PE comp injector pump wire

[CRegal]

Hey folks,



Wanted to know if anyone has tested the difference with the injector pump wire hooked up and unhooked. I currently have mine unhooked, & haven't had it hooked up yet. Reason being, I have to take the truck in to have the mirrors changed out & I did't want the lock left in on the pump wire.



So far the power is noticeably more, just turn the thing off and it is like letting off the pedal, but I am wondering how much more power i can expect once i hook it up. I currently have it set @ 5/5 & dont have a bit of smoke to talk about.



Also @ what setting will the PE comp start to actually need the pump wire intact?



Any feedback is always appreciated.



Cole

 

[Bob Wagner]

you betcha

hook up that wire and see a major HP increase

 

[CRegal]

REALLY? Boy if that is so..... LOOK OUT!!!!

 

[Partyat33]

Well, I would like to hear how it goes. I don't think on the ETH, which it appears you have, doesn't give all that much extra performance. Certainly not like it would on an ETC. Not bashing Edge here, that is pretty much true of all the fueling boxes as I understand it. Please one of you smart vendors, figure out how to make the ETH rock with a fueling box like an ETC does. I'll be first in line.

 

[CUMINNTSTRKN]

with my comp i gained 35 rwhp from setting 1 to 5. i've never dyno'd with the comp off. but next time i will. i have an eth.



jim

 

[CRegal]

that is a far cry from the claims. Now I realize the eth apparently doesn't bomb very well.

Jim did you have your pump wire connected? If I am not going to gain anything with the pump wire... . then i am not going to connect it.



35 hp..... yuk...



Is there sumthing that will make these eth's wake up with the fueling boxes? ie injectors... ?

 

[JMarkos]

CUMINNSTRKN, are you saying on step 1 you had lets say 300 hp and on step 5 you only had 335 hp? Hopefully this question isn't as dumb as it sounds.

 

[Bob Wagner]

35Hp increase with the pump wire attached?

I would have expected a heck of a lot more than that



Come on now is someone pulling our leg?

 

[Bigsaint]

Remember guys, the ETH and ETC VP44 are two different animals. The ETC will out perform a ETH with the same fueling mods. It has been proven here by members with both rigs and dyno runs.



With the HX40, 'Scotty air', step 3 injectors and an Edge EZ I turned 366 HP at the rear wheels on the dyno. I'm trying to surpass 400 HP and I believe that I did so with the addition of the 5's. If I turn the comp. box (TST) on level 2 or higher, there is a felt difference in performance. Some will say the fueling curves are what you feel. Whatever it is, I know that the turbo spools up considerably faster with the TST box on and the truck pulls harder.



If your looking for big numbers with the ETH, I would suggest stage 3 or larger injectors, an HX40, a good air system (your choice), a strong lift pump, an Edge EZ or equivalent, either modified banjo bolts or replace same with Aeroquip elbows and Weber adapters for better fuel flow and a good free flowing exhaust to help keep the egt's down. Oh yeah, better throw in a real strong clutch as well, the OEM is a POS.



That being said, how much do you really need in regards to HP and are you willing to pay the price of broken parts and repairs when something goes wrong and your warranty is void. I can tell you this, 366 HP is ALOT in a 4 ton truck, and what I have now has kept me more than satisfied for over 3 months with no end in sight. Of course, there is that NOS kit at A. W. D tapping me on the shoulder .



Scott W.

 

[CRegal]

Scott,



So you would recomend in my situation, to just go with the ez instead of the comp? I mean if not tapping into the pump wire will give me any more empff... then what good is the comp to an eth.



Eventually I want to be in the 400 hp range. I am going to go with bd 3's when i get around to replacing the clutch. I just didnt know the comp wouldnt give any more then the ez on the eth.



Now I kind of wish I would of bombed my 99, might of just kept it.

 

[Bigsaint]

If I was to do it again, I would go with the Edge comp. box. I had the Edge EZ and the TST before the Edge comp. was released. It makes for a neater package as the EZ capabilites are built into the Edge comp. and you can just bump it up if the EZ settings are not enough for you. If you are looking to break 400 HP, the Edge comp. and large injectors, coupled with a good turbo and air system should get you there. I like the TST box enough that I won't swap it out for the newest Edge product, but I honestly don't use the TST much as the Edge EZ and the large injectors are more than enough for me as a daily driver.



I don't know about the Edge wiring harness, but the TST is somewhat cumbersome to snake through the firewall, hence my reluctance to remove same.



I started out with just the EZ box. Really woke up the sleeping giant in the ETH. If you go with the Edge Comp, you could run with the EZ setting until you get a new clutch, then bump it up for fun. You could do the same with the TST, but you still you not having the same timing advance that the Edge will provide. Hope this helps !!!



Scott W.

 

[CRegal]

Thanks for your feedback Scott.



Does anyone have any feedback on pump wire lead? If anyone has an ETH and the comp w/ the wire hooked up... could they do a lil test? un hook it by pulling out the quick connect and do a drive test difference on a couple of settings, then hook it back in and repeat.



Once I get my truck in & back out from the dealer, I will plan on doing this test myself. I just didnt want to hook into it if its going to result in no response to the vp44.



As always,



Thanks



Cole

 

[DAWG-1]

Comp on ETH ....

CRegal,

I was at Thunder in Spokane and saw Cumminntstrokin dyno 427hp and 496 w/propane.

I had a VanAakin then an EZ about equal in power. I went to the Comp box for adjustability and sub level enhancements. The Comp is a very smooth box. The power is incredible compared to the EZ. I added DD2s a couple of weeks back and WOW. I went from driving around on level 3 to level 1. The power is at your finger tips . Sam

 

[Mopar-muscle]

cregal , with the pump wire not connected you have absolutely no difference between level1/5 and 5/5 , level 2 and above adds post electronics fueling , without the pump wire you have no post electronics fueling which is where all the HP is hidden . i would believe even on an ETH you will see more than 35 hp increase . 35hp is probably the total increase you have without the pump wire connected .



be prepared for a good set of the pants increase with the pump wire on .



scott , i finally broke the 400 hp ceiling , 409. 6 , i feel thats still a little lower than my actual , but not by much , i need a turbo to unlock the beast within ...

 

[Bigsaint]

Mopar (John) , awesome numbers !!! Wish I could have been there, someday.....



What are you going to try next inregards to a turbo, or should I say turbos ? So far, my HX40 is holding up real well. I know you had a bad experience with the majestic tuned HX40, gonna try another or maybe Piers set up. Or KwikKurts ?



Scott W.

 

[Todd T]

not to be knocking you here Big Saint, but with my ETC with 4"exhaust, "scotty" air and the regular PM3 on level 8, it punched out in four runs in a row 310HP and 675ftlbs. no other mods.



I have not been on the Dyno since the addition of the step 4's from Bully Dog. since it would be a futile effort with a slipping clutch.



what i am trying to do is give the example of a ETC to an ETH. not rub anyone's nose anywhere, I have a great respect for Big Saint and have been chasing his tail for some time.



BTW: step 4's are rated @ 120HP

 

[MCummings]

I have a 98. 5 and just put a comp box on my truck.

I went the Fully-Voided warrenty route and pierced the wire.

I am running a 3 month old injector pump,, I figure all is well.



This box has to be the best thing on my truck,,

With my ETC the difference between the box "off" and level 5 is HUGE. If you change levels from 1 through 5 while @ WOT it feels like you are downshifting through gears,, the power just keeps coming up and up.



I guess this info doesn't really help anybody,, I'm just purty darn excited with my new found power.





MerrickNJr

 

[Bigsaint]

Todd, once you get back on the dyno with those step 4's, your face should go from this to this .



Just for the halibut, I was playing with the TST box while under steady throttle today, while climbing a slight grade. Started off with the TST on 0, here's what I felt... .



level 1, no change in felt power.

level 2, slight change.

level 3, definate change.

level 4, about the same as level 3, slightly more power.

level 5, comfort zone, pulling hard now

level 6, , big increase in power, get the slight 'shutter' when I let off the go pedal fast.



Then I tripled tapped the remote ( I swear, it was by accident)

level 9, shutter, shutter, back down to level 2 . Anything above level 6 for me is just too radical. The shutter that I get when I let off the go pedal fast just don't feel like it's good for the life of the pump. I tried, you can ease into the throttle in levels 7-9 with out much shutter, but it's ultra sensitive in my truck and I prefer levels 2-5 as it is non-existent there. Level 9 feels like I have a lit rocket in the bed, pushing my truck.



Scott W.

 

[KWIKKURT]

Partyat33,



I don't agree. My ETH with 275's,K&N and a PE comp box Dynoed at 360 hp. Then I Bombed the lift pump, added DD3's and a Kwikspool Turbo and my truck ROCKS!!! We will get it Dynoed at Tulare Ca event to see what it is puttin to the Ground.

Originally posted by Todd T

not to be knocking you here Big Saint, but with my ETC with 4"exhaust, "scotty" air and the regular PM3 on level 8, it punched out in four runs in a row 310HP and 675ftlbs. no other mods.

Todd I am confused I thought you had a Copy of the Physcotty airinduction?l Did you change over to the real thing???

 

[TxDieselKid]

Well heres my story...

I have an ETC auto. I have a PE COMP box . I HAVE NOT attached the fuel pump wire. IT RUNS GREAT If I did not know that there was a way to put that other wire on there, I wouldn't care because it is such an improvement.



I WANT the super hot COMP box, but don't know how to get one. My Comp is brand new, not even a week old yet, but I know that I will want more when I connect that last wire after the DTT upgrade. I don't (CAN'T) want to spend more.



Any ideas???