Here I am

Oil Analysis: Amsoil 5W-30 in 6-Speed

Attention: TDR Forum Junkies
To the point: Click this link and check out the Front Page News story(ies) where we are tracking the introduction of the 2025 Ram HD trucks.

Thanks, TDR Staff

Help - Disable AC in defrost on a '96.

service contract

Status
Not open for further replies.
Talked to Oil Analyzers about the oil sample taken from my 6-speed. Amsoil Series 3000 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil has been in there for 22,000 miles now. The technician and I talked at length. He said oil looks great, no problems found. I will post the actual report as soon as I get it. It has not arrived in the mail yet.

I'm sure some of you will be interested.



It looks like the overpriced Texaco lube is NOT the only choice after all! :)
 
Did you manage to get feedback on how the wear rates compared to the factory lube? Did you, or Oil analyzers, have any data from transmissions with the Texaco Lube for comparison?

Since you seemed very happy with the overall results, I'm guessing that something like that was part of your conversation, but wanted to confirm the details.



This is good information; thanks for posting what you found!
 
I doubt anybody has taken samples of their transmission oil. people tend to forget anything without a dipstick!



Glad to hear it is working out.



I sampled the Amsoil in my 5 speed a few times, came back perfect.

Gene
 
I sampled mine, in my 5spd. Amsoil 75w-90, same as what's in the axles. (the 6spds. use motor oil, 5spds. use gear lube) The results came back great. Also, no metal shavings on Mag-Hytec dipstick (rear axle) since I switched to Amsoil.
 
Re: Amsoil testing

I just got my information from amsoil. They sell the Analysis Kit. how hard is it to do this kinda stuff. thanks

Chris

Sampling is hard, and messy. And you have to work to get consistent results, because you're either pouring out of the filter (not recommended), or under the drain pan trying to catch some streaming hot oil without getting splashed. Either way, you're probably gonna burn your hands at least a little.

Everything I just said goes out the window after you have the sample pump. Then it's sooooooo easy.



Can you tell I kicked myself for not getting the sample pump sooner?

:eek:
 
For engine oil sample loosen drain plug 1-2 turns until a steady stream flows and wait a minute before sticking the sample bottle in the stream. I dont remove the drain plug all the way until the very last part of the oil is coming out, dont have to chase the plug and doesnt splash as much.
 
Originally posted by Cumminpwr11

how much for a sampling pump???



Where do ya get one?



Thanks chris



Amsoil sells the sample pump for $24. 50 (unless prices have increased). It is part # G-1206 : Oil Suction Pump w/10-ft. hose.

25 ft of Replacement tubing can be purchased for $11. 35
 
Buy the replacement hose at a hardware store. I buy it for . 06 ft at our local hardware store. I don't know where they get the price for thiers!
 
I wasn't aware of any "wear related" problems with those trannies - I thought the vast majority of problems related to parts coming loose due to design and the way gears are assembled on shafts? In those cases, I wouldn't think the lube itself would have any harmful/beneficial effect whatsoever, other than perhaps giving the dealership service department an open door to deny warranty service if they know a non-specified lube was in use at the time of failure...



Sort of a high risk to pay, for so LITTLE possible "benefit", it seems to me... :rolleyes:





AHhhh - but we DO have "Magnussen-Moss" to protect us, and send the service department to their knees screaming and begging for mercy... :rolleyes: :p



BUT, I'm sure one of the resident "outhouse warranty lawyers" in this group would be happy to assume the role of legal representation in such a case - and if not, Amsoil will GLADLY step up to the plate and either provide a lawyer, or graciously just pay the bill for the unfortunate owner (as they have in so MANY past cases... )... :rolleyes: :p



Repeat after me:



"When I insist/choose to indulge in non-recommended or approved vehicle items, *I* am MY OWN warranty station... "



(sarcasm mode off... )
 
Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q



(as they have in so MANY past cases... )... :rolleyes: :p



(sarcasm mode off... )





There must not have been any failures then, eh Gary? And nobodys warranty has been voided for using a better lubricant.







Sarcasm mode on,



How is that STP and TP filter working for you?



Sarcasm mode off!!



LOL!:D :D
 
Let's face it Gene, Amsoil will put potential claims thru the SAME legal wringer as the car manufacturers - they have the same type of lawyers working for them to protect their "image" and reputation - AND $$$ interests as DC, Ford and GM!



So the notion that an end user has any ACTUAL "protection" OR backing support from an outfit like Amsoil is just so much FANTASY! The first thing Amsoil is likely to do in case they are approached on a refused warranty due to use of their product, is mail you a neat 'lil brochure quoting the MM act, and and verbal assurances that the unfortunate warranty claimnant has "the law on their side... "



Beyond THAT, anyone holding their breath waiting for ACTUAL, REAL backing or assistance from Amsoil and similar companies will no doubt die of strangulation...



AND, if push comes to shove, and the claimnant next attempts to legally force Amsoil to in any way assume direct responsibility for any claimed failures, AMSOIL *THEMSELVES* will put the claimnant thru legal HeII the auto maker never even THOUGHT of! THEY will demand thorough, documented lab "proof" that it was THEIR product that really caused the failure, and not abuse or component defect. Few of us have the financial or time resources to successfully challenge the car makers OR the likes of Amsoil. :rolleyes:



YOU know that, and *I* know that - so why pretend it's otherwise? And WHY gamble the warranty on a 30-40 grand truck, based on the supposed "generosity" and good intentions of a company whose primary interest is in the bottom line $$$?



How's MY STP and TP filter? They're GREAT - but then, MY truck is LONG out of warranty, and I fully understand that ANY failures that MIGHT occur are entirely MY re$pon$ibility, and neither STP or Frantz will be comming running to bail me out in the SLIGHTEST!



And regardless of my own, personal opinion of STP and TP filters, *I* would think LONG AND HARD before I ever considered one on a new, warrantied vehicle. Fact is, I have a brand new in-the-box TP filter sitting on a shelf - I would LIKE to have it on my '98 Camaro SS - but I consider it to be rather foolish to thus endanger the warranty still in effect on my all-aluminum LS-1 engine... :eek:



And I DERN SURE would NOT be casually recommending their use to others under the mythical assurance that if failures DO occur, the unfortunate owner will get the SLIGHTEST sympathy or REAL support from either the carmaker OR the aftermarket supplier!;)



Cuz, chances are, it's a LIE! :rolleyes:



Notice this is NOT about whether the aftermarket stuff IS any good or not, only the fantasy that end users of non-specified products used on their vehicles can DEMAND or EXPECT willing assistance from car makers OR aftermarket supplers, regardless of MM or the "promises" of those aftermarket suppliers!;) :p
 
Last edited:
It just goes back to shoulda, coulda, woulda. Until somebody shows me proof that this has happened, it is all just talk.

And I would not call a company a lier just because of opinions.



I took my $30,000 truck and put the best lubricants I could buy in it, because I was concerned with the truck living WELL BEYOND warranty, not just liveing DURING the warranty.



I have never seen such a group of people so concerned (unfounded)with oil and warrantys, but they do not hesitate to modify every other component on the truck!! Actually breaking federal laws while they do it!!:eek:

gene
 
All I was attempting to point out is my own personal experience with this oil in my transmission, backed up by oil analysis. Dodge claiming a "lifetime fill" for any transmission using any oil behind the Cummins shows where their judgement is. Do I follow Dodge's change interval with my transmission? Of course not. ALL oils will suffer shear related viscosity breakdown in manual transmissions. That is one reason they need to be changed periodically.



I did not intend this thread to turn into a warranty debate.
 
Lets examine goals to check for good intent.



1. Dodge's goal is to make as much corporate profit as possible.

A. Maximize the number of and profit margin made on each vehicle.

B. Profit from supplying and installing replacement parts on customer vehicles.



2. Amsoil manufactures lubricants. Their goals are;

A. Maximize corporate profitability.

B. Maintain a state of the art product line of lubricants that will do the job a customer asks of them.



In summary, Dodge is in the business of selling vehicles and parts. They have a vested interest in seeing the things I buy wear out, as long as it is not so quickly that I blame them. Amsoil has nothing to gain like Dodge does from things wearing out.



Now who did you say I was supposed to trust?
 
Riflesmith, good point.



I changed out my 6-speed lube at 50,000 miles and it looked very bad. There is no way keeping that stuff in there any longer would have done the transmission any good. It was very black except it was full of metallic material to the point it was silvery gray. I filled it with Amsoil 5W30.



There was a post by Joseph Donnelly at least a year ago about using Amsoil lube in transmissions (in this case a 5-speed with the 75W90 gear oil). He remarked how clean and how well the lube held up in a trans that was behind a BOMBed truck (it could have been Sickly's trans). I will try and dig it up because it is worth reading.



Vaughn
 
QUOTE:



"Now who did you say I was supposed to trust?"



It isn't entirely about "trust" - it's MORE about the "rules of the game" - and as related to yer TRUCK, it's DEFINITELY *DC's game!*;)



If yer gonna pay well over 30 grand for a new truck, and THEN expect the maker to honor their warranty, you DERN sure better "play the game" by THEIR rules!



It's no different than if YOU marketed a product with clear and precise instructions for its use and maintenance - would YOU be eager and willing to make constant replacements/repairs due to users insistance on NOT following your clear directions?



OF COURSE NOT!:rolleyes:



Naturally DC expects various components to eventually fail and need replacement - or the whole truck to be eventually replaced - just as Amsoil fully expects to sell you more than ONE crankcase full of oil in your lifetime!:p



They BOTH count on REPEAT business, and they can only do that if you conscientiously follow their clear recommendations on the use and application of their stuff!



Try using Amsoils engine oil in yer automatic transmission - and THEN see if they honor any "warranty" when that transmission FAILS - of course they would NOT, nor SHOULD they, when you improperly use their product, regardles of how GOOD it may be in its intended use.



So WHY should DC honor a warranty item when improper or unspecified chemicals or hardware are installed?



YOU wouldn't... :p ;)



Neither would *I*... ;)
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top