Online source for cheap $$$ FASS filters?

[rbattelle]

There seems to be a lot of debate over what the "stock" filter is... from fleetguard they seem to be 10 micron, but I read that the "dodge" version is 2 micron

I doubt it, or there'd be a different part number. I asked fleetguard about the part number for our trucks and they said it's 10-micron at 98% efficient.



-Ryan

 

[steved]

Which filter did they send you?

I think DPP just sends out whichever they are using at the moment.

jwilliams3: I specifically "upgraded" (even paid extra) for a 3 micron fiter... I know I was told by the vendor that the 3 and 6 micron filters were being phased out (by DPP themselves, not the manufacturer)... so soon you will only be able to get a 10 micron (or worse) filter from DPP. That was the main reason I went FASS, they use common off-the-shelf filters... everything else that I considered uses a proprietary filter.



rbattelle: I found that bit of info by searching this board... to be quite honest, there is very little "concrete" information about any of the filters... that is why I find it funny that someone will post that a WIX1202 is a 2micron and two posts later it is a 5micron! The only ones I really know for sure about right now (assuming the people who posted manufacturer responses weren't posting bad info) is the WIX51202 (or NAPA1202) as a 5micron, the HF6604 as a 3micron, the HF6607 as a 6micron, and the Baldwin BT37210 as a 5 micron.



steved

 

[rbattelle]

That was the main reason I went FASS, they use common off-the-shelf filters... everything else that I considered uses a proprietary filter.

I understand the desire to do this, Steve, but if it's this difficult to find an "off-the-shelf" filter that fits FASS and has a legitimate 2-micron rating, is it really worth it? Custom filters from companies like Racor or Stanadyne are readily available and are clearly documented to offer the 2-micron rating in efficiencies that are actually useful. In addition, those companies offer myriad "plug-and-play" customization options unavailable from FASS (such as electric heaters, WIF sensors, pumps, hand primers, clear water collection bowls, etc. ).



-Ryan

 

[steved]

I know there are other companies out there... and basicaly what it boils down to is I'm trying to see what other options there are besides the Fleetguards HF filters... what crosses, what those ratings are... for my own knowledge so that if I need to get another filter,I'm not getting a 30 micron filter that some other company has crossed over to the Fleetguard 3 micron...



steved

 

[steved]

HA!



I found the specifications for the HF6604 and HF6607... they are the SAME!



AND to add insult to injury... the HF6604 (claimed by DPP to be a 3 microm filter) is only 50% efficient at 3 microns, it is 98. 7% efficient at 10 microns, and 99. 5% efficient at 12 microns... SO TO ME IT ISN'T REALLY A TRUE 3 MICRON FILTER... it is more like a 10 micron!!!!!



So, now I got to figure out what the others are... WIX, NAPA, etc... the efficiency really shows what the filter is doing!!



I can get a WIX 51202 locally for $15... that is a 5 micron filter... at what efficiency I do not know!! So I got to put a call into them about that!



I am finding thatmost of these filters manufacturers are providing us with NOMINAL ratings... which is the smallest particle that will be trapped by the filter... but they don't tell you that only 50% (or less) of that particle size is being trapped!!!!!



steved

 

[RSimmons]

There seems to be a lot of debate over what the "stock" filter is... from fleetguard they seem to be 10 micron, but I read that the "dodge" version is 2 micron... I was trying to stay as small as I could since there seems to be a general consensus that particles smaller than 5 micron are what are causing the problem with the CP3.



I just got my FASS tonight... for those of you that have one... did the 95/150 unit come marked as a "150"??? I got mine and it has "150", not "95/150" on it. I have a email into the place I bought it from... they also sent me the wrong filter!



steved

Look at the box. I just want through the same thing. Both models are listed on the box but there is a check mark next to only one. Both models apparently have FASS-150 on the serial tag

 

[steved]

Yeah, we figured it out... I was also informed... .



The new FASS has no replaceable brushes... it is a "million mile" electric motor...



Now I'm wondering if this will cause issues... I bought the FASS because of the replaceable brushes and the fact they had such a good following... now I get to be a guinea pig... not what I really wanted to be... if only dodge would have left well enough alone and kept the old 12 valves.



I already looked the motor over and there is no "evident" way to take it apart... and living in NW PA in the rust belt... this doesn't give me great confidence. I don't even think that DPP lurks around here anymore, I'd like to hear what they have to say about it...



steved

 

[steved]

I called Napa...



Napa FIL1202 is a 5 micron nominal filter.



Napa FIL1724 is a 10 micron nominal filter.



You can look this up (as I was directed) at NapaFilters.com .



And I forgot to post this... I got the HF6607 as the "3" micron upgrade... they sent me the wrong filter!



steved

 

[steved]

I'm going to keep updating this post as I find information out...



I attempted to cross a catepillar filter (the high efficiency 2 micron fuel versions) and found none of them will work... several have the correct thread, but are 5 inches in diameter and 11 inches long... a little too big... none of the cat hydraulic filters cross either. Too bad because I believe these to be better than Fleetguard (2 micron absolute).



So, as of right now... (keeping with the smallest micron ratings)



HF 6604 is a 3 micron... fleetguard only... about $45 from a volume dealer.

HF 6607 is a 6 micron (at 75% efficiency)... fleetguard only (but they also have it down as a 3 micron in their literature???)



FIL1202 is a 5 micron (nominal) from NAPA which is also a Wix51202.

FIL1724 is a 10 micron (nominal) from Napa which is also a Wix51724.



Then there are the Baldwin BT372-MPG which is a 10 micron (nominal)

and the Balwin BT37210 which is a 5 micron...



I have found others... I know for a fact that these are the same filters used in a lot of John Deere tractors... so keep that in mind when filter hunting... they most likely can give you a Deere filter in a pinch.



The Wix51202 can be had for around $15 at most Wix dealers... I bought one from the local parts house last night as a back up.



The sites I used were Napa Filters (www.napafilters.com), Wix Filters (www.wixfilters.com), Catepillar's site (regarding filters), Fleetguard's site (regarding filters and literature), Baldwin's site, and several others... there are some really high end filters out there (down to 1 micron), but I didn't even check with them because they are either dealer only, cost prohibitive, or overseas.



And Napa's and Wix's sites are very similar... wonder why? But they actually give dimensions, pictures, flow and burst ratings as well as microns and are very useful in that respect.



And there is very little in the way of replacements for the screen filter... only Fleetguard (FS1023), Baldwin (BF7760), and DPP have replacements... there is a Napa (3691) that will fit, but has no drain... I also found another napa that will fit (don't remember the number)... but it filters to 15 microns but does have a petcock drain... really a "combined" unit.



steved

 

[JTryles]

So, no solid leads yet for an online dealer of the HF6604 eh?

 

[steved]

I found a local (if you call 150 miles local) FASS distibutor that can get them for $45 (each) and shipping... got a few coming from him as we speak.



Long Island Performance Diesel, ask for Jeremy.



steved

 

[steved]

Another couple:



Donaldson P169392 replaces the HF6604 and HF6607... I believe these were 2 or 3 micron filters... equal to the HF6604.



I also found the P169393 replaces the Wix51202, but it was like a 25 micron filter.



steved

 

[steved]

OK I just found a Fleetguard number for a heater that would most likely cross over to the FS1023 (although it wasn't listed).



This heater screws onto the filter mount, then the filter screw onto the adapter... 300 watts... 12 volt... ceramic (self regulating?)



Now, follow my logic:



The Filters, this heater is supposed to work with, are: FS1000, FS1001, FS1015, FS1022, FS1212, FS1240, FS1241, and FS1242. These filter are all approximately 3. 6 inches in diameter with a 1x14 thread. The gaskets are all approximately 2. 8 OD x 2. 4 ID. Now, the FS1023 is 3. 6D and 1x14 thread... I could not find the OD/ID of the gasket, but it should be very similar to these others.



OK, the heater and adapter:



Adapter 3837317S - $41

Heater 3836029S - $195



So it isn't cheap... BUT, it would screw right onto your existing FASS housing, heat your existing FS1023, and there would be no additional BS with plumbing.



Both of these Fleetguard numbers were current... they even had the heater in stock at my local Cummins dealer. So, maybe one of these days I will spend the $$ and see if it works... unless someone beats me to it.



steved

 

[rbattelle]

This heater screws onto the filter mount, then the filter screw onto the adapter... 300 watts... 12 volt... ceramic (self regulating?)

Steve, you do outstanding research! Good job!



Ironically, however, you've just thrown away a perfectly-working 300 watt 12v heater in your filter canister.



-Ryan

 

[steved]

Steve, you do outstanding research! Good job!



Ironically, however, you've just thrown away a perfectly-working 300 watt 12v heater in your filter canister.



-Ryan

I know, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... or did I? Hey, you're not picking on me are you...



From everything I've read the heater isn't needed unless it gets really cold... and I don't like really cold...



So for now, I'm going to run additive and live with what I got... it seems to work... just looking for inexpensive options... which I have found several... the veggie oil boys have inline heaters that supposedly will heat a 3/8" line up to 60*C or around 180*F... about $80.



I'm thinking about getting a stick-on 12V pad and running that on the screen filter... just as effective.



steved

 

[reddge]

Hi BDanner

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This is F Danner

 

[steved]

OK, another... this crossed to a HF6607 - Baldwin BT8509-MPG. I have not gotten any specifics... will post them when I do...



steved

 

[steved]

OK, direct from Baldwin:



The BT8509-MPG is a direct replacement for the HF6607. Absolute micron rating of 1 to 2 microns (meaning this is the smallest particle it will catch) and a nominal rating of 7 microns (meaning nothing larger than this will pass).



I believe the "MPG" nomenclature means it is a "glass" filter media.



I priced this filter at a local truck service place for $53 as compared to the HF6607's $75 price tag.



steved

 

[steved]

Ohhh and for those of you running HF6604's, they seem to be back ordered until sometime after February 2006.



This is straight from Fleetguard. The reason I'm sourcing something else...



steved

 

[ceastmen]

Wix Filters ($23.99 free shipping)?

I was looking on www.dodgedieseldatabase (Justin Williams) part and there was a Wix filter for the FASS for $23. 99 claimed to be 2 micron and a direct replacement. Free shipping, anyone use on of these Wix filters?

Chuck E.