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Now that us Ca residents will soon be required to smog our trucks, after market turbos are a nig NO NO.



So, . . . does anyone have experience with PDR's modified stock 03-04 turbos?



Does it look factory from the outside?



Does it need more fueling to prevent smoke?



Is it a street-able, tow-able turbo?
 
I had one that they modified back in 05 or 06. I absolutely could not tow in overdrive while pulling my 7000 lb travel trailer. The damn turbo barked like crazy in overdrive. I ended up with an industrial injection turbo that works much better.



I still have the turbo and I'll probably have to put it back on.



I would steer away from the PDR modified turbo if you intend to tow.
 
Towing was my concern. We have a 36' heavy fifth wheel.
 
Ok. Didn't know that.



Can the 04. 5 Turbo be modified?
 
Unless you are wanting over 500 HP your stock turbo will work fine. At 400-450 HP they work great and thats only a mild tune. Should handle your TT fine.
 
I believe the 03 and 04 modded turbo was a different compressor and stock turbine. The 600 engines have basically the same turbine but better compressor than the 03-04. I think the teeny tinny turbine is the big problem with the stocker and I wouldn't put much more that stock hp to it, certainly not 500hp. That would be some awful high drive pressures. I feel for you guys in commie-fornia
 
Yeah the modded '03 turbo put on a bigger commpressor. The stock '04. 5 and up have a bigger compressor and bigger turbine. That is why I did the swap on my '03. Unless over 450hp the stocker should be fine. I am only at full boost (35psi) only towing up hills for the most part so that is a small % of the time. If you want more power Jhawes try a Smarty Jr or a set of injectors. I can set my Jr to no smoke or probably even less smoke than stock. I run the perf tune on my '03 with no smoke and the stock clutch is holding up too.
 
Just as a point of information, the '04. 5 and later turbo has a smaller turbine than the '03-04, 64. 8 vs. 65. 4 mm. The exhaust housing dimensions are the same (both 9 sq. cm. ), with the exception of the wastegate opening which is larger, 20. 7 vs. 17. 75mm. The later turbo is an easier fit to a 600 manifold, but the 600 manifold may not be the best choice for a two-volute turbo, as it has an open plenum unlike the 555 manifold. The exhaust housing scroll width and diameter are also the same for both turbos.
 
rscurtis, I like to know the facts. I have seen it posted on a different thread that the 341 has a 58/58/9 and the 351 was a 60/60/9. You are saying that the 341 turbine is slightly larger and the wastegate is slightly smaller. My 351 is off of a '04. I also swapped the stock manifold out to the ATS manifold. How does it compare to the 600 manifold. Is the 555 maifold not a pulse manifold? I try and find the "correct" information on things, that can be difficult sometimes.



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Here's how I came up with that info- I installed a Super B on my '03, along with the BD manifold. Following some of your posts, a friend is tempted to do your modification, so I found a 351 on ebay, and compared it to the 341 from my '03. After a casual look, the two turbines look the same, but the digital caliper knows the difference. I didn't disassemble the compressor side because I didn't want to fool with that huge snap ring. The 351 also has three studs as opposed to two on the 341, and its flange is thicker, along with the flange on the 600 manifold. He was considering buying a new 600 manifold, but once I doscovered it is a single volute design, that would make it less desirable for a two-volute turbo like the Super B. I haven't taken any road trips with my '03 to verify any MPG improvement, but its driveability is very good, with maybe the tiniest bit of lag. Boost at 65 on a level road went from 6 PSI down to 2, with about a 50 deg. EGT increase after turbo. The only downside is you have to shorten the exhaust system about 1-1/2 inches, they don't tell you that in the instructions. Engine still gets plenty of air, as when I removed the exhaust elbow again to shorten the downpipe, the turbine wheel was soot free (almost bare steel) so I know it's not smoking any. IMO, the aftermarket manifold, whether BD or ATS, is a vast improvement over either stock mainfold. Also, the BD is a slip fit which makes installation easier than the ATS with its ball joint, and it is already drilled for pyro or drive pressure fittings.
 
Now am I correct about the Super B 57/65/14 gated. It is good to 45 psi where the stocker is spent at 30psi. I only had two studs on my 351 but I had to add some washers to bolt the turbo to the manifold and the flange was thinner. With my mods I am at 6psi at 65. I was closer to 9 before the ATS and Freespin. rs you don't have any fueling mods? You milage should go up a bit because of lower drive pressure. A fellow on here tried a super with his 6sp and his performance went down. I think the auto transmission does better with the bigger ex housing. I like my 351. the best part was the price. About $50 to do the swap. The other stuff I did got a bit pricey. Oh well. I hope your Super works good.
 
No fueling mods on this truck- it has enough juice for what I do with it and I didn't want to open that can of worms. The BD wastegate was set at 45PSI from the factory, I reset it to 26PSI like the stocker, but it won't go much lower than that. Interestingly enough, the 351 wastegate is also set at 26PSI, but is actuated as a function of turbo speed as opposed to pressure. I would have liked to look at an HTT, but couldn't find any dealer(s) who had one in stock. I sort of ruled out the ATS based on some comments here. If BD made an exhaust elbow to fit their turbo, instead of using a 3"x4" adapter, which is about 3/4" long, this would be a true bolt-in mod. Also, if you want to do this and you see an exhaust system in the not-too-distant future, now is the time to do it.
 
These are the specs that I got from Holset... The HE351 is a larger turbo.



HE351CW



Compressor Wheel

Inducer: 60mm

Exducer: 82mm



Turbine Wheel

Inducer: 68mm

Exducer: 60mm



Turbine Housing 9cm2



I can't find the specs on the HE341, but it works out to a 54/58/9.



I have seen a few guys selling a modified HE351, it works out to a 60/65/9. 5. It is supposed to have a EGT and drive pressure reduction over the stock HE351. This may be a good choice for CA trucks.



I have seen two guys talk about selling it. Brown's Diesel and Wide Open Performance.
 
Interestingly enough, the 351 wastegate is also set at 26PSI, but is actuated as a function of turbo speed as opposed to pressure.



Actually turbo speed has nothing to do with it. The ECM monitors for boost pressure and opens a solenoid that sends air to the WG that regulats boost in the ~28-32 psi range. It take the ambient pressure and manifold pressure to determine boost (one of the reasons a dirty air filter manifests with low boost pressure on a stock 04. 5-07).
 
I have the Piers modified turbo on my 2004 and tow a Sundowner LQ horse trailer 15000# at 4500 feet elevation and up and it works great.
 
Here's how I came up with that info- I installed a Super B on my '03, along with the BD manifold. Following some of your posts, a friend is tempted to do your modification, so I found a 351 on ebay, and compared it to the 341 from my '03. After a casual look, the two turbines look the same, but the digital caliper knows the difference. I didn't disassemble the compressor side because I didn't want to fool with that huge snap ring. The 351 also has three studs as opposed to two on the 341, and its flange is thicker, along with the flange on the 600 manifold.



Sounds like a HE351VGT not a HE351CW.
 
These are the specs that I got from Holset... The HE351 is a larger turbo.

HE351CW

Compressor Wheel
Inducer: 60mm
Exducer: 82mm

Turbine Wheel
Inducer: 68mm
Exducer: 60mm

Turbine Housing 9cm2

I can't find the specs on the HE341, but it works out to a 54/58/9.

I have seen a few guys selling a modified HE351, it works out to a 60/65/9. 5. It is supposed to have a EGT and drive pressure reduction over the stock HE351. This may be a good choice for CA trucks.

I have seen two guys talk about selling it. Brown's Diesel and Wide Open Performance.

Are they using the HX35 turbine wheel? I believe the rest of the specs are right but, I just measured an HE351CW comp wheel and it has a 85 exducer?

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