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[TFucili]

Yes and this too!!
https://roughandtumble.org/

Never knew about that. When we were selling pre-built sheds, they were manufactured in Kinzers, right on Rt. 30.

 

[TFucili]

I think the name was Gast. that’s long gone. They had the first and last MG’s in the US as well.

Figures, last time I was there we were in Lancaster for John Deere regional service update training. Thar's a loooong time ago.

BTW, the hot topic was throttle body EFI on the water-cooled V-Twin Kawasaki in the 285 garden tractor.

 

[Wayne M.]

Never knew about that. When we were selling pre-built sheds, they were manufactured in Kinzers, right on Rt. 30.

There’s a few shed and modular home places down that way.
This will get you to sit up! The big show in August.

 

[jgillott]

Figures, last time I was there we were in Lancaster for John Deere regional service update training. Thar's a loooong time ago.

BTW, the hot topic was throttle body EFI on the water-cooled V-Twin Kawasaki in the 285 garden tractor.

Didn't they stop making the 285 in something like 1991 or 1992? You really are dating yourself.

 

[TFucili]

Didn't they stop making the 285 in something like 1991 or 1992? You really are dating yourself.

Ummmmmmmmm...

 

[jhenderson]

The part of the refinery that grenaded was an alkylate plant which makes octane boosters for gasoline. There was part of the refinery that makes low sulfur diesel (not ULSD) and heating oil. So gas might start creeping but shouldn't affect ULSD prices.

The last Low Sulfur Diesel was produced in 2014.

 

[JR]

Sure, for us at least. Lots of low sulfur fuel still used around the world including marine (shipping) use. The plant is extremely old and never upgraded to ULSD refining. Part of the reason for deciding to shut it down rather than repair.

The facility also produces low-sulfur diesel fuel, jet fuel, kerosene, butane, propane and home heating oil.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilpri...y-Explosion-To-Boost-Gasoline-Prices.amp.html

 

[jhenderson]

Do you really think the person who wrote that report knows the difference between ULSD and LSD ?

 

[BIGNASTY]

Don't know for sure about the rest of the world really don't have the time at the moment to research it but in Commiefornia the Ocean Ships must use ULSD within (I think) 200 miles from shore. As a driver I remember taking waste oil by the truck loads to the port of Los Angeles pumping it directly on board ships or in storage tanks so when they passed the 200 mile mark they would burn waste oil as fuel

https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyPDF.cgi/P100AU0I.PDF?Dockey=P100AU0I.PDF

 

[BIGNASTY]

Do you really think the person who wrote that report knows the difference between ULSD and LSD ?

EXACTLY!!!! Everybody knows Everything about what goes on in the Petroleum Industry JUST ASK THEM. I Would guess that theres deals & procedures that happen that if known would be a prosacutible crime.


LIKE MY PAYCHECK AMOUNT, I MAY BE EASY BUT IM NOT CHEAP HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

 

[jhenderson]

At the moment, China, Russia ,India, and Brazil are the only countries listed that still allow LSD. None of these countries would appear to need to purchase fuel from us.

 

[JR]

Say what you want, it's still refined here.
From their website, if it matters at all.

The refining complex produces a wide range of fuels for markets in the northeastern United States. Among our various products are gasoline, low-sulfur diesel, jet fuel, kerosene, butane, propane, home heating oil and the petrochemical cumene. We utilize ethanol and biodiesel as important components of our products.

https://pes-companies.com/refining-complex/


People also assume all heating oil is ULSD but it's not. MOST of it is simply because it's getting more and more difficult to get ahold of LSD, not to mention storage and handling of two separate fuels. Pretty sure it varies by state. Ohio still allows LSD for heating oil.


http://www.ohiooilheatcouncil.org/oilheat/clean

 

[BIGNASTY]

I don't doubt that just about any product can be had at various places, I was amazed that in IN, 100+ octane LEADED GASOLINE can be bought at many gas stations. Theses VERY LITTLE difference in the diesel distillates #1 & 2 diesel, Jet, Kerosene, HHO

RELATED PRODUCTS

Some petroleum products have similar, but not identical, physical properties and specifications. For example, No. 2 fuel oil and No. 2-GT gas turbine fuel oil are similar to No. 2-D diesel fuel. No. 1-GT gas turbine fuel oil, Jet A aviation turbine fuel, and kerosene, the product specifically sold for use in lamps and stoves, are similar to
No. 1-D diesel fuel.5 See the Appendix for the ASTM International specifications for these products.

The specifications for each product are developed to ensure that it is suitable for its intended use. The fuel properties needed to keep a lamp burning are not nearly as stringent as those required to keep a jet aircraft aloft. Products with similar physical properties should not be used interchangeably without a complete understanding of the requirements of their intended use.

THIS POSTING WASN'T INTENDED TO START A BATTLE ROYAL JUST A LITTLE WARNING

 

[JR]

On topic of prices, I drove past my local watering hole and was surprised to see diesel less than 87 octane. 2.69 for 87, 2.67 for diesel. Can't remember the last time that happened. Diesel generally carries a .15-.30 premium over regular around here.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I think the last time I bought DSL I paid $2.4? something lot cheaper than other places & I've always admired the cleanliness of Costco's fuel tanks. Kroger market is another place at least in IN that keeps things clean around & in the tank fills.

 

[jhenderson]

Well, the first reference doesn’t list a publishing date and any attempt to research the actual products refined there was a dead end. Merely a corporate boilerplate statement of production. I will note they don’t say anything about ULSD. You’d think any refinery that made diesel would surely make the federally mandated version in addition to what amounts to boutique fuel. Your second link was more informative. When I clicked on low sulphur heating oil it took me to a white paper written in 2003. No other info available. Hardly recent reference. Especially since USLD has been federally mandated for everything since 2014. That includes maritime and railroad including the state of Alaska, which were the last holdouts. An interesting note is that 6 Northeast states mandated ultra low sulphur home heating oil beginning in 2018. I was unaware that anything else was legal, let alone economically produced considering that demand is a drop in the bucket compared to 50 State ULSD mandates. Those holdouts got by me. Maybe the fire did the company’s favor if they were attempting to get by on Low Sulphur Diesel.
None of which has any real impact on the original topic. Our diesel right now is about $3.03 a gallon. It’s been as low as $2.96 recently. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes from here. Summers usually a time for steady prices. It’s not til winter approaches that diesel takes a jump due to our preference for oil heat.
No battle as far as I’m concerned. Hope jr doesn’t take itthat way. Just a very good exchange of info.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I don't really pay attention to Fuel Usage Histories (Until VERY recently) I've always thought that fuel prices would rise with the vacations and such during the summer. It amazed me that in Commiefornia the price would fluctuate with the change from Summer to Winter blends & back again???????????? REALLY IN COMMIEFORNIA??? HA HA HA just another way to gouge the public

I also thought that ULSD had been mandated for some time!! again I never really gave it much notice. Living in one of the BIG Soybean states I'm going to fire up my Home BIO manufacturing rig again and see if I can get things like my generator, truck and my latest Farmall MD Tractor switched over to use 100% BIO Clean non used Soybean oil is pretty cheap.

 

[JR]

The bottom of the 2nd link is dated 2019. Up until 3 years ago I heated with oil when it got too cold for my heat pump, which is a good part of the winter here. My go to fueling station which primarily serves Ag and commercial trucks had two fuel stations, one on each end of the county. The one nearer to me (it was actually located in Andover) was the much older of the two facilities with above ground storage tanks. They sold LSD and the facility on the north end of the county sold ULSD. When I would call for a load I had to specify what I wanted. My furnace was newer and didn't burn the heavier fuel very well so I ran the ULS fuel despite it being.30-.40 cents more. The south county facility with the above ground tanks closed up 3-4 years ago because their tanks wouldn't pass inspection any longer and they consolidated everything at the north county facility and only sold ULSD for heating oil from then on. I don't know of anywhere else in this county that sells it but have a friend right over the state line in PA still uses it in his old oil fired boiler. This is how I know, at least until recently, LSD was still available for heating oil. As you noted alot can change in a few years so when I did a search for Ohio I came across this.

https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/northeast-cleans-heating-oil

So it does look like it is slowly being phased out but it was not as cut and dry as the changeover for motor vehicle fuels. I would guess Philly probably produced much of the heating oil for the NE up until recently.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Kind of weird the Gel point isn't equal across the board with Old DSL, LSD, ULSD at the rack depending on the temp there is a mix like, 80% #2 & 20% #1 theres several different variations depending on Temp & customer spec's 90/10, 70/30 & others down to what? I'm not sure. ALL BIO additive is suspended when this mix occurs BIO doesn't do well in cold temps and at least in the quanities at loading racks is cost prohibitive to add anti gel to make BIO useable. Probably why one type of DSL either LSD or ULSD didn't work well in your home heater.

https://enertechlabs.com/ultra-low-sulfur-diesel-fuel-cold-weather-information/

 

[jhenderson]

That’s why people around New England puts their oil tanks in the cellar.