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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) One last question before 275's

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Before I install RV275's to replace the stock units (which Schied told me three were bad 2=60%, 5=60%, 1-90%) would it be a good idea to look into the possibility of a bad VP44. Last week I had to replace a lift pump cause it wouldn't prime my filter cannister after a change. The new one cured that. Well, this bad idle thing, which got worse over the three weeks that I have owned this truck, was blamed on three bad injectors according to Schied. I think they must have used the high pressure line sensor tool to see pulses or something cause it didn't take long and they didn't take anything apart.



After searching archives for "injectors", I ran across a post where someone else said it was rare for an injector pump failure to cause only one injector to go bad and that most likely, more than one would be acting up if the VP was failing.



Well, here I am, with 3 failing and 3 at 100%. Schied wants $80 to replace each stock injector (installed price I hope). I want to install 275's myself and save some $$ for other things in the meantime. Either way, its not exactly pocket change here.



Should I have them "test" the VP too?? (is that even possible). I know that if I do this injector install (of they do it) and my rough running engine is not fixed, and I come to find out that my VP is bad, I am going to be very upset. Because if I install 275's, no way will anyone warrant my VP44 then. Then there goes some major $$$ again. I cant get the injectors under warranty Schied claims. Again they said Cummins would say foreign dirt ruined them and not pay for them.



Again it runs very strong with throttle applied. Its just the idle that seems rough. But maybe applied throttle is rough too and I just dont have one to compare it to. I have no reference point. This is my first Cummins Dodge.



Even if Schied does the injectors for me and later come to find the VP is bad, whos to say Cummins wont say, well the same foreign matter that made the injectors go bad also ruined the VP. I dont mind paying a couple hundred for injectors but I wont buy a VP for a couple thousand. That will be the point when this expensive truck becomes too expensive to maintain. I'll be done with 24V Cummins diesels at that point. Sometimes I wish I would have just bought a 12V.



In closing, my question is what are opinions on the fact that 3 injectors are bad at the same time versus a bad VP44?



Sorry for all the questions, but the forum archives made me do it. . hehe. Theres too much info here. :confused:



PS: truck has 79,000 miles, no towing, or work.
 
Neil

I would trust Schield as they are professionels but for piece of mind ask them to test the VP , ya never know it may be bad, I aint no expert by no means but test the VP if its OK than do the 275's, I am told they have the same ### on them and the dealer will not be able to know anywho, when I did my 275's they had different ### on them but I have the HO and maybe thats different, why would the dealer pull injectors if the VP was infact bad... ... ... ... . cheers, Kevin
 
Originally posted by Ncostello

Should I have them "test" the VP too?? (is that even possible). I know that if I do this injector install (of they do it) and my rough running engine is not fixed, and I come to find out that my VP is bad, I am going to be very upset. Because if I install 275's, no way will anyone warrant my VP44 then. Then there goes some major $$$ again. I cant get the injectors under warranty Schied claims. Again they said Cummins would say foreign dirt ruined them and not pay for them.




I think you just answered your own question. If you want the piece of mind, have Schied check out the VP44.
 
Ncostello,



I have a question for you. With 79,000 miles on a 100,000 mile and five year warranty why not just take the truck into the dealer and with the diagnostic sheet from schieds and have the dealer replace the injectors under warranty.



Unless you have done something to void the trucks warranty there is still 21,000 miles of warranty left. If the dealer doesn't want to do anything about it call DC's customer care phone number in your owners manual.



Ron
 
I just got done reading your other thread on bad miss and injectors.



If you just purchased this truck I would be all over the dealer like flies on the girl down the street. The least they should do is go half with you and that should be about three hundred total, it only takes an experienced mechanic about an hour labor.



If you plan on putting 275 injectors in and noticeing a difference in power then your setting yourself up for some disappointment.



I installed stage 1 injectors (which are more HP than 275's) and could not tell the difference in power by the seat of the pants feel. The only way I could tell there was a difference was because I had done 0-60 MPH times prior to the injector install. The injector install cut 1 second off the 0-60 times and they gave my truck a solid 60 HP extra as prooven by the dyno runs, but I could not tell by the seat of the pants feel.



If you can get the injectors replaced under warranty the best thing to do if you want to increase your HP would be to just simply add a fueling box like a VA or EZ from the money you saved on the injector install and then when you go into the dealer for service work you can just remove the box, if you feel comfortable about deceiveing the dealer and DC, everyone has to answer that moral question for themselves.



Ron
 
Originally posted by ronsram1999

If you plan on putting 275 injectors in and noticeing a difference in power then your setting yourself up for some disappointment.



Ron



Ron,

Not to drag this thread off topic, but I think it is possible to feel the difference with a stage I/275 swap out. I was at the install for Okie when he got his 275's, and man they made a difference on his truck. Maybe it was because it's an HO, and they say HO's respond better with injectors, even more so with an EZ.



Andrew
 
Andrew,



I know what your saying but seriously it is hard to tell the difference by the seat of the pants feel.



Everyone is different, I couldn't feel 60 extra HP and the next guy will tell you he can feel the extra power from an air filter change. I just didn't want Ncostello to expect he can blow the doors off the rice burners from a 30HP increase.



Ron
 
Originally posted by ronsram1999

the next guy will tell you he can feel the extra power from an air filter change. I just didn't want Ncostello to expect he can blow the doors off the rice burners from a 30HP increase.



Ron





LMFAO!!!! Point well made! :)



Andrew
 
I didnt buy it new or from a Dodge dealership. I bought it from an individual. Otherwise, I might fight with them more. I actually enjoy working on it a little, I can handle this on my own time, and I can afford it. I ain't rich, but I can afford this. I got this truck for a heck of a good price and could easily sell it for more than I paid for it. Its real nice, but I dont think the previous owner did much on time besides change the oil and keep it clean.



I just wanted opinions about the thinking that the VP could be bad since three injectors appear to be bad and not delivering all the fuel they could. I just find it odd that three are bad at the same time. Either bad fuel, poor filter changing intervals, or a bad VP has to be the cause. This thinking started from me reading a post where someone mentioned this could be a symptom of a failing VP44 injector pump.



Note: If the VP is culprit in the end, I will not pay for a new one. Its either warranty work or I'll buy a 12V.



I will let you all know if the injectors fix the problem. If it dont, well... . we'll see.
 
Don't feel bad fixing stock injectors as far as money spent. I know that you can make a 420hp (flywheel) with stock injectors. So it is no waste of cash to restore the injectors. George
 
Well, ya asked for opinions, here's mine. If you are not comfortable installing the 275s, have Schied do them. While I'm no expert in the VP44 field, I'm not sure how the pump would cause a rough idle with good injectors, especially since it runs strong under throttle, but I've been wrong before. Keep the OEM injectors on hand, if it doesn't help with the 275s, put the OEMs back in and go for a warranty replacement of the VP44, if that is the cause. The going rate is usually $150. 00 for the injector install, least around here.





Scott W.
 
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