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Just got them on...



You can tell in the first mile that these are E rated and not crappy D rated like the nittos that came off. They feel real nice and handle good so far.



The only issue I have is that they look a little too wimpy - I mean they just dont have that aggressive look of some "A/T" tires I have seen.



Funny how they look right in place though - they measure a true 34inches tall with 60lbs in them. I cant imagine a 265 tire on this truck, yuck!!!



pics for ya:
 
I got that same wimpy looking feeling when I went from the 295/70/17 D nitto's to the 285/70/17 E nittos. the 295's fill things out just right on the 17" rim, however the 285 in an E just support the truck 10 times better.



Function over looks anytime in my book, typically... .
 
You guys are really drinkin the kool-aid on this D vs E range tire thing aren't you:-laf



haha, Not only drinking - I'm mixing in some vodka and guzzling it down!

There will never be a load D tire on my truck again... EVER!!!!



Jason -- THe other choice was the now-available 305 series nitto that is "E" rated. I was going to go with that, but the toyos get such good reviews I had to try them... (and were cheaper than the 305 nittos)
 
Thanks for the pics Tom.

I am still looking for someone who has done a side by side comparison of this 285/75 Toyo against the 315 BFG, size wise. I am very tempted to go for the narrower Toyos next time, but I don't want to lose much in the way of diameter, and the BFG has been outstanding for me. But I know there are variances between manufacturers and the tires actual size versus its listed size.

Anyone?
 
The only thing that would make that truck any prettier is if Mrs. Gun was standing next to it!!!!!:-laf Looks good Tom.
 
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You guys are really drinkin the kool-aid on this D vs E range tire thing aren't you:-laf
I'm one of the drunkards I guess. Experienced a blowout on my '99@65mph w/Bridgestone 285-75-16's. They had a 3305# rating,LOAD RANGE D,and had 30,000 miles on them. $3300 damage in maybe 15 sec. Hiccup!!:{
 
There is a LARGE difference between the side wall stability of a D vs E range tires.



They rate them for a reason and anyone who thinks they are the same and relies on # ratings obviously has never pushed a set of tires.
 
tomey,



how's the 2wd traction with the new ones? I"m assuming your getting alot of tire spin on a rolling WOT run. I've noticed my 285 E's don't leave as much rubber on the ground.
 
There is a LARGE difference between the side wall stability of a D vs E range tires.

They rate them for a reason and anyone who thinks they are the same and relies on # ratings obviously has never pushed a set of tires.

Funny, I have a pile of scale tickets in the 24-25k lb range. I hauled those loads cross country a bunch of times on D tires. I did it in the winter, I did it in the summer, I did it through the mountains and across the plains, well over 200k miles worth. I ran D's on a truck used commercially where the trailer was 8k empty, 16k loaded, day in and day out right along side a dually wearing 4 E's across the back. Other than the exta wieght the dually could carry, I never personally felt any instability nor did any of my professional drivers. Do YOU have this much experience with them? Just asking of course;) I'm pretty darn sure I have pushed them.
 
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how's the 2wd traction with the new ones? I"m assuming your getting alot of tire spin on a rolling WOT run. I've noticed my 285 E's don't leave as much rubber on the ground.





I have not tried them yet in the traction department... I will tomorrow (the ol 3rd gear dump)



I suspect that with less width that they will be easier to spin... BUT if there is wieght in them, then the pounds per sq inch will be more with the smaller foot print.



I did notice tonight a little less rolling resistence, I have the front 70 psi, and the back 60psi... (just to start, not for ever ;))
 
Funny, I have a pile of scale tickets in the 24-25k lb range. I hauled those loads cross country a bunch of times on D tires. I did it in the winter, I did it in the summer, I did it through the mountains and across the plains, well over 200k miles worth. I ran D's on a truck used commercially where the trailer was 8k empty, 16k loaded, day in and day out right along side a dually wearing 4 E's across the back. Other than the exta wieght the dually could carry, I never personally felt any instability nor did any of my professional drivers. Do YOU have this much experience with them? Just asking of course;) I'm pretty darn sure I have pushed them.



Whats funny is my tire guy (good friend for 10++ years) made fun of me for requesting "E" rated tires - He said it was all the same, more marketing than anything...



Thats OK, I'll go with the "E" because I'd rather have the piece of mind
 
Couldn't be the cheap off brands like Toyo and Nitto, must be the letter rating:-laf



Whatever guys, buy what you want. I just get a kick out of the whole thing. There is a lot of preaching without a lot of real experience in a lot of cases. I'm very happy with my properly load rated D range tires. :) I'm gonna hang around and wait for someone to tell me how having 10 plies is better than having 8 plies next. Of course, no modern tire for a light truck has anywhere near that many anymore but it sure is funny to read a post from someone who believes it. Or the more sidewall plies, or stiffer sidewalls, or... ... . :-{}
 
Funny, I have a pile of scale tickets in the 24-25k lb range. I hauled those loads cross country a bunch of times on D tires. I did it in the winter, I did it in the summer, I did it through the mountains and across the plains, well over 200k miles worth. I ran D's on a truck used commercially where the trailer was 8k empty, 16k loaded, day in and day out right along side a dually wearing 4 E's across the back. Other than the exta wieght the dually could carry, I never personally felt any instability nor did any of my professional drivers. Do YOU have this much experience with them? Just asking of course;) I'm pretty darn sure I have pushed them.



I don't think I've had more then 6000#'s behind my truck ever. About 1500# in the bed for 750 miles recently.



Then again I'm sure your not taking a right hand turn corner at 25mph-ish. Then again that's more of a controlled slide at times (depending on the road and approach angle).



How about them highway turns with the big yellow signs that say 50mph and rum them at near 100mph? If you think your sidewalls are stiff enough with D's, you'll think other wise after that.



How about WOT accelerating and near ABS checking in braking while on a turn?



Think road racing kinda stability.



Yeah, I know CTD != Corvette. But since I don't have one, I like to drive like I think I have one Oo.



My point is, if these tires can stand up to this, I'm sure they can handle a heavy load should I ever have to some day. Also the added comfort of a predictable tires is a huge plus in my book
 
I don't think I've had more then 6000#'s behind my truck ever. About 1500# in the bed for 750 miles recently.



Then again I'm sure your not taking a right hand turn corner at 25mph-ish. Then again that's more of a controlled slide at times (depending on the road and approach angle).



How about them highway turns with the big yellow signs that say 50mph and rum them at near 100mph? If you think your sidewalls are stiff enough with D's, you'll think other wise after that.



How about WOT accelerating and near ABS checking in braking while on a turn?



Think road racing kinda stability.



Yeah, I know CTD != Corvette. But since I don't have one, I like to drive like I think I have one Oo.



My point is, if these tires can stand up to this, I'm sure they can handle a heavy load should I ever have to some day. Also the added comfort of a predictable tires is a huge plus in my book



Yeah... . road racing stability in a 7000 lb truck. I guess your response says it all for me.



I have done quite a bit of real road course racing. I was just never fool enough to try in in a 4wd pick-up, especially on public roads.



Then somehow delinquent behavior in your truck qualifies you to judge tire load ratings? Bit of a stretch eh?
 
Yeah... . road racing stability in a 7000 lb truck. I guess your response says it all for me.



I have done quite a bit of real road course racing. I was just never fool enough to try in in a 4wd pick-up, especially on public roads.



Then somehow delinquent behavior in your truck qualifies you to judge tire load ratings? Bit of a stretch eh?



I can say that I have rolled the nittos while playing around a corner (60 psi in the front). I could never do that with the OEM michelins...



These truck handle pretty good IMO for the size, and fun to toss around because the long length with send you a telegraph if its going to come around on ya :-laf





Question Bholm: So what about load range "C" - why not use them, I notice they are less money - and some still high lbs in rating... just curious if the letter rating means nothing in general or if you say just the "E" vs "D" is the same...
 
Problem is, the C range tires DO NOT have the wieght carrying capacity. Take for example a stock size tire for our trucks, the 265/70-17 size. In a C load range the tire is rated for 2470 lbs per tire, the E that comes with the truck is rated for 3195 lbs per tire as is a 285/70-17 D rated tire. That would be a payload loss of 1450 lbs, pretty substantial. It would also put the front tires at risk because I think the front of a CTD is right around 4400 lbs, very close to the 4940 lb total capcity of a set of stock size C rated tires. A couple heavy set guys in the front seats could put you over! So, no, the letter still makes no difference to me but the load capacity just isn't there making C's a poor choice in my book.



You mention that the C rated tires are cheaper. Did I leave the impression somewhere that I buy these D rated tires because they are less expensive? That isn't the case. I have run several sets of BFG KO's and have a set of Wranglers for different reasons. I buy them for the severe snow rating they carry, the extra durability of a three ply sidewall and more aggressive AT tread, and I completely agree with your assesment that the bigger tires look much better on the truck. It just so happens that to get that combination of features in a comparable to stock load rating that I have ended up with D rated tires. To answer the question directly, NO, the letter means nothing to me. Like I have said a hundred (or more) times here, the wieght rating of the tire is the only number that matters.



I know that one time I shared my experience with two different brand, same size, same rating tires for my motorhome. I had Michelins on there, they had some dry rot and I had a trip planned. On short notice all I could get were Firestones, same size, same E rating. While changing the tires out I noticed a huge difference in the sidewall thickness. The Michelins where about twice as thick in the sidewall. I think the instability some may feel going D to E or vice versa has more to do with differences in tire brands and construction that the letter rating. These were some seriously flimsy E rated tires, even at full pressure I could feel the difference on the road. I'm not really trying to rip the Toyo's or Nitto's but maybe you NEED 80 psi to stiffen those up to the point where they are as stable as a better constructed BFG, GoodYear, or Michelin in a lesser letter catagory?



How about this concept. Load capacity is determined by the tires ability to dissapate heat. Too much heat and you have a tire failure right? Heat is generated by sidewall flex primarily, the more it squishes down as the tire goes around, the more heat generated. One way to lessen this flex is to increase tire pressure. So an E rated 265/70-17 tire is rated for 3195 lbs at 80 psi. The 285/70-17 tire is rated for 3195 lbs at 65 psi AND has a taller sidewall. It would seem to me that the E is actually the weaker of the two because it needs more pressure to carry the load right? Common sense tells me the 285 D tire must have stiffer sidewalls to carry the same load with less pressure right? Otherwise, if you guys are right about this, wouldn't the taller sidewall tire with less pressure in it have to be rated for a lighter load because of too much sidewall flex? Fact is, it is rated for exactly the same load. Do you really think the tire manufacturers would put that load number in lbs right on the sidewall if it wasn't true? Can you imagine the liability? There is no way you can convince me as a generality that D rated tires have weaker sidewalls than E rated tires. Look at the facts and mechanics of the whole thing, it just doesn't make sense. Your milage may vary but my experience also tells me there is no problem.



There is no reason to fear a quality D rated tire..... just put the kool-aid down and step away:p
 
Can someone tell me what happens when it rains and water enters those stacks like the ones Tommyegun has on his truck?



Obviously water collects at the lowest point. Pretty unlikely any damage to the truck or turbo will result because the turbo sits plenty high. Soot collects in the exhaust of a diesel though and when the water mixes with it you end up with some nasty black water. I'm not sure if there is enough exhaust velocity to blow the black nasty water out, I know there is on a semi truck with a 14 liter Cummins, been there done that. Or if the heat will just burn off the water without blowing the mess all over. If the black soot water does get blown out it is nasty messy stuff. Stained the heck out of a white colored truck of mine. Hard to remove, and it will leave marks if left on the paint too long.
 
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