get 30hp with nozzle placement and other things which means you do not know if it was the nozzles that made the 30hp. So do not try to act like you spent all this time and money to do this. You say for me to figure it at on my own when you did not. Why don't you just answer the ?. I am not asking for any of your hard earned testing knowledge just the stuff that was giving to you for FREE by someone else's hard earned money and time.



TJ

 

[banshee]

WRONG TJ... .



I was told by Dennis to try changing nozzle placement. I took it upon myself to try different placements and spraying different amounts in different areas. The ONLY changes were the injection points. Total amounts of nitrous injected (jet size and bottle pressure) as well as all fueling settings were held constant. It was a little more than a "see if it works" one time run. The tip was free thanks to Dennis, but I spent plenty of my own time experimenting from there. I'm not telling you a bit of it... . you can either go pound sand, run the tests yourself, or maybe pick up the phone and talk to the man Dennis himself... I don't care which.

 

[TJSHOTROD]

I have no problem calling and asking people ?'s. You on the other hand bash on other people and say they are wrong but will not tell them a better way or voice your side of the argument other than the fact they are wrong.



TJ

 

[banshee]

I have no problem calling and asking people ?'s.

Then do it and quit whining to me :{

You on the other hand bash on other people and say they are wrong but will not tell them a better way or voice your side of the argument other than the fact they are wrong.

If me calling COMP out about something I have found to be different is "bashing" then you must have pretty thin skin. Like I already said, I'm not feeding you, your buddy Chris, or COMP anything. Greg's the all knowing diesel guru who's taking over the world, so surely he can figure it out. On the other hand, if you'd like to bring your "hotrod" over to IRP then I'll be happy to show you how these tricks work on the drag strip.....

 

[JLackman]

Bottom line, COMP's recommendation on placement is BS.

I would think logging all six egts on both the vehicle and engine dyno would give you a pretty good idea if NO2 nozzle placement is "correct", egts would tell the tale, finding the "correct" placement would be easy R&D on an engine dyno recording all six egts.



It would be even better to log A/F ratio on all six cylinders, this is something that is possible for just about anyone nowdays using the newer wideband O2 meters.

 

[Hohn]

Hey TJ and Chris,

Unlike your boy COMP, I pay for my dyno time out of my own pocket and spend a lot of time trying different things... not just the one hint I was helped with. So, yes, I am going to keep what I find during my own testing sessions to myself. Roll your eyes all you want, but I'm not here to spend my time and cash to help YOU out... figure it out on your own. Bottom line, COMP's recommendation on placement is BS.

As much as I appreciate the free knowledge from people like Comp, and as much as I'd love to know what Banshee's discovered on nozzle placement.....

I'm sympathetic to Banshee's desire to keep some things to himself. Seeing as how he's a racer and needs all advantages in his favor.

I don't feel that my crummy $35/yr entitles me to the knowledge that many spent big money to learn.

I'm just grateful that I get to learn as much as I do.


OH, and I'm putting my nozzle in the pipe between the intercooler and the intake horn

 

[csutton7]

banshee--how in the world did you come to the conclusion that in the 4 words of my response to TJ's insightful post that COMP is my boy or that I'm his boy--you my friend may have a calling in the palm reading future--although I don't think it will take you far, cuz you is way off into another galaxy on this---look I just thought his post was insightful--nothing more or less---if you want to keep your so called secrets, that you got from another, to yourself then great--really though I don't think it's as much of a secret as you think--you don't think Dennis has told others--come on---as for being Comp's boy or me his boy--I've never met the man let alone talked to him--have you seen me praise him or defend him or anything else that goes on when one is a "boy"---I think not ---now as for Dennis Perry---I don't know him either nor have I talked to him--I don't praise him or defend him either----do I know who he is--well yes I do, but I also know who COMP is ---does that make me a Perry cheerleader or a COMP cheerleader or does it make me a Perry hater or a COMP hater----NEITHER---I read what they say to see if there may be a something new out there----I'll tell you a secret---well maybe not-----chris

 

[banshee]

It's really quite simply, Sutton... take a shot a me (by high-fiving "your boy" TJ) and you'd better expect one back. Turnabout is fair play, as they say. I don't care if you're buddies with comp or perry, and don't hold your breath on expecting me to come asking you for help... .

 

[Turbo Thom]

What in the world is wrong with you folks? Mercy. If one or two folks had all the knowledge of the go fast method, that's the only people you would ever see on the track. The rest would quit from lack of interest. How do you race without competition?That is one thing you will have to say about Dennis, he has no secrets. You ask, he'll tell you what he knows. Greg, you don't have to ask, he's always talking.



And the thing about Dennis and Jeff being competitors, there really not, just very good friends. Whatever happens on the track, happens.



. . Preston. .

 

[Hohn]

Gee, if it weren't for COMP's advertisements, this thread could be deleted with no loss of value.

Save it for the BANTER forum, gents... PLEASE!

 

[John_P]

csutton:



Boy,..... the fact that "banshee" won't tell you what he has done has REALLY got you stirred up, huh?? :-{} As far as Dennis Perry giving "banshee" a "nitrous tip" for more H. P. and torque and then maybe giving the others the same information is only part of the equation. If a member takes that "free" information and builds on it in some way, but doesn't want to share it with others, then I would say that is their choice! You applauded/cheered "TJ" for getting on "banshee" because he wouldn't tell you guys what he has done, thus I would guess his reference about "TJ" possibly being "your boy" may be right on! Mr. Sutton,..... one thing I have noticed about you on this website is that you always seem to want to have the last word on everything. This seems to be the case whether the discussion is about nitrous, injectors, transmissions or whatever. Nothing personal, just an observation. Like "banshee" posted to you and "TJ", "if you take a shot at him, expect a reply back!" Pretty simple logic I would say and one that I agree with completely.



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Preston:



I think I can pretty safely say that most members here that know you respect you and your opinion! IMO,... your evaluation of what has transpired in this thread and about diesel drag racing in general was good!

You are right on about what you said about Dennis Perry too! His is a heck of a nice guy with ALOT of knowledge not only about nitrous systems but also diesel performance! And like you said, if you ask him something, he will tell you what he knows. Now Greg,... ... ... well IMO that is an ENTIRELY different story!! All I can say is I sincerely hope that we all get to see him and his Dr. Performance Diesel Drag Truck come out this spring/summer to compete against some of the DHRA Diesel Drag Trucks!! Personally, I am tired of hearing all the "hot air" and would like to see some REAL competition!



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John_P

 

[Eric_B]

Are we done yet??

I thought this thread was about nitrous and not :-{} .

I mean competition is healthy and all but... ... ... ...

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Chris, I wouldn't worry about this, if banshee sig is right he only makes 85hp worth of NOS and he uses NX anyway so there probably is better placement yet. I think he is only talking about placement anyway, not which kit is better.



Would anyone dis-agree that this progressive systems wouldn't be the best set-up for a daily driver, looking for the best durability while using Nitrous.

 

[COMP461]

I thought this thread was about nitrous and not :-{} .

I mean competition is healthy and all but... ... ... ...

That is what I try and do, is introduce a few of the great and exciting aspects of the snowballing effect that has whipped the mainstream would up about diesel motorsports.







But this is a pattern , I offer my help, and a few want nothing else but to discredit me and hijack any thread , making it , the “ you a idiot , and nobody listen to anything he has to say “ thread . But in the end, I’m working every angle to bring great products and technologies to everyone; not even asking was a dollar. So I really don’t care

 

[DennisPerry]

That is what I try and do, is introduce a few of the great and exciting aspects of the snowballing effect that has whipped the mainstream would up about diesel motorsports.







But this is a pattern , I offer my help, and a few want nothing else but to discredit me and hijack any thread , making it , the “ you a idiot , and nobody listen to anything he has to say “ thread . But in the end, I’m working every angle to bring great products and technologies to everyone; not even asking was a dollar. So I really don’t care

Comp463745853537,



Now we can tell Comp is posting instead of Mike Wood from NX using his user name & password . I know for a fact Comp gave Mike his user info so Mike could post the tech stuff. Go back and read where Mike (Comp 461) is posting the tech info. Notice how the posts are nice & technically written. Now read the above post from Comp where he leaves out every other word and misspells the other ones :-laf . I expect, as I am sure everyone else does so much more from the world's greatest advanced diesel champion of the universe :-laf



Dennis

 

[COMP461]

Now we can tell Comp is posting instead of Mike Wood from NX using his user name & password I know for a fact Comp gave Mike his user info so Mike could post the tech stuff. Go back and read where Mike (Comp 461) is posting the tech info. Notice how the posts are nice & technically written. Now read the above post from Comp where he leaves out every other word and misspells the other ones :-laf I expect, as I am sure everyone else does so much more from the world's greatest advanced diesel champion of the universe. :-laf



Dennis

ABSOLUTE LIES ,



Yes, he looks at the TDR. So does a Tech official at NHRA , a engineer at ARP , and even Brian who doesn’t have a way to look at some of the ridicules , and funny stuff that goes on here. But no one has posted under my name on here.

But the way to make smoke and mirrors work is to get the bee off yourself, and try and through it on some one else.



One thing that people on here should think about is that big companies bring in big dollars to run ads, in magazines, and in the TDR. They have the ability to sponsor races, and other thing that small companies can’t



And to tell you the truth, Dose anyone really think the CEO of a corporation like NX have time for this. He is spending it directing the R&D and looking for ways to manufactory better product , at a better value to his customer, I have a excuse as to why I’m on here wasting time , I’m a fireman, and at the station with time to kill, and your excuse ?

 

[DennisPerry]

ABSOLUTE LIES ,



Yes, he looks at the TDR. So does a Tech official at NHRA , a friend at ARP , and even Brian who doesn’t have a way to look at some of the ridicules , and funny stuff that goes on here. But no one has posted under my name on here.

But the way to make smoke and mirrors work is to get the bee off yourself, and try and thru it on some one else .



One thing that people on here should think about is that big company’s bring in big dollars to run ads , in magazines ,and in the TDR . they have the ability to sponsor races , and other thing that small company’s can’t

Comp,



Do I need to give you the persons name that told me what you were up too?



Also speaking of sponsoring races thanks for giving me the opportunity to plug mine http://www.thedieselgarage.com/phil/ts.htm You can visit our website or read about it in one of the many major magazines we advertise in. There is no bee on us. We are not against NX we can use any solenoids in our Powerfool2 kit. TS Performance doesnt just do nitrous we manufacture computer modules for all major brands, and private label for alot of major companies in the industry. We just happen to like racing diesels, and we have put our experience in an easy to use simple application nitrous kit that has been proven over & over both on the dyno and the track.

 

[COMP461]

its ok , 11 kits went out the door this week