Oil analysis and particle count - Delo 400 15/40

[Gary - K7GLD]

HEY WALLY - what's the prospect on seeing that Spinner oil analysis report? Oo. Oo.

 

[Mundgyver]

I got side tracked. I will throw it up when I get home tonight. Not looking good though. I might be losing a bearing. I should have it posted by 8:30 or so tonight, it is 6:15 now and I still have to do a passdown here at work and then 1/2 hour drive home which puts me there about 7:30/7:45 depending on traffic.

 

[Mundgyver]

Well I am somewhat disappointed.



2 um = 2398

5 um = 888

10 um = 246

15 um = 95

25 um = 22

50 um = 2



Copper went from 35 to 134 with iron being at 23 and lead at from 4 to 6.



Everything else is ok, so near as I can figure, either the bronz bushing in the spinner is my source or I am losing a bearing.



I have changed out my oil and will run for 1,000 and take another sample and see what we get, then I will disable the Spinner and change out the oil and run another 1,000 and see what we get.



This will give me a direction to go.



Oh the oil had 15,772 on it with no additional oil added at any time and the TBN was at 6. 1 still ok to use by the report. I have over 174,000 now on the engine with lots of towing, heaviest is at 23,000. The engine is still strong and still have my original VP.



Life goes on and we shall see what we shall see



That the plan so far, will let you know when I get the next report.

 

[dsherman]

Well I am somewhat disappointed.



2 um = 2398

5 um = 888

10 um = 246

15 um = 95

25 um = 22

50 um = 2



Copper went from 35 to 134 with iron being at 23 and lead at from 4 to 6.



Everything else is ok, so near as I can figure, either the bronz bushing in the spinner is my source or I am losing a bearing.



I have changed out my oil and will run for 1,000 and take another sample and see what we get, then I will disable the Spinner and change out the oil and run another 1,000 and see what we get.



This will give me a direction to go.



Oh the oil had 15,772 on it with no additional oil added at any time and the TBN was at 6. 1 still ok to use by the report. I have over 174,000 now on the engine with lots of towing, heaviest is at 23,000. The engine is still strong and still have my original VP.



Life goes on and we shall see what we shall see



That the plan so far, will let you know when I get the next report.

Does any one have the brake down of what all the numbers and letters mean

2 um = 2398

5 um = 888

10 um = 246

15 um = 95

25 um = 22

50 um = 2

I can't read this, help

what web site can i go to get this type of info.

David

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Does any one have the brake down of what all the numbers and letters mean

2 um = 2398

5 um = 888

10 um = 246

15 um = 95

25 um = 22

50 um = 2

I can't read this, help

what web site can i go to get this type of info.

David

Basically, it's a sorta unspectacular report of various particle sizes measured in Microns found in the oil as part of the analyzing process - I'm rather surprised the numbers are so high, especially down at the lower end of the spectrum - even with the miles the oil had on it. But in fairness, I wouldn't put a lot of emphasis on this single, lone report - a few followups will deliver a better overall average.



Meanwhile, I'll scoot over to the "Oil Guy" forum for whatever comparison I can find that is reasonably close.



Thanks for taking the time and making the effort Wally - it helps to gather as much info as possible in these various add-on oil filtration systems.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I'll again post my own particle count from earlier in this thread - 5000 miles on Delo 400:



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And, posted by Gary Allen over on the "Oil Guy" board, as a comparison comment on my own particle count seen above vs one of his own:

ISO Particle Count: 17/16/13,

Particles were:

>2 micron = 1,666,

>5 mu = 617 mu,

>10mu = 170,

>15 mu = 66,

>25 mu = 15,

>50 mu = 1,

>100 mu = 0.



This is from my full flow PureOne that was in service 9k/13m



There appears to be, roughly, a 3-4:1 increase in number as you go smaller.



This appears to work for just about any filter . . including a bypass.



You appear to have 10X the filtering across the board.

Admittedly, Gary's sample was at lower miles on the oil than Wally's - but not by a significant amount - and those numbers are for a standard (non-bypass) full flow filter!



As a followup reply to the fellow above confused by particle count #'s, the BETTER the oil is filtered, the LOWER the resulting numbers at various particle sizes - for more info on oils and tests, check out this website:



http://bobistheoilguy.com/

 

[PRout]

Thanks for the input Gary & everyone. This is a very interesting thread, ive sure been learning alot from the comparisons/explanations.

Status: Since my last report have driven about 2-3k miles, and havent changed anything except one of the 2 tp rolls and added a quart of Delo as makeup oil. Plan to run maybe 5k more miles and will post another report including particle count. Im still not thrilled about my particle numbers, but after comparing to some others, ill let it ride a little while longer and see if the Frantz filters are making the oil cleaner, just keeping up, or losing the battle against the small particles. .

Yeah, i kind of did expect to see a little better results from the spinner, but like Gary says, its better to go for the trend then relying on one test when deciding if its working or not.

Would really like to see how the FS-2500 compares. That video is impressive. .

Gary, Im running the 2 Frantz's without any restrictor fitting inline and the flow is pretty slow, kinda like in droplets when cold, and just guessing maybe one quart per 2-3 minutes when at operating temps. Its been that way for maybe 10k miles so far, so that particle count is probably about what you could expect to see under similar conditions if you add your spare filter inline. .

 

[05mxdiesel]

I just recently ordered a frantz tp bypass, but here are my results with a fleetguard stratapore and amsoil at 5200 miles. I was looking to get a baseline before I installed the tp unit. Blackstone said the sample was clean for an engine oil.



ISO Code 3 20/19/16



>=2microns - 12928

>=5microns - 4789

>=10microns - 1326

>=15microns - 512

>=25microns - 122

>=50microns - 11

>=100microns - 0

 

[PRout]

Wow, this is a great baseline to have. Thanks for posting the data.

Makes me feel better about how the frantz's are doing. Gary's count at approx the same miles are totally clean compared to these numbers, and mine at 30k look ok in contrast as well. Are you planning to do another analysis after installing and running the frantz for awhile?

Also, dont the 2005 trucks have the egr valve? If so, the frantz would almost be a necessity to keep the extra contamination out. Just a thought. .

 

[skorski]

oil

Good info but I am about to change from rotela to amsoil and confuised as to how long to go between oil changes? Now with rotela t I go 5 to 6 thousand Some towing fleetguard filter.

 

[05mxdiesel]

Shortshift, yes I do plan on sampling after I get to install the frantz this weekend. 05 and 06 do not have egr valves, just a cat that can be lost if wanted.



skorksi, are you going to run HDD 15w40? If so, try and sample around 7500 or a hair later with a filter change. I wanted to see how the oil was doing at 5200, and I am about to do a final sample at 12k and fill with new oil to run with the bypass.

 

[skorski]

oil

Yes I do plan on using 15 40 amsoil, is it ok to take a sample from the drain plug?

 

[05mxdiesel]

I have a fumoto drain valve on my oil pan. What I do since most analysis companies suggest not to take the first bit of oil from the drain pan for the sample, is to drain a quart into a clean bottle and then take the sample, while returning the 1st quart back to the motor. There are other ways of taking samples, through the dip stick is one of them.

 

[Mundgyver]

Another way to take a sample is to put a sampling port in your oil feed line to the turbo or off the second port on the oil filter housing. This way you can take a sample with the engine running. That is how I take samples. Makes it quick and easy.

 

[dsherman]

I think the copper is from the bushings in the Spinner II. Got to figure out how to put the report on. Give me a few minutes

Mundgyver,

The spinner II has a brass bushing and not a copper.

Any brass showing in the report

David

 

[Mundgyver]

No brass, just the copper. I have not sent in another sample yet. Still gathering a few more miles of driving.