Only truck to test "good" for crash test..... Ford?

[kcpolk]

Anyone else see this? Thoughts? They said Dodge tested the worst in the off set crash.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016...ing-in-new-insurance-crash-tests/?intcmp=hpff

I always use plan "A" for surviving a crash.

Plan "A" = DO NOT crash. :-laf

 

[kleinbus]

Ram "Guts and Glory" until hit something or rollover and then it will literally be guts all around...

 

[rashwor]

My wife rolled her 2000 Ram 1500 without a scratch on her... couldn't say the same for the truck. Seen another 2001 Ram 2500 T-boned by a loaded semi; everybody walked away with minor bruises. I will stick with wearing my seatbelts in my Rams.

 

[Ram4Sam]

Anyone else see this? Thoughts? They said Dodge tested the worst in the off set crash.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016...ing-in-new-insurance-crash-tests/?intcmp=hpff

I always use plan "A" for surviving a crash.

Plan "A" = DO NOT crash. :-laf

And if plan "A" fails......

Plan "B"......have a big, full sized pick up around you, with a 1000 lb. battering "ram" under the hood, to lead the way......

Sam

 

[Newsa]

Guessing the tested both RAM 1500's

 

[Bruce Beard]

Guessing the tested both RAM 1500's

My understanding is that they (The 1500's and the 2500/3500's) all have essentially the same body... No?
Not sure that I'm thrilled to learn that my one month old truck didn't do so well in these tests but on the other hand I'm not sure how much it really matters... Are the Fords simply engineered to perform well in these tests or are they actually that good? I guess all of those years of Ford owning Volvo actually paid dividends.
Bruce
Bruce

 

[K9Kodi]

Here's how I understand it, When I'm training dogs for certification in a certain given time period, a lot of people will decide to train for the test and then after receiving their cert we have unlimited time to fine tune and bring in other tasks and skills.

When there is known knowledge on what the crash test entails, certain speeds, weights and angles, it's easy to build a specific part of the body to look good while being tested. Now yes, loads must be transferred and other parts must be solid as well, but I take crash tests with a grain of salt. I'm not saying ram is just as good, or ford is overall better, I still feel just as safe In my ram as I do any of the big three. The most important factor is the consistency to wear your seatbelt. It doesn't really matter the safety rating of the body of the truck if your getting chucked out the windshield or tossed around like a rag doll.

In my line of work I've seen seatbelts kill and I've seen em save lives, I've seen em save lives/injury way more then kill. It's something I def need to do more.

 

[jhenderson]

I've been on our Vol fire dept for 30 years. If you watch the test it's not direct head on, it's offset. Just like a majority of two lane opposite direction accidents. The doorpost and firewall impinged on the footwell. Just like real life accidents. Most of the " Jaws" work we do in this type of accident is to free people's feet and lower legs by pulling the door post forward and pushing the lower dash ahead. Keeping the cab in good shape while designing crumple zones to dissipate energy must be very difficult with a heavy duty pickup due to the frame strength. The frame doesn't absorb the energy so it gets transferred to the body and firewall which folds back towards the passenger compartment.

 

[Newsa]

In a collision the lighter vehicle looses because it changes direction. The aluminum ford will loose against every full sized truck. The occupant will experience a complete change in direction causing concussion and likely spinal stress.

 

[jhenderson]

I've seen too many dead folks in big vehicles to fall for that drivel

 

[Bruce Beard]

I think the reality is that if you drive into anything at 40 mph, in any vehicle it's going to hurt at best!
There is a lot of energy to dissipate at that speed...
Speaking of speed, I know this sounds like a rationalization but I simply do not drive any truck as fast as I drove previous cars. I tend to sit up and drive and relax... I know the truck can't maneuver like a MINI but the things I used to do in that MINI...
I wonder if this makes me less likely to have an accident?
Bruce

 

[Regcabguy]

Dodge and the rest need to copy or improve further on Ford's design. It's not rocket science.

 

[Jonsnow]

If I'm going to be in a accident I would rather be in a 8000 lb soup can than a 4000 lb beer can.

 

[K9Kodi]

Yea but what weighs more, 8000 pounds of soup cans or 8000 pounds of beer cans.

 

[Newsa]

If I'm going to be in a accident I would rather be in a 8000 lb soup can than a 4000 lb beer can.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/413018/laws-of-physics-persist-in-crashes-big-cars-win/


Some drivel from some of the foremost minds in physics

 

[sag2]

I just don't understand these tests. If the insurance institute wants the vehicles crashed in a way that is different than the federal standard, why don't they spend their time lobbying to have the law changed. All of these vehicles meet the standard in place at the time of manufacture. To me it is using scare tactics to confuse the public. I bet 95% of the driving public has no idea that this test far exceeds any impact that the federal standard was written for.

 

[jhenderson]

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/413018/laws-of-physics-persist-in-crashes-big-cars-win/


Some drivel from some of the foremost minds in physics

There are many ways to wreck you car and kill yourself. At least 1/2 of the wrecks I go to are single vehicle. I didn't see anything about kinetic energy in there. The lighter the vehicle the less energy imparted in the crash. It's all about disapating the energy before it reaches the passenger compartment. Look up the safest vehicles and tell us if they're just the heaviest or maybe the best engineered. Air bags ( particularly side impact) have turned very serious crashes into one where when we get on scene the people are out walking around. That's good, but much like wounded soldiers coming home, the ones with very bad injuries ( lower extremities pinned behind pedals or by crushed firewall and foot wells ) present long term rehab and often permanent disabilities. That's what that video illustrates. Argue all you want, your eyes aren't lying.

 

[TCDiesel]

I just don't understand these tests. If the insurance institute wants the vehicles crashed in a way that is different than the federal standard, why don't they spend their time lobbying to have the law changed. All of these vehicles meet the standard in place at the time of manufacture. To me it is using scare tactics to confuse the public. I bet 95% of the driving public has no idea that this test far exceeds any impact that the federal standard was written for.

X2......I what like to add to charged $$$ the public not confuse them......

How about supporting to drive safe to avoid any contact.... the stupid worthless commercials insurance companies are using incite its OK to have crashes, Accident forgiveness, ITS A CRASH, and if the participants would practice awareness in most cases it would have been avoided. Don't buy into the safest vehicle trash, the safest vehicle is the one that avoids the crash, Teach your family and friends to be aware at ALL times and what action to take if the need arises.

 

[Newsa]

I'm not concerned about single vehicle crashes. Just the ones where the drivers are sleeping, on their phones or running stop lights. Those are the only ones that i have been in. Survival of the fittest means get an HD truck frame to protect against stupidity

 

[Eagle6.7L]

Ford's design in the 2015/2016 F150 CrewCab was the installation of the tire blocker,this was not installed on 2015 REG/EXTCAB F150.Ram was allow not to be tested because of the 2016 IIHS critiera back in 2015 meaning they were changing the offset impact,RAM engineering under my understanding change some of the structure on trucks built after July 2015,to improved the new parital offset crash test for IIHS.In the 2016 IIHS crash test it shows clearly the tire collasping the firewall and pushing up against the lower part of the legs hence trapping the driver,this could lead to lost of life if their were a fire and no rescue on scene,unless others were able to pull the driver to safety.I feel that FCA simply can not give a blanket statement saying ""all our cars and trucks,suv meet Federal/State guidelines".This does not help insure consumer confidence in RAM products they must do more by starting a campaign to show/prove with there internal documents and internal crash test videos proving be on a doubt that the RAM 1500 is a very safe truck,but with a IIHS rating of poor on structual,and marginal on roof, I find they have a up hill battle.This RAM 1500 1/2 TON either in a CREW or Quad structurally is not sound "Marginal" on OVERALL,and "POOR" on structure and safety cage on a 2015/2016 built after the design changes with into effect on the warren line,is bad,some were RAM engineering really needs to come forward on this because it reflects a lack of sound engineering,or being pressure to just get by untill the next generation RAM 1500 appears for testing.Mr.Manley who now heads up RAM,as well as Jeep,appears to be a sitting duck...