NV241LD versus NV241HD observations

[RezRockit]

anybody experienced any situation where the NV241HD performed more capably than NV241LD besides in pto applications or just being built more heavy duty?

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'01 2500 SLT,QC,4x4,ETH/DEE

 

[ANCIENT WOOD]

I got the HD in mine and I noticed one difference between mine and 3 others with the LD. When you let off the throttle in theirs you get a lot of backlash in the drivetrain, mine has none. These other trucks are 96-98 models. I could lay under them and have someone push them back and forth and most of the slack seemed to be in the transfer case-transmission area. I am not saying the LD for sure has more slop, just in these cases. Maybe it was corrected in newer models.

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1998. 5 QC 2500 4X4 24 VALVE, INTENSE BLUE, 235-85 MICHELIN, BANKS STINGER,DD Stage1 injectors, BD ebrake, PE-EZ to replace the Banks ottomind box ,5 Sp, 3. 54

 

[willyslover]

ya might want to ask Adam [My6 Eats V8's] about the difference. . #ad
#ad
he has blown his share and a few others share also . . sorry Adam had to get ya. . hehe
Not recomended for the pulling ranks or the mud boggs. . suggest you get the HD if the HP game is yours

 

[CCahill]

REZ,
I have the HD in my truck, not for the PTO, but just another HD part in the truck. . Once you start breathing on these engines, they put out an incredible amount of torque, just trying to eliminate another weak link. #ad


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2001 Quad,4x4,4. 10LS,LB,Loaded enough,stock,mostly... . 65 Chevelle sedan, Hella nice driver, 53 Nash Rambler Convt,1 of 653 built,[not a Metro], GM drivetrain, injection, and auto/od
Specialized FSR PRO Stumpjumper Cannondale F2000, Loaded
MTD Lawn tractor with flames
12' fishin' boat, loaded. .

 

[MikeR]

Both my old '99 and present '00 had the LD 241,not a problem(or leaks) with either one. My trucks power isn't stock either,but Last month I drove 80 miles through unplowed snow in 4x the whole time... no problems,hitches,or snags. No problems wheelin' the thing either.
Low range,along with a 2-wheel low kit gets used every single day because I have to backup a steep angle to park my truck in the carport. Also low range/2-low gets used almost every weekend backing a very small trailer into small parking lots and alleys.

-Mike

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'00 2500,QC,4wd,LWB,Dark Garnet,6spd,3. 54lsd,SLT,DD stage II,Psychotty air,10-level PM3,Jacobs ebrake,Isspro pyro & boost gauges,2wd-low,Airoquip fuel lines,Smittybilt nerfs,BFG 285/75 AT's
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'95 2500,Reg-cab,2wd,LWB,White/Driftwood,Automatic,3. 54open,SLT

[This message has been edited by MikeR (edited 03-05-2001). ]

 

[John]

As I remember, per Dave Fritz's website; the NV241 is rated at 1,028 lb. ft. of input torque whereas the NV241HD is rated at 1,400 lb. ft. In addition, the HD has a heavier duty chain that is also one row wider. As I've said before, best "$100. " I've ever spent! #ad


The funny part about it is prior to ordering my Ram several dealers told me the ONLY difference between the two was PTO capability for the NV241HD. #ad


I went ahead and ordered the HD and then stumbled across the info on Dave's website. I sure would have been pi$$ed if I'd taken the word of several salesman and ordered the non HD. BTW, one of the salesman worked for the largest Dodge truck dealer in the USA. #ad


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John Treibel
'98. 5 2500 QC 4x4 Sport, Glasstite Vision II, 285 BFG A/Ts on M/T Challengers, Warn 4X Boards, Mopar fender flares & tow hooks, NW Custom s/s-rubber mud flaps and accs. , Mag-Hytec diff. cover & trans. pan, Edelbrock IAS shocks, Reese Titan V hitch, SPA gauges (3), Dynamat, '00 Sport grille and headlights/PIAA Super White bulbs, PIAA Dual Sport 900 aux. lights, BD exh. brake, Amsoil Dual Remote Bypass, Optima Yellow Tops, DD3s and DD TTPM, Aeroquip AQP braided s/s fuel hoses, Banks High-Ram intake manifold and 14 cm2 turbine housing w/Big Head wastegate actuator, ATS 3-piece exh. man. , Banks 4" dia. s/s exh. sys. , DTT 93% TC, DTT custom tuned VB, BD modified trans. front pump (enhanced by DTT), Air Bulldog induction hood (with NACA ducts), plus MANY other trick modifications

NRA Life (Patron) member

 

[Great White]

Well I thought I was buying the toughest truck money could buy. . So if it said HEAVY DUTY I ordered it... except snowplow. Rich

 

[merryman]

My one frustration with my 01 ETH DEE is that I have the light duty transfer case because the salesman (16 years a dodge truck salesman) was positive that the diesel package included heavy duty transfer case. My mistake also to rely on a sales guy to know what he was talking about---but he SEEMED so knolegable!!
I did not discover the problem for a month after delivery because I just did not think to check.

Vaughn

 

[PRout]

Same here Merryman.

I also ended up w/ the LD. Kinda ticked me off that they could even be so stupid to offer the LD for a puny hundred bucks difference. The HD should be standard, (only one persons opinion I guess).

I have noticed the extra slop in the driveline as mentioned earlier, and suspected it was in the txfrcase. Like they say its rated for over 1000lbs torque, so it should be pretty tough. We really dont hear of this being a problem here on the TDR so I got over it.

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2k, 30k miles, QC, SB, 4x, 6sp, 3. 54, 285/75r16 bfg/at, stock air cleaner (reliable), silencer ring "in" (runs better), Sunnybrook 28' fiver, 16,780 lbs. 18mpg (unloaded), 12-14 mpg (loaded). VA, DD1's, PS Boost module & elbow, BD brake... also, Nitrous Oxide piped direct into the block (stealth - to keep the warranty), 10 gallon per minute fuel pump, ECM right out of Don Garlit's Top Fueler (he gave it to me) (for letting him ride in my truck), Super Modified DD1 Injectors ("Hand Honed" with a 1/4" reamer & my 12v Makita). More BOMBING to come. .

 

[1tuffram]

same here merryman,

when I sat down with the salesman to build my truck I made it very clear I wanted heavy duty everything. Figured he knew what he was doing, right?? While the truck was on order I called the salesman and made mention I saw in the sales brouchers there was HD transfer case option for the 2500. I was reassured I had it, "Dodge only builds these diesels with heavy duty components". A few weeks after delevery I noticed the sticker under the hood said NV 241 STANDARD. I went back the dealer a little hot and questioned them. The salesman & Manager had one of those 15 minute coffee break meetings while I waited in the lobby. He came out to say they went thru all the sales manuals and found nothing about a standard or HD version of the NV 241 and they even called Chrysler to verify. They said "Dodge puts a heavy duty transfer case in the diesels" They further feed me a BS line of they had no idea what the sales brouchers where refering to about a HD transfer case option and further the sticker under my hood was wrong!!!!! When I asked them to point out the PTO take off the HD transfer case has they pointed to the PTO cover plate on the 5sp trans and said "see, there it is".

Sorry for the long store, but bottom line is never trust the sales people to know anything but how to sell a vehicle.

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'95 2500 SLT 5 speed 4x4

 

[John]

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER take the word of a salesman! As I stated before, I had two different salesman try to feed me that BS about the standard -vs- the HD 241s.

I'm not sure but I think the 3500 4x4 has the NV241HD as standard equipment. Am I remembering this correctly?

 

[Phil Stuart]

Do your homework and arm yourself with as much info. you can before heading to dealer!Like the earlier post,salesmen just know how to sell!

Phil

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`01 2500,4x4,QC,LB,ETC,5 spd(DDX),HDtransfer case(DHG)
3. 55 LSD,Tow Pkg. ,Snow plow pkg. ,Forest Green PC,Mopar alum. side steps,Mopar mud flaps with Cummins logo,Mist grey seat covers,Tekonsha brake controller,Hadley air horns,Pacbrake.
Built in St. Louis
THE BIG GREEN MACHINE

Phil Stuart

 

[HEMI®Dart]

1tuffram & merryman

I went through almost the same thing as you. One day I was looking at my sticker under the hood and saw to my horror the tansfer case was a NV-241. It figured it must be a mistake. So I slid under the truck to reassure myself by finding the P. T. O cover. There is none! WTF! I had thought a NV-241HD would be standard equipment on a Cummins 4x4. How could Dodge put a light duty transfer case behind a NV-4500HD trans and a 5. 9L Cummins in a 8800 lb GVW truck? #ad
If I had known it was an option, I would have gotten it. If the LD transfer case turns out to be my weak link in the driveline after I add more performance mods this spring... ... I will Scream!

Maybe D/C figures their LD version of the 241 is more than tough enough to handle the torque of the STOCK Cummins engine? It's the 100% increase above stock HP & torque that makes me nervous. I would much rather have the HD version rated @1400 ft LB.

MikeR,
Do you know if the torque rating of 1028 lb-ft for the NV-241 is measured when the case is in 2 Wheel or 4 Wheel drive?



[This message has been edited by HEMI®Dart (edited 03-07-2001). ]

 

[klenger]

I think I am correct on this, but if not, then you can compare me to a salesman.

The torque numbers on both units appear to be much higher than is needed for any of these engines, but the torque that the transfer case sees is multiplied by the gear ratio of the transmission. For example, if you have the NV4500 and you are in 1st gear, the max torque to the transfer case could be as high as 460 lb-ft * 5. 61 = 2580 lb-ft. Of course, the only way that the engine could actually deliver this much torque in 1st gear is if the truck could not move, in which case you would probably snap an axle or drive shaft anyway.

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Ken Lenger
On Order - 2001. 5 2500 QC 4X4 SWB SLT, ETC/DDX 5 Speed, 3. 55 (no antispin), camper group, trailer folding mirrors, RBR CD/Radio, LT265/75R16E AT OWL tires, trailer tow group, Patroit Blue / Agate,
Replaces 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 which is for sale.
Trailite 21' Travel Trailer, ~4000 lbs loaded.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Originally posted by klenger:
I think I am correct on this, but if not, then you can compare me to a salesman

klenger, I will believe & listen to you before I will a Dodge Salesperson. #ad

 

[RezRockit]

thanks for the replys. i do have the LD and have used the four wheel quite a bit this winter with no problems. did have a leak at 20,000 miles at the trans/tranfer case housing but it was a rear transmission seal. the transfer case hasn't had too much torque applied other than when i got buried in mud,to the bottom of the axles in a pasture. couldn't get out but i think the stock michelins were the problem. didn't sling good enough. i too was told the only difference was the pto capability only to read what the difference was after the fact. the idea about busting gears on the transfer case only when alot of torque is applied and no drive axle movement may be a fact. i had that happen to me several years ago on '85 F250. Ya'll have a good evening!

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'01 2500 SLT,QC,4x4,ETH/DEE

 

[klenger]

Talking about dealers that don't know what they are talking about, I had one of them tell me that the difference between the transfer cases was that the HD was FULL TIME 4WD!!! Actually, if you look at the Dodge literature, they refer to the HD as "Shift on the Fly", which leads one to believe that the standard transfer case is not.

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Ken Lenger
On Order - 2001. 5 2500 QC 4X4 SWB SLT, ETC/DDX 5 Speed, 3. 55 (no antispin), camper group, trailer folding mirrors, RBR CD/Radio, LT265/75R16E AT OWL tires, trailer tow group, Patroit Blue / Agate,
Replaces 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee V8 which is for sale.
Trailite 21' Travel Trailer, ~4000 lbs loaded.

 

[merryman]

The thing that burns me more than the fact that sales guy was fulll of it, is the fact tha knowing better, I still listened to him!!!!!!!!
Old age must be setting in.

Vaughn

 

[UKRugbyman77]

Let's not even get started on salesmen. I had one tell me that there was no way I could get an ETH/DEE ltd slip w/o 4:10 gears. Secondly, I asked him what the major differences between long bed and short bed were (re: ride, turning radius, etc. ) to which he responded with, "they are exactly the same except for extra metal on the back, in fact, just drop the tailgate on a short bed, and you have your long bed"
I felt so sorry for him, I almost give him $3 for a new can of Pomenade before I got the he** out of there.


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"Six Pack" 2001. 5 QC 4x4 LWB ETH/DEE
All the goodies - hold the cow.
Solid Black - Like the legs and at least one eye after a good rugby match!

 

[MikeR]

Yes John,the 3500's come standard with the NV241-HD.

To everyone else,the standard 241 is rated at 1028 lb-ft of torque... unless you're putting more than that through it,I wouldn't worry about it.

-Mike