Engine/Transmission (1994 - 1998) Oil opinions

[JGheen]

Just wanted some opinions on oils if anyone has any good advice. I have been running the Shell Rotella T for as long as I have owned my truck(over 130,000 miles) and am going to make the switch to Valvoline Premium Blue for the first time to see how the truck runs and if I get longer change intervals. Right now since my bombing, my oil gets somewhat a little blacker a little quicker(go figure) and I want to try the Blue to see how it perfoms and handles the soot. Anyone got any opinions, comments or concerns about this oil switch?



Thanks, Joe

 

[DMC]

This change in oil assumes you are doing analysis, which will determine the effectiveness of the Premium Blue over the Rotella. At 5k intervals your motor should do fine with the Rotella.



If your looking for reassurance the Premium Blue has been around for a while, and those who have reported their opinion of it have all had positive things to say about it.



One of the Million Mile Dodge/Cummins ran BP oil.



The Mobile Delvac 1300 15/40 is very good oil.



I prefer the Delo 400 15/40.



Good Luck



Don

 

[Howard Durand]

I have been running Premium Blue since the truck was new, 100K miles.

I really don't think it is superior to or worse than anything else.

I am planning to switch to Delo 400 primarily because of availability and price. (had to pay $13 for one gallon of PB at NAPA)

The only reason I did that was to give me enough for one more change before switching.

 

[JGheen]

Damn! $13 for a gallon of PB! I just got me 4 gallons yesterday for only $7. 30 a gallon at the local Kragen. I called Napa and all they had was the 5W-40 and that stuff is a little too thin for me. How much is the Delo 400? Is that made by Chevron or some other oil company? What makes that a "better" oil or the oil of your choice rather than the PBlue?

 

[DMC]

Delo 400 15/40 is made by Chevron.



It has been around almost as long as Chevron has been in existance.



There are alot of knowledgable people ( very old folks) who swear by this brand. Old folks that happen to know diesels, in my opinion, possess valuable knowledge.



Chevron warrants their oil to not contribute to an oil related failure. I believe the warranty is on the label.



The Delo 400 15/40 costs me about $6. 50 a gallon at Wally world.



My oil analysis indicates Delo maintains Viscosity and its TBN properties quite well.



I have seen labels on more than a few Caterpillar engine, stating that Delo 400 15/40 factory fill. Havent checked lately.



If you stop by any Peterbilt, Kenworth, Or Freightliner shop and ask them what kind of oil they have. They will ussually have Delvac, Delo, Rotella. Thats what the majority of Truckers ask for.





Do some more search's on this site for motor oil or Delo 400 and see what comes up.



Good Luck



Don

 

[redram]

Originally posted by DMC

Delo 400 15/40 is made by Chevron.

I have seen labels on more than a few Caterpillar engine, stating that Delo 400 15/40 factory fill. Havent checked lately.

Don

I doubt that you will find any current CAT engines with a factory Delo decal on it - it would be CAT DEO 15W40 (Caterpillar Diesel Engine Oil)

http://www.caterpillar.com/services..._data_sheets/_datasheets/englube/PEHJ0021.pdf

 

[DMC]

Yeah maybe your right, but we had a 3406 on our 2001 Washburn And Dougherty Tug Boat. Had Delo 400 factory fill label on it. Maybe I'm behind in the times and not to smart. But I don't think Caterpillar formulates their own oil.



Thanks



Don

 

[Howard Durand]

Delo 400 is available at Costco for about $36. 00 for a 6 gallon case.

I called Cummins Northwest about buying from them by the 30 gallon drum and they can't compete with the Delo from Costco.



I have had no problems with the Premium Blue, I just can't justify paying the "premium" price.

 

[Cooker]

Personally I would not switch from Rotella to Premium Blue. I can't say that I would recommend switching from Rotella to any other dino 15w40. The Rotella, although not my personal favorite of dino 15w40, has proven itself to be a very good oil.



If you want to switch to another brand, Delo 400 would be my first choice and Delvac 1300 would be a close second. The Valvoline products, IMHO, are decent but not when compared to the others mentioned.

 

[JGheen]

Originally posted by Cooker

Personally I would not switch from Rotella to Premium Blue. I can't say that I would recommend switching from Rotella to any other dino 15w40. The Rotella, although not my personal favorite of dino 15w40, has proven itself to be a very good oil.



If you want to switch to another brand, Delo 400 would be my first choice and Delvac 1300 would be a close second. The Valvoline products, IMHO, are decent but not when compared to the others mentioned.

But I thought people who know use Valvoline..... In your honest opinion, what makes the Delo better?

 

[Cooker]

I did a little more looking at the PB 15w40 and it appears it has been reformulated since the last I looked at it. On paper it appears to be very similar to the Delo 400.



I can't say much for the PB, but I have seen many oil analysis of the Delo 400 and it holds up and protects extremely well. I do not know if the PB will have the same characteristics in a real world application but I would imagine it to be a good oil, as is the Rotella.



Since the release of the CI-4 requirements, some manufactures had to step it up a notch. I think this has narrowed the gap between some of the different brands of oil.



As I said, I personally would stick with the Rotella as long as you do not have a desire or requirement to switch to a synthetic. JMHO

 

[Missouri Mule]

I use Valvoline 15w 40 all fleet plus. Getting decent price at auto parts store. I did an oil analysis a couple of years ago and it was just fine.



PB is a formula that Cummins came up with, Valvoline provides it.

PB is avaible at Advance Discount in Winter Park / Orlando stores for a good price, about one dollar more than I pay for fleet plus.



Valvoline also provides NAPA oil for their store brand.



Oil will tend to be blacker with the new rating, it is supposed to attract more soot to it. Good reason to use good oil filter like Fleetguard micro glass/ stratapore.



If you like a certain brand of oil use it and be happy!

 

[redram]

Originally posted by DMC

Yeah maybe your right, but we had a 3406 on our 2001 Washburn And Dougherty Tug Boat. Had Delo 400 factory fill label on it. Maybe I'm behind in the times and not to smart. But I don't think Caterpillar formulates their own oil.



Thanks



Don

Don,



I doubt that Cat put that decal there - the marine engine packager that installed the engines in the tug put it there! And how many of you run your Cummins like a marine engine - steady rpms for hours or days at a time and that would have probably been a straight weight oil such as a 40 Wt.



Regardless, Cat, Chevron, Mobil, Shell and all the rest are good oils. Use one that is API Licensed and meets at least an API CH-4 level in a 15W40 SAE viscosity grade.



Change it at the interval that leaves you with fuzzy feelings and move on down the road.



Cheers,

 

[mainer]

Just to throw something else out for thought..... For the JD 6081 in my boat, JD recomends using John Deere "Plus 50" oil. With this I can prolong my oil change interval from 250 hours to 375 hours. Says so right in the manual. A pail of Plus 50 costs about 48 bucks, but that's OK with me when I consider the extra time between changes. How do you suppose this stuff would do in a CTD?

 

[DMC]

Originally posted by redram

Don,



I doubt that Cat put that decal there - the marine engine packager that installed the engines in the tug put it there! And how many of you run your Cummins like a marine engine - steady rpms for hours or days at a time and that would have probably been a straight weight oil such as a 40 Wt.



Regardless, Cat, Chevron, Mobil, Shell and all the rest are good oils. Use one that is API Licensed and meets at least an API CH-4 level in a 15W40 SAE viscosity grade.



Change it at the interval that leaves you with fuzzy feelings and move on down the road.



Cheers,

I think you may be limited in your experience on this topic. You could learn a good bit about oil and filters at noria.com forums. These guy eat sleep and study lubriation and filtartion.



I also had a brand new 1995 Kenworth that came with the same label, that Caterpillar put on the 3406 that came in the truck. It stated that the motor was filled at the factory with Delo 400 15/40.



Cat does not formulate or package the oil that has their name on it, they don't make their own filters either. I was able to pin a Cat parts man down, and I was told that Donaldson made the filters, And Mobil and Chevron made their lubricants. But it is possible I was misinformed.



Oh by the way we use Mobil 1300 in the generators and fire pump on the Tugboat. The Generators have 10900, and 8500 hours on them. They are 3304's and we haven't been into them yet. Change the oil and filters every 500 hours. Thats equivalent to at least 20,000 miles. Did wear out two starters on one though.



We use Mobil NC450 40 Wt In the EMD 12645 F7B they have 10900hrs on the original oil Analysis every month.



If I switch from Delo on my Truck and Outboard, I will go to Mobil which I use in every thing else that I own.





For you Amsoil fans, your filters are made by Clark Filter and Baldwin.



Good luck



Don

 

[Cooker]

Originally posted by DMC

I think you may be limited in your experience on this topic. You could learn a good bit about oil and filters at noria.com forums. These guy eat sleep and study lubriation and filtartion.

FWIW "redram" is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to lubrication. His experience in the lubrication industry is possibly more than the the rest of us who have replied to this thread combined.

 

[Cooker]

Originally posted by mainer

Just to throw something else out for thought..... For the JD 6081 in my boat, JD recomends using John Deere "Plus 50" oil. With this I can prolong my oil change interval from 250 hours to 375 hours. Says so right in the manual. A pail of Plus 50 costs about 48 bucks, but that's OK with me when I consider the extra time between changes. How do you suppose this stuff would do in a CTD?

From what I have seen of it the JD Plus 50 looks to be a pretty decent oil. I cannot say I have seen anything about it that makes it stand out from the major oil brands One thing to note though is that the JD Plus 50 is not API licensed. This may not be that big of a deal for some but then again it is a big deal for others.

 

[amsoilman]

For you Amsoil fans, your filters are made by Clark Filter and Baldwin.

Don,

I think you may have been missinformed here. The Amsoil "full-Flow" filters are manufactured by "Hastings", and their "By-Pass" elements are manufactured by Amsoil Inc.



This is what I was told by Amsoil Inc. and I also saw with my own eyes where the By-pass elements are made when I was at the Amsoil 30th year convention last year.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[DMC]

Amsoilman:



I believe you are misinformed as well. I'm somewhat surprised you didn't know this, being an Amsoil Dist. The Baldwin and Hastings are made on the same line.



We use the Baldwin Lube oil filters to protect the Turbochargers on 2550 hp engines at work



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Baldwin Filters Expanding Product Line with $1. 6 Million Investment



RELEASE DATE: Friday, March 15, 2002



For More Information Contact: Mary Lehecka Nelson, 773-5032



Pierre – Baldwin Filters, an automotive air and oil filter manufacturer, is expanding its manufacturing capacity and product line at its current plant in Yankton, Gov. Bill Janklow announced today.



Baldwin Filters is a subsidiary of CLARCOR, a global provider of filtration productions and services for the engine/mobile, industrial and environmental markets.



“Six years ago we had the privilege to welcome CLARCOR and Baldwin Filters to Yankton when they expanded here with the purchase of Hastings Filters,” Janklow said. “They’re making another major investment in South Dakota. This is just more icing on the cake. ”



The company is going to produce a new line of heavy-duty air filters to add to the assortment of automotive air and oil filters that are already manufactured at the Yankton plant.



“The new investment in this plant will not only create new jobs, it will also keep this plant efficient and manufacturing products for today and tomorrow,” Janklow said.



“This $1. 6 million investment marks a milestone in that this will be a production line for heavy-duty air filters utilizing a new and unique process for Baldwin and Hastings Filters,” CLARCOR CEO Norm Johnson said. “We currently employ 130 people here and this investment will eventually create 24 new jobs in the factory. ”



“Baldwin Filters is excited to bring this new production line into our Yankton facility,” said Johnson. “We have a great deal of confidence and pride in our management and workforce in our manufacturing plant in Yankton. Since Baldwin Filters acquired this facility we have invested more than $10 million dollars to update and upgrade this location. The level of community support and the quality of people in the area made the decision to invest here an easy one. ”



Headquartered in Kearney, Nebraska, Baldwin Filters offers the most comprehensive product line in the industry. It offers heavy-duty protection for over-the-road commercial vehicles, off-road construction, mining and logging equipment, as well as in industrial, agricultural and marine applications.



Baldwin’s presence in Yankton began in 1995 when the company expanded to the city. In 1996, Baldwin added 69,000 square feet to the existing 95,000 square foot facility.



“The Yankton economic development program and the State of South Dakota have been major partners with Baldwin Filters, and Hastings Filters before that, ever since they came to Yankton in the mid 1980s,” said Ron Kraft, executive director, Yankton Office of Economic Development. “We have all been through several expansions together, and we are pleased that Baldwin Filters continues to invest in Yankton, South Dakota. ”



“Yankton thanks the Governor for his interest and participation in this expansion of Baldwin Filters,” said Randy Johnson, president, Yankton Area Progressive Growth.





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Anybody know the difference between Mobil Delvac 1 and Delvac 1300? Besides price and availability?