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LOL Naaah I really meant monitor ... the square thing that seems to give off light and words ... sometimes great videos that consumes entirely too much of my time :-laf
I think to many time the monitor acts as a mirror. All the user sees in self and that 's all he knows.
And Tim, naugh, I didn't say a word.
And Tim, naugh, I didn't say a word.
Dl5treez
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Some see the glass half-full, to others it's half-empty.
Some see a cool truck. Others see a noisy smelly pollution machine.
Some see a thoughtfully, well written, knowledgable post. Others see a condescending lecture about how stupid they are & how much better the poster is than them.
Some see a brash, uncaring, thoughtless young jerk who just wants to cause conflict. Others see a young, immature, developing person who is excited about their new belief or discovery and hasn't had the life experiences necessary to develop patience and the ability to tactfully and respectfully present their opinions and ideas.
Some see moderators not doing enough to keep things in line. Others see moderators as ranting, power hungry dictators ready to squash anything and everything posted that doesn't fit with their control freak line of thinking.
I could go on, but really there's no reason to. There are many personalities in this world, and if one individual is not apologetic about the way they post, and blatantly refuses to acknowledge & accept the consequences, then they shouldn't be judgemental about how others, who feel the same blatant unapologetic way, post their comments. You can't cry about a fire getting out of control when you're waving a can of gas around smoking a cigarette, and you shouldn't whack a hornet's nest with stick & then cry about getting stung.
Many things are taken out of context--I'm just as guilty as anyone else--and people should really let things slide off sometimes.
Today's society is a "ME ME ME" society---and is well represented on internet message boards.
Some see a cool truck. Others see a noisy smelly pollution machine.
Some see a thoughtfully, well written, knowledgable post. Others see a condescending lecture about how stupid they are & how much better the poster is than them.
Some see a brash, uncaring, thoughtless young jerk who just wants to cause conflict. Others see a young, immature, developing person who is excited about their new belief or discovery and hasn't had the life experiences necessary to develop patience and the ability to tactfully and respectfully present their opinions and ideas.
Some see moderators not doing enough to keep things in line. Others see moderators as ranting, power hungry dictators ready to squash anything and everything posted that doesn't fit with their control freak line of thinking.
I could go on, but really there's no reason to. There are many personalities in this world, and if one individual is not apologetic about the way they post, and blatantly refuses to acknowledge & accept the consequences, then they shouldn't be judgemental about how others, who feel the same blatant unapologetic way, post their comments. You can't cry about a fire getting out of control when you're waving a can of gas around smoking a cigarette, and you shouldn't whack a hornet's nest with stick & then cry about getting stung.
Many things are taken out of context--I'm just as guilty as anyone else--and people should really let things slide off sometimes.
Today's society is a "ME ME ME" society---and is well represented on internet message boards.
Ain't that the truth. If a lot of folks ever got lose bowels, they would get in the side of the head. That seems to be where a bunch of um have their posterior located.
But when you're young and untested, why run thy mouth and sound like a fool, instead of knowing, through wisdom, you're right to start with?
. . Preston. .
But when you're young and untested, why run thy mouth and sound like a fool, instead of knowing, through wisdom, you're right to start with?
. . Preston. .
Guys, I thought - and it was my intention - to do the decent thing and say "Goodbye" before taking one of my leaves of absence - I *have* done this before when activity here was no longer as enjoyable as it should be.
Some in this thread think I should have just left quietly and not bring attention to myself - others figure I owe a detailed public explanation. At best, the answer lies somewhere in between. Sure, I'm sorry all the threads I've been involved in are not yet complete - but it's sorta hard to find a time when all are closed at the same time.
There are a few small reasons - the TDR magazine has shifted it's focus from 2nd generation trucks like mine to the newer stuff, and lost my interest in the process. I have 2 of my own websites I'm working on, and am involved in 3 other Dodge/Cummins websites.
www.cumminsforum.com
www.dodgedieseldatabase.com
www.nwbombers.com
BUT, the biggest reason?
Just look back up thru THIS thread for a clue! You will see the vast majority of posters are complimentary and wish me well - the smaller percentage range from outright insulting to just generally crude and distasteful - and *THOSE* are the guys I regularly have been forced to deal with in thread after thread as I attempt to keep on topic and provide helpful and informative material for this board.
Eventually, it gets to the point that it just isn't fun anymore, and simply isn't worth the effort!
Some will say member personalities just naturally vary, and we must put up with erratic and abusive behavior, or we're wimps and crybabies - if that's true, then so be it, but I have too many other available *enjoyable* truck related options to feel I must pay that price of admission to remain on the TDR, when my main focus and interest here is to provide detailed and helpful info to this board.
I can take, indeed I expect differences of opinions on SUBJECTS and ISSUES covered here - and I certainly know *I* am not perfect! But I totally reject the notion that subsequent insults and personal abuse must necessarily be an accepted part of those differences.
Yeah - I'll keep reading here - this IS the best Dodge/Cummins resource available today - and the vast majority here are great and knowledgeable guys, who conduct themselves with integrity, courtesy and honor - those have my thanks and my undying gratitude - too bad the few obnoxious ones have to spoil the mix!
And yeah, I'll probably return after my inner batteries get recharged - and hopefully can enjoy increasing that post count with a few more additions...
Until then, take care...
Some in this thread think I should have just left quietly and not bring attention to myself - others figure I owe a detailed public explanation. At best, the answer lies somewhere in between. Sure, I'm sorry all the threads I've been involved in are not yet complete - but it's sorta hard to find a time when all are closed at the same time.
There are a few small reasons - the TDR magazine has shifted it's focus from 2nd generation trucks like mine to the newer stuff, and lost my interest in the process. I have 2 of my own websites I'm working on, and am involved in 3 other Dodge/Cummins websites.
www.cumminsforum.com
www.dodgedieseldatabase.com
www.nwbombers.com
BUT, the biggest reason?
Just look back up thru THIS thread for a clue! You will see the vast majority of posters are complimentary and wish me well - the smaller percentage range from outright insulting to just generally crude and distasteful - and *THOSE* are the guys I regularly have been forced to deal with in thread after thread as I attempt to keep on topic and provide helpful and informative material for this board.
Eventually, it gets to the point that it just isn't fun anymore, and simply isn't worth the effort!
Some will say member personalities just naturally vary, and we must put up with erratic and abusive behavior, or we're wimps and crybabies - if that's true, then so be it, but I have too many other available *enjoyable* truck related options to feel I must pay that price of admission to remain on the TDR, when my main focus and interest here is to provide detailed and helpful info to this board.
I can take, indeed I expect differences of opinions on SUBJECTS and ISSUES covered here - and I certainly know *I* am not perfect! But I totally reject the notion that subsequent insults and personal abuse must necessarily be an accepted part of those differences.
Yeah - I'll keep reading here - this IS the best Dodge/Cummins resource available today - and the vast majority here are great and knowledgeable guys, who conduct themselves with integrity, courtesy and honor - those have my thanks and my undying gratitude - too bad the few obnoxious ones have to spoil the mix!
And yeah, I'll probably return after my inner batteries get recharged - and hopefully can enjoy increasing that post count with a few more additions...
Until then, take care...
Just like others pointed out, this is a big game for Gary. Just a ploy to draw attention.
Garry was the one to run off and cry, no one ran him off. Simply that more than one called him on his attitude, postaholic behavior, and the fact that he could never stay on topic. Anytime anyone called in on some lunacy he was posting he would always respond with the same sarcastic, petty attitude.
It's my opinion that Gary will never leave. He will just try and create some BIG "everyone is picking on me", collect some sympathy and then "come back" and start the same bull all over.
Garry was the one to run off and cry, no one ran him off. Simply that more than one called him on his attitude, postaholic behavior, and the fact that he could never stay on topic. Anytime anyone called in on some lunacy he was posting he would always respond with the same sarcastic, petty attitude.
It's my opinion that Gary will never leave. He will just try and create some BIG "everyone is picking on me", collect some sympathy and then "come back" and start the same bull all over.
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Yep - that pretty much proves why he started this thread. Left an open-ended post, waited a few days to see what people would say about him, and now he's back. It's like a soap opera - so predictable.
I want something more mysterious with plot twists. You can do better than this Gary...
I want something more mysterious with plot twists. You can do better than this Gary...
I can't believe this. Can't take it anymore. A bunch of (I assume) GROWN MEN doing all this B. M. W. (B*tch, Moan, Whine) If this is a ploy by Gary for attention, WHO CARES!!! If it bothers you, WHY TO YOU GIVE IT ATTENTION????? There is 70 posts on what a hero/ smuck Gary is..... Jeez alou, GET A LIFE!!! I've seen more replys of topics by people that haven't even read the whole question, give an answer totally unrelated to the question... MY opinion IS RIGHT!!!! YOUR AN IDIOT!! Blah, Blah, Blah..... Too bad there is so many RUDE people on this sight, there are others that are trying to learn and or help others. Well, I guess I wasted my $35. 00... . Some of you guys pay this just to stroke your own ego's? Sorry this is a rant and I sincerely apologize to those that display tact and common courtesy. Flame On!!!
OMG people! You got what you wanted, right? An explanation!!!
The smart thing that should have been done was to lock this thread after his post before all this crap started. This isn't no "war" forum! Who's the mod of this forum? This forum is starting to go downhill. :-{}
The smart thing that should have been done was to lock this thread after his post before all this crap started. This isn't no "war" forum! Who's the mod of this forum? This forum is starting to go downhill. :-{}
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Dl5treez
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TMaas,
The moderator of this forum technically is Steve St. Laurent, however we all work together as a team around here... ... he's most likely read the whole thread, as have I and probably many other moderators, and IMHO it doesn't need to be closed.
The fact is unless we the members make this thing go completely downhill, it is fine as is. We can all state our opinions/feelings and perhaps learn something about other people's opinions/feelings in the process.
We're all civlized adults---I sure hope anyways since the majority of members have a driver's license & drive 6,000 pounds trucks--maybe it's wishful thinking but why close a perfectly healthy debate?
*these are not necessarily the opinions of TDR admin, SSL, or other moderators... . these are my opinions which I own and take complete responsibility for. *
Dan-
The moderator of this forum technically is Steve St. Laurent, however we all work together as a team around here... ... he's most likely read the whole thread, as have I and probably many other moderators, and IMHO it doesn't need to be closed.
The fact is unless we the members make this thing go completely downhill, it is fine as is. We can all state our opinions/feelings and perhaps learn something about other people's opinions/feelings in the process.
We're all civlized adults---I sure hope anyways since the majority of members have a driver's license & drive 6,000 pounds trucks--maybe it's wishful thinking but why close a perfectly healthy debate?
*these are not necessarily the opinions of TDR admin, SSL, or other moderators... . these are my opinions which I own and take complete responsibility for. *
Dan-
Dl5treez
Super Moderator
So you're in the group who thinks we don't do enough I take it? 
Just kidding, but seriously please understand that there are consequences to whatever action we take.
By leaving it open there's the opportunity for members who can't maintain self control to turn the thread downhill from what was at first a relatively calm debate into something that needs to be locked down.
By closing it right away it shows we won't allow our valued, paying subscribers the opportunity to discuss a situation that affects all of them in one way or another.
It's our site--by our I mean us, the members--and we can make it what we want, and for the most part the reigns are held rather loose around here, and there are reasons for that. By a moderator locking down every topic that gets "heated" we lose one of the most important things that I feel this site has over some of the others that makes it one of the best on the 'net--the abililty for our membership to have discussions about topics that they outright don't have the chance to other places... . many of the original members have done left for other pastures--some are just burned out with diesel trucks, some are burned out by the internet, some learned everything they needed and lost the interest in coming here, etc. A situation such as this one here gives us all a chance to maybe understand another reason some of our members are leaving and what we can do as a group to perhaps change up a few things to keep it from occurring.
When a debate gets into the realm of "heated" many people on many message boards/forums are quick to call for moderators. Unfortunately this can lead to moderators feeling like they must become so proactive to squelch every thread that even has a chance at turning "heated" and pretty soon we'll be onto that other problem..... OVER-moderating.
This all being said, if Steve locks this down I guess I'll get to see what crow tastes like. :-laf
Just kidding, but seriously please understand that there are consequences to whatever action we take.
By leaving it open there's the opportunity for members who can't maintain self control to turn the thread downhill from what was at first a relatively calm debate into something that needs to be locked down.
By closing it right away it shows we won't allow our valued, paying subscribers the opportunity to discuss a situation that affects all of them in one way or another.
It's our site--by our I mean us, the members--and we can make it what we want, and for the most part the reigns are held rather loose around here, and there are reasons for that. By a moderator locking down every topic that gets "heated" we lose one of the most important things that I feel this site has over some of the others that makes it one of the best on the 'net--the abililty for our membership to have discussions about topics that they outright don't have the chance to other places... . many of the original members have done left for other pastures--some are just burned out with diesel trucks, some are burned out by the internet, some learned everything they needed and lost the interest in coming here, etc. A situation such as this one here gives us all a chance to maybe understand another reason some of our members are leaving and what we can do as a group to perhaps change up a few things to keep it from occurring.
When a debate gets into the realm of "heated" many people on many message boards/forums are quick to call for moderators. Unfortunately this can lead to moderators feeling like they must become so proactive to squelch every thread that even has a chance at turning "heated" and pretty soon we'll be onto that other problem..... OVER-moderating.
This all being said, if Steve locks this down I guess I'll get to see what crow tastes like. :-laf
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