Competition Nitrous the "right" way....

[Timbeaux38]

The more I hear of this system- the more I am liking it.



Maybe if we get more detailed expaination from Dennis who seems to be bashing NX and their kits and Greg, and then having no reasonable counter responce other than smoke and mirror replies and no justification as to why his kit is superior to NX's... ... .



Dennis for arguements sake your not holding up your end of the arguement with your baseless bashing replies... .

Jeff, I think he did explain himself here???

http://tdr1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1445332&postcount=42

 

[Amish Elegance]

Comp, Since this is the banter forum... come on out with it. Who's kits use NX components? Go ahead, surprise me.



I'm not against NX in the least. I just don't know any trucks running their system. (Or at least a NX label on their system. ) If anyone is, please raise your hand, I'd love to know how they work on the track.



I Powerfool, I have seen. I've been in the box when the TS truck leaves, it cleans up and is gone!!





Lackman, If you'd have referenced the "idiot" quote, I would have understood. Just seemed like a pretty big tirade for what Tim said. As for Dennis... You'll always know where ya stand with him. :-laf :-laf



The only system I'll proudly never use is ZEX. "Show purge kits" Jeez. Ricers.

 

[COMP461]

NX dose private labeling for the systems sold by several of the largest diesel vendors

 

[fest3er]

The more I hear of this system- the more I am liking it.



Maybe if we get more detailed expaination from Dennis who seems to be bashing NX and their kits and Greg, and then having no reasonable counter responce other than smoke and mirror replies and no justification as to why his kit is superior to NX's... ... .



Dennis for arguements sake your not holding up your end of the arguement with your baseless bashing replies... .

I haven't seen Dennis' responses as bashing. His one main point is that when a diesel launches, it is already at max fueling, so a progressive increase in the amount of nitrous isn't worth the cost of the system. That said, perhaps a very rapid progression might not be a bad idea. That is, a small amount of nitrous while spooling would be good, then rapidly ramp up to the full nitrous flow at launch. But if the time interval is minscule, what is to be gained? The only gain I can grok is a smoother, more controlled ramp-up of power. The sudden 'shock' of max power can cause tires to break loose, and can cause things to break. Controlling the power ramp-up might just allow for better acceleration.



NX's systems are progressive, and Greg stands by that concept. Dennis' are not, because he doesn't see any value in having a progressive system on a diesel. Who's right? Either, neither, or both; actual drag racing will tell us which method is the better one for one situation or another. Doug Doring runs 4 stages on his 2-smoke diesel, and he's run consistently in the mid to high nines.



N

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

I haven't seen Dennis' responses as bashing. His one main point is that when a diesel launches, it is already at max fueling, so a progressive increase in the amount of nitrous isn't worth the cost of the system.

N

The problem is that the powerfool is $400 more than the truly progressive nx system. I have the old NX progressive controller and it works so much better than the hobbs switches I used when I 1st started out. I had the 1st dyno sheet over 700rwhp with a 24valve 5 years ago. I use the . 157 solenoid so flow is not a issue. That solenoid draws around 30amps



Jim

 

[COMP461]

The problem is that the powerfool is $400 more than the truly progressive nx system. I have the old NX progressive controller and it works so much better than the hobbs switches I used when I 1st started out. I had the 1st dyno sheet over 700rwhp with a 24valve 5 years ago. I use the . 157 solenoid so flow is not a issue. That solenoid draws around 30amps



Jim

Its less expensive, I did not know it cost more , someone was saying that progressive controllers were just a way to drive up the price with unneeded features

 

[MADDOG2]

lol, your funny , but I didn't even know you ran a single , but I only keep up with the leaders .





In reality its was a weight factor that got me started on a single turbo development program, I had bee talking to Mike woods for a long time and for at least a year , he had advised me to loose the second turbo and use nitrous . The finale piece of the puzzle was when Wes Snow showing up to my Halloween part with the new PHAT SHAFT 72 Industrial injection custom racing single turbo. All I had to do was take one look at the advanced engineering work that went in to the CNC compressor , and the die was cast .

I moved forward, the next business day, I was on the phone with Brady and Shane and with their commitment to my program a great friendship was established . Brady was so confident in my in-depth engineering based development program for the diesel drag racing he asked Wes to had me the turbo and away this went .

Greg form ZZ fabrication , who was the former chief fabrication guy for Eddie Hill and NX custom fabrication guy , was enlisted to do all the work on this project , along with my 5 stage dry sump system and intake manifold and now my new stainless headers . NX was there all the way to the big dyno numbers, on a green motor





I sure I really don’t know much , anyone can do this right , maybe you can be the anyone that dose .

I just thought I would share this video of how to keep up with the leaders. Notice how clean it is off the line. :-laf Can anyone tell who's helping him out of the car?



http://www.supermotors.org/clubs/dhra/gallery/showmedia.php?id=297350

 

[COMP461]

I haven't seen Dennis' responses as bashing. His one main point is that when a diesel launches, it is already at max fueling, so a progressive increase in the amount of nitrous isn't worth the cost of the system. That said, perhaps a very rapid progression might not be a bad idea. That is, a small amount of nitrous while spooling would be good, then rapidly ramp up to the full nitrous flow at launch. But if the time interval is minscule, what is to be gained? The only gain I can grok is a smoother, more controlled ramp-up of power. The sudden 'shock' of max power can cause tires to break loose, and can cause things to break. Controlling the power ramp-up might just allow for better acceleration. N

In a progressive system you can put a great deal bigger jet , and multiple jets in one stage , and you can ramp it up , at what ever rate you like , starting very slow to help spool,

Here is the way I would run a non transbrake system .



When you go full throttle , the system triggers on , say you have a nozzle , with no jets in it , so your flowing . 125 per hole. That is and incredible amount of nitrous. You can’t hit that much nitrous at one time , so you bring it in starting a 20 % and ramp to 50 % in half a second , ramping to 75% in the next half a second , and then 100% a quarter of a second later .



Now its time to start talking about a second stage, with two more . 125 holes . Remember the timer is counting, so you now 1. 25 seconds in to the run, you ramp in the next increment in at say two seconds at 25 % . You are flowing a lot of nitrous , so the rest of the run you ramp in additional % to maintain the same flow , remember if you flowing this much out of one bottle , you are losing bottle pressure , so additional jet will make up for this loss.



You can ramp in these percentages in increments of . 010 seconds all the way down the track

 

[COMP461]

I just thought I would share this video of how to keep up with the leaders. Notice how clean it is off the line. :-laf Can anyone tell who's helping him out of the car?



http://www.supermotors.org/clubs/dhra/gallery/showmedia.php?id=297350

Funny , I have allways wanted to see that , remember I was not involved in anything under the hood then,

 

[Amish Elegance]

Can anyone tell who's helping him out of the car?

OMG, is that Mike Woods? :-laf :-laf



JK, but you did come out swingin pretty good at ole doc there. :-laf



And in all that commotion, you manage to strike a pose and make it look like all in a days work. :-laf :-laf

 

[fest3er]

I just thought I would share this video ...

I know some folks often wonder what he's smoking, but I don't think this is it.

 

[Sled Puller]

ROTFLMAO!!!!

CLASSIC!



Hello boys and girls, today we are going to show you what happens when a gasserboy jumps into the Diesel world and is going to show us all how its done!!



Has anyone ever seen Kent or Van running from their trucks so the smoke doesn't get them???? Oo. :-laf

 

[AKives]

I just thought I would share this video of how to keep up with the leaders. Notice how clean it is off the line. :-laf Can anyone tell who's helping him out of the car?



http://www.supermotors.org/clubs/dhra/gallery/showmedia.php?id=297350

Comp- After this occurred how many pioneers/leaders in the diesel industry did you call and question before you determined what had happened? :--) :-laf :-laf

 

[COMP461]

I went from that , to leading the pack, in oh say 24 mnonth , so what does that tell you

 

[Jetpilot]

I'm not against NX in the least. I just don't know any trucks running their system. (Or at least a NX label on their system. ) If anyone is, please raise your hand, I'd love to know how they work on the track.

I have been using NX components on all my nitrous powered trucks for the last 5 years..... I have to agree with Jim that I like the progressive controller setup better than the hobbs switches. I get concerned with systems that just use throttle switches due to the ability to enduce nitrous prior to proper boost being obtained, this can have very destructive results. Using our own designed system with only a single solenoid we were able to make over 830 RWHP with our 2002 24v using NX components. I am not trying to say NX is the best or only way to make HP its just what I have used with great success.



Doug Smith

 

[Sled Puller]

I went from that , to leading the pack, in oh say 24 mnonth , so what does that tell you

What pack was that? NHRA Diesel pack I guess, pack of ONE.

 

[JHellmann]

Comp- After this occurred how many pioneers/leaders in the diesel industry did you call and question before you determined what had happened? :--) :-laf :-laf

The truck was hauled to San Antonio immediately after that to Mobile Diesel Performance to have the mess under the hood cleaned up and twins installed. Since the "cutting edge technology " of twin turbos had never been seen before that nite by the "diesel god" .

I was there ... missed the meltdown at the line but saw the professionalism of doing a burnout in the pits.

 

[COMP461]

The truck was hauled to San Antonio immediately after that to Mobile Diesel Performance to have the mess under the hood cleaned up and twins installed. Since the "cutting edge technology " of twin turbos had never been seen before that nite by the "diesel god" .

I was there ... missed the meltdown at the line but saw the professionalism of doing a burnout in the pits.

wrong , I built the twins , nothing was done , anywhere else

 

[Cooker]

I'm just surprised there is acutal video of Comps truck at the track :-laf

 

[Sled Puller]

Ah yes, Cooker, but ifyou watch closely, you will see it didn't actualy go the WHOLE WAY down the track!!!



COMP prolly thinks he did, because in his head, he THINKs the truck is going fast, but the smoke shields him from reality. :-laf :-laf